Joni Posted November 16, 2017 Posted November 16, 2017 Hi guys, I did a refueling today (my first one with the Mirage) and I noticed that the flow rate was waaaaaay too high. Like 3000 kg in 40 secs. Is that how it refuels in real life? Latest 1.5 version. Thanks. Intel Core i5-8600k + Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO | Gigabyte GTX 1070 Aorus 8G | 32GB DDR4 Corsair Vengance LPX Black 3200MHz | Gigabyte Z370 Aorus Gaming 3 | WD Black SN750 NVMe 500GB | Samsung 850 EVO 250GB | WD Green 240GB | WD Caviar Black 1TB SATA 3 | WD Caviar Blue 500GB SATA 3 | EVGA 650 GQ 80+ Gold | Samsung CF391 Curved 32" | Corsair 400C | Steelseries Arctis 5 --- Razer Kraken X Lite | Logitech G305 | Redragon Dyaus 2 K509 | Xbox 360 | Saitek X-52 Pro | Thrustmaster TWCS | TrackIR 5
azm Posted November 16, 2017 Posted November 16, 2017 (edited) What kind of tanker did you refueling from? UPAZ-1 on Il-78 should give 900 liters per minute for "small" planes and 2200 lpm for "large" ones. M2000C looks like "small" one. Edited November 16, 2017 by azm
Joni Posted November 16, 2017 Author Posted November 16, 2017 Il78. Too fast i guess. But why? Intel Core i5-8600k + Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO | Gigabyte GTX 1070 Aorus 8G | 32GB DDR4 Corsair Vengance LPX Black 3200MHz | Gigabyte Z370 Aorus Gaming 3 | WD Black SN750 NVMe 500GB | Samsung 850 EVO 250GB | WD Green 240GB | WD Caviar Black 1TB SATA 3 | WD Caviar Blue 500GB SATA 3 | EVGA 650 GQ 80+ Gold | Samsung CF391 Curved 32" | Corsair 400C | Steelseries Arctis 5 --- Razer Kraken X Lite | Logitech G305 | Redragon Dyaus 2 K509 | Xbox 360 | Saitek X-52 Pro | Thrustmaster TWCS | TrackIR 5
Joni Posted November 16, 2017 Author Posted November 16, 2017 I checked with some friends and they also fill their tanks within 30 seconds. It looks like a bug, doesnt it? Intel Core i5-8600k + Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO | Gigabyte GTX 1070 Aorus 8G | 32GB DDR4 Corsair Vengance LPX Black 3200MHz | Gigabyte Z370 Aorus Gaming 3 | WD Black SN750 NVMe 500GB | Samsung 850 EVO 250GB | WD Green 240GB | WD Caviar Black 1TB SATA 3 | WD Caviar Blue 500GB SATA 3 | EVGA 650 GQ 80+ Gold | Samsung CF391 Curved 32" | Corsair 400C | Steelseries Arctis 5 --- Razer Kraken X Lite | Logitech G305 | Redragon Dyaus 2 K509 | Xbox 360 | Saitek X-52 Pro | Thrustmaster TWCS | TrackIR 5
Joni Posted November 16, 2017 Author Posted November 16, 2017 Anyone? Intel Core i5-8600k + Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO | Gigabyte GTX 1070 Aorus 8G | 32GB DDR4 Corsair Vengance LPX Black 3200MHz | Gigabyte Z370 Aorus Gaming 3 | WD Black SN750 NVMe 500GB | Samsung 850 EVO 250GB | WD Green 240GB | WD Caviar Black 1TB SATA 3 | WD Caviar Blue 500GB SATA 3 | EVGA 650 GQ 80+ Gold | Samsung CF391 Curved 32" | Corsair 400C | Steelseries Arctis 5 --- Razer Kraken X Lite | Logitech G305 | Redragon Dyaus 2 K509 | Xbox 360 | Saitek X-52 Pro | Thrustmaster TWCS | TrackIR 5
Sarge55 Posted November 17, 2017 Posted November 17, 2017 It could very well be... :music_whistling: but I doubt many will be happy to see it changed considering the difficulty some have with AAR. :cry: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] i7 10700K OC 5.1GHZ / 500GB SSD & 1TB M:2 & 4TB HDD / MSI Gaming MB / GTX 1080 / 32GB RAM / Win 10 / TrackIR 4 Pro / CH Pedals / TM Warthog
Pasquale1986 Posted November 17, 2017 Posted November 17, 2017 (edited) This source states that the KC-10 can deliver up to 4100L/min with Boom: http://www.airforce-technology.com/features/featurethe-worlds-best-aerial-refuelling-aircraft/ It doesn’t distinguish between smaller and bigger aircrafts, but at least gives some Numbers Edited November 17, 2017 by Pasquale1986 Main Module: AH-64D Personal Wishlist: HH-60G, F-117A, B-52H
RED Posted November 17, 2017 Posted November 17, 2017 The source says that drogue system from different aircrafts can do about 1000-2000 l per minute! 2000+ is doable with a boom.
Nooch Posted November 17, 2017 Posted November 17, 2017 With the Mirage we're talking about the drogue system. The boom is out of the equation. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Joni Posted November 17, 2017 Author Posted November 17, 2017 30 l per second is what im seeing in game. Omg Intel Core i5-8600k + Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO | Gigabyte GTX 1070 Aorus 8G | 32GB DDR4 Corsair Vengance LPX Black 3200MHz | Gigabyte Z370 Aorus Gaming 3 | WD Black SN750 NVMe 500GB | Samsung 850 EVO 250GB | WD Green 240GB | WD Caviar Black 1TB SATA 3 | WD Caviar Blue 500GB SATA 3 | EVGA 650 GQ 80+ Gold | Samsung CF391 Curved 32" | Corsair 400C | Steelseries Arctis 5 --- Razer Kraken X Lite | Logitech G305 | Redragon Dyaus 2 K509 | Xbox 360 | Saitek X-52 Pro | Thrustmaster TWCS | TrackIR 5
ThirtykayDEC Posted November 17, 2017 Posted November 17, 2017 The fuel flow rate for refueling the Mirage in air to air is 500 Kg per minute. so refueling in 40 sec is impossible IRL. Razbam should mind this and fix it.
Joni Posted November 17, 2017 Author Posted November 17, 2017 Is it a problem with the Mirage or dcs? Intel Core i5-8600k + Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO | Gigabyte GTX 1070 Aorus 8G | 32GB DDR4 Corsair Vengance LPX Black 3200MHz | Gigabyte Z370 Aorus Gaming 3 | WD Black SN750 NVMe 500GB | Samsung 850 EVO 250GB | WD Green 240GB | WD Caviar Black 1TB SATA 3 | WD Caviar Blue 500GB SATA 3 | EVGA 650 GQ 80+ Gold | Samsung CF391 Curved 32" | Corsair 400C | Steelseries Arctis 5 --- Razer Kraken X Lite | Logitech G305 | Redragon Dyaus 2 K509 | Xbox 360 | Saitek X-52 Pro | Thrustmaster TWCS | TrackIR 5
myHelljumper Posted November 17, 2017 Posted November 17, 2017 It may be worth starting a thread in the bug section so RB can take a look at it :). Helljumper - M2000C Guru Helljumper's Youtube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCK3rTjezLUxPbWHvJJ3W2fA
ThirtykayDEC Posted November 17, 2017 Posted November 17, 2017 I think the problem comes from the Mirage it self, but this bug is here since a long time, i would say when the module was release. also another bug i've noticed, the light "RVT VOL" on the fuel gauge should light up when you receive fuel from the tanker but it's not. but the list goes on and on...like the magic II symbology or iff light etc... But don't worry, 2 more weeks whoops i mean 3.
myHelljumper Posted November 17, 2017 Posted November 17, 2017 also another bug i've noticed, the light "RVT VOL" on the fuel gauge should light up when you receive fuel from the tanker but it's not. It might also need a bug report :). Helljumper - M2000C Guru Helljumper's Youtube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCK3rTjezLUxPbWHvJJ3W2fA
Azrayen Posted November 20, 2017 Posted November 20, 2017 Already on the list ;) Criterium isn't actually receiving fuel IIRC, but having the switch in one of the 2 refuel positions.
Knock-Knock Posted November 20, 2017 Posted November 20, 2017 Wow, 4180 Liters / min. Anybody know what that is in Bar (pressure)? 70 L/sec, thats a lot of pressure for those pipes. - Jack of many DCS modules, master of none. - Personal wishlist: F-15A, F-4S Phantom II, JAS 39A Gripen, SAAB 35 Draken, F-104 Starfighter, Panavia Tornado IDS. | Windows 11 | i5-12400 | 64Gb DDR4 | RTX 3080 | 2x M.2 | 27" 1440p | Rift CV1 | Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS | MFG Crosswind pedals |
unknown Posted December 8, 2017 Posted December 8, 2017 Fixed in 2.2, bring your coffee to the next AAR. :joystick: Modules: KA-50, A-10C, FC3, UH-1H, MI-8MTV2, CA, MIG-21bis, FW-190D9, Bf-109K4, F-86F, MIG-15bis, M-2000C, SA342 Gazelle, AJS-37 Viggen, F/A-18C, F-14, C-101, FW-190A8, F-16C, F-5E, JF-17, SC, Mi-24P Hind, AH-64D Apache, Mirage F1, F-4E Phantom II System: Win 11 Pro 64bit, Ryzen 3800X, 32gb RAM DDR4-3200, PowerColor Radeon RX 6900XT Red Devil ,1 x Samsung SSD 970 EVO Plus 2TB NVMe, 2 x Samsung SSD 2TB + 1TB SATA, MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals - VIRPIL T-50CM and VIRPIL MongoosT-50 Throttle - HP Reverg G2, using only the latest Open Beta, DCS settings
Guest Posted December 8, 2017 Posted December 8, 2017 Fixed in 2.2, bring your coffee to the next AAR. :joystick:Fixed?? Mmmm Enviado desde mi Moto Z Play mediante Tapatalk
Guest Posted December 8, 2017 Posted December 8, 2017 Fixed in 2.2, bring your coffee to the next AAR. :joystick: This was not fixed, I just refueled from a KC 130 and it pumps even faster than before! So worse rather than fixed :)
unknown Posted December 9, 2017 Posted December 9, 2017 This was not fixed, I just refueled from a KC 130 and it pumps even faster than before! So worse rather than fixed :) I tried this in DCS 2.2 open alpha with an IL-76 and instead of being full in less than a minute you can watch the fuel slowly(10kg per second?). Modules: KA-50, A-10C, FC3, UH-1H, MI-8MTV2, CA, MIG-21bis, FW-190D9, Bf-109K4, F-86F, MIG-15bis, M-2000C, SA342 Gazelle, AJS-37 Viggen, F/A-18C, F-14, C-101, FW-190A8, F-16C, F-5E, JF-17, SC, Mi-24P Hind, AH-64D Apache, Mirage F1, F-4E Phantom II System: Win 11 Pro 64bit, Ryzen 3800X, 32gb RAM DDR4-3200, PowerColor Radeon RX 6900XT Red Devil ,1 x Samsung SSD 970 EVO Plus 2TB NVMe, 2 x Samsung SSD 2TB + 1TB SATA, MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals - VIRPIL T-50CM and VIRPIL MongoosT-50 Throttle - HP Reverg G2, using only the latest Open Beta, DCS settings
jojo Posted December 9, 2017 Posted December 9, 2017 10 kg per second is insane. No, that's 10 x 60 = 600kg/min. The average is 500kg/ min, but the rate is higher when the tanks are empty, and lower when it's near full. At 500kg/ min it's 6 min to take 3000kg, so it's plenty enough time :music_whistling: Mirage fanatic ! I7-7700K/ MSI RTX3080/ RAM 64 Go/ SSD / TM Hornet stick-Virpil WarBRD + Virpil CM3 Throttle + MFG Crosswind + Reverb G2. Flickr gallery: https://www.flickr.com/gp/71068385@N02/728Hbi
Guest Posted December 9, 2017 Posted December 9, 2017 No, that's 10 x 60 = 600kg/min. The average is 500kg/ min, but the rate is higher when the tanks are empty, and lower when it's near full. At 500kg/ min it's 6 min to take 3000kg, so it's plenty enough time :music_whistling: Ok, but now is more 20 or 30 per second, so it is not fixed, which is the point here.
unknown Posted December 9, 2017 Posted December 9, 2017 Ok, but now is more 20 or 30 per second, so it is not fixed, which is the point here. I did a little more testing today, it seems i was wrong yesterday. 20 to 30kg per second looks more accurate, sorry all for my over excitement. :joystick: Modules: KA-50, A-10C, FC3, UH-1H, MI-8MTV2, CA, MIG-21bis, FW-190D9, Bf-109K4, F-86F, MIG-15bis, M-2000C, SA342 Gazelle, AJS-37 Viggen, F/A-18C, F-14, C-101, FW-190A8, F-16C, F-5E, JF-17, SC, Mi-24P Hind, AH-64D Apache, Mirage F1, F-4E Phantom II System: Win 11 Pro 64bit, Ryzen 3800X, 32gb RAM DDR4-3200, PowerColor Radeon RX 6900XT Red Devil ,1 x Samsung SSD 970 EVO Plus 2TB NVMe, 2 x Samsung SSD 2TB + 1TB SATA, MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals - VIRPIL T-50CM and VIRPIL MongoosT-50 Throttle - HP Reverg G2, using only the latest Open Beta, DCS settings
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