Yet another warthog slew upgrade

[Gruman]

A firmware update to make my force sensing upgrade better? Awesome

Will install tomorrow and test. Many thanks.

BTW: Do you still have a 3d model of the slew hat which fits on the Force Sensing model? I would like to replace my red hat with a new color. 

Edited September 14, 2022 by Gruman

[Deltaalphalima1]

4 hours ago, Gruman said:

A firmware update to make my force sensing upgrade better? Awesome

Will install tomorrow and test. Many thanks.

BTW: Do you still have a 3d model of the slew hat which fits on the Force Sensing model? I would like to replace my red hat with a new color. 

 

Sure - STL file is attached. If I remember correctly the holes are modelled slightly undersize so they can be drilled / tapped to the correct size, otherwise the 3D printing process usually doesn’t give a reliable enough tolerance. The bottom hole should be drilled to 2.3mm, and the side hole tapped to metric M3 thread.

I still have all the CAD so let me know if you need anything

462 Concave Hat v6.stl

[Gruman]

Many thanks.

And the updated of the firmware worked great. Feels a lot smoother and more responsive than before. Thanks a lot.

[Sideburns]

On 9/9/2022 at 11:16 AM, Deltaalphalima1 said:

Hello everyone!

Since we started making our slew upgrade, one thing that has come up several times is the limited axis update rate for the slew axis. It doesn’t update as quickly as the other throttle axes, which has meant that even after upgrading the physical slew the axis still doesn’t work as well as it could.

This was a limitation inside the throttle firmware, so couldn’t be changed by the slew upgrade directly. Other the last few months I have been working on reverse engineering the Warthog throttle firmware, so I could modify it to increase the slew axis speed.

I am pleased to announce our first custom Warthog throttle firmware version, which removes this limitation and runs the slew axis at full speed!

Delta_Sim_Fast_Slew_v100.tmf is released free of charge, and is compatible with all our slew upgrades, including the force sensor.

Please find the firmware file and install instructions attached for download.

You will need the Thrustmaster firmware update tool installed to do the update. This comes with the Thrustmaster Warthog driver package, so you probably have it installed already, or it can be downloaded from the Thrustmaster website.

 

This has been a lot of work, so I hope it will be useful to someone

Delta_Sim_Fast_Slew_v100.zip 6.61 kB · 180 downloads

Amazing work, and a great improvement. Thank you for your efforts. I have continually recommended your slew upgrade to other TM Warthog owners and will continue to do so.

[norbot]

Just installed the firmware update on my Warthog throttle with the force sensor. Works perfectly. Thanks for your work, Deltaalphalima1!

[scuba82]

The slew sensor upgrade seems to be too good/precise for the harriers IRMAV cursor .

There seems to be a bug where the IRMAV cursor won't move in vertical directions while there is no input on the horizontal axis at the same time. With the original TM slew sensor this behavior seems not to be that obvoiuse, since it's much harder to keep the horizontal axis still while moving the vertical one.

I've posted my discoveries in this thread Slewing problem with IRMV in Harrier and would highly appriciate if someoine could test it too and give a short feedback if the issue occures for you at all respectively if my workaround solves the issue.

[IR.Clutch]

Hey,

Could someone please explain briefly, how to make an upgrade? Do I need to buy this https://deltasimelectronics.com/products/thumbstick-slew-sensor-adapter

and firmware update?

[silverdevil]

8 minutes ago, IR Sky said:

Hey,

Could someone please explain briefly, how to make an upgrade? Do I need to buy this https://deltasimelectronics.com/products/thumbstick-slew-sensor-adapter

and firmware update?

yes. you need that part. the firmware upgrade is free and required.

[Gruman]

FIrmware Upgrade is NOT Required. Worked for years without it. But its neat and recommended.

After the assembly, all you need to do is recalibrate the axis in the official thrustmater calibration tool.

[IR.Clutch]

23 минуты назад, silverdevil сказал:

yes. you need that part. the firmware upgrade is free and required.

Thanks for the answers.  I'm thinking for the F-16, what functionality can be hooked on?

[silverdevil]

5 hours ago, IR Sky said:

Thanks for the answers.  I'm thinking for the F-16, what functionality can be hooked on?

Oops my bad. I did the firmware because I thought it was required.

I fly F-16 and it makes slewing a bit easier. 

Edited October 17, 2022 by silverdevil

[BuzzU]

I wonder if the new slew that comes on Warthogs need the firmware upgrade too? It seems to work ok for me.

[tomcat_driver]

2 minutes ago, BuzzU said:

I wonder if the new slew that comes on Warthogs need the firmware upgrade too? It seems to work ok for me.

New slew? Please clarify.

[BuzzU]

1 minute ago, tomcat_driver said:

New slew? Please clarify.

You can read about it here. Scroll down for a picture. I'm not sure when it started but mine is Serial # 167720.

 

[Deltaalphalima1]

6 minutes ago, BuzzU said:

You can read about it here. Scroll down for a picture. I'm not sure when it started but mine is Serial # 167720.

 

I have been hearing the rumors TM have update the stock slew, but that Amazon link is the first time I have seen anything 'official' , even if it's just a render.

Can you post some picture of your new version throttle? I would be very interested to see.

[BuzzU]

I'm sorry, but I don't own a camera. I'm not one for taking pics. It does look just like the picture.

[rob10]

5 hours ago, BuzzU said:

I wonder if the new slew that comes on Warthogs need the firmware upgrade too? It seems to work ok for me.

The firmware upgrades IS NOT from Thrustmaster, so no you don't need to do it (in fact you don't NEED to do it with the aftermarket replacement slew either).  The new firmware was created by Deltaalphalima1 (who makes the aftermarket slew) to give even better responsiveness to it.

[MAXsenna]

I'm sorry, but I don't own a camera. I'm not one for taking pics. It does look just like the picture.

No cellphone?

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[BuzzU]

39 minutes ago, MAXsenna said:

No cellphone?

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No, no need for one now. I'm pretty much homebound now. I just go out to the bank and get groceries. I buy everything online. Gaming is my total entertainment. Hunting, auto racing, and DCS.

53 minutes ago, rob10 said:

The firmware upgrades IS NOT from Thrustmaster, so no you don't need to do it (in fact you don't NEED to do it with the aftermarket replacement slew either).  The new firmware was created by Deltaalphalima1 (who makes the aftermarket slew) to give even better responsiveness to it.

Yes, I knew that but thought it might improve the new slew too. Although, it doesn't seem to need it

[Burt]

Just a request as I see that TM has updated their slew switch but I think if its possible that you can make the Comm Switch, that one gets used alot. My comm switch has a worn out forward position, I would be your first customer for sure, I already have your slew upgrade switch. 

[Gruman]

9 hours ago, Burt said:

Just a request as I see that TM has updated their slew switch but I think if its possible that you can make the Comm Switch, that one gets used alot. My comm switch has a worn out forward position, I would be your first customer for sure, I already have your slew upgrade switch. 

A nice comms switch with 4 clear position plus press would be awesome and an instant purchase.

Also an analog, spring-centered radar elevation as an attachment is too much to ask for? 

[MAXsenna]

A nice comms switch with 4 clear position plus press would be awesome and an instant purchase.
Also an analog, spring-centered radar elevation as an attachment is too much to ask for? 

Oh! Yes, bring it on! I've got the Cubesim attachment, and while it's good quality, it was not an axis, as I expected, but an encoder.

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[BuzzU]

I'd like a better coolie switch too.

[BammBamm]

On 10/18/2022 at 4:39 AM, Deltaalphalima1 said:

I have been hearing the rumors TM have update the stock slew, but that Amazon link is the first time I have seen anything 'official' , even if it's just a render.

Can you post some picture of your new version throttle? I would be very interested to see.

Here is a couple pics of the new OEM TM Throttle Slew that came with my HOTAS Warthog.  I bought mine about 4 months ago, if that.  It looks similar to the Delta.

 

 

Edited December 20, 2022 by BammBamm

[Deltaalphalima1]

Thrustmaster have finally updated the stock slew sensor in the warthog throttle. The terrible nipple is gone, and they have replaced it with a new one very similar to our upgrade.

It seems to be a ‘phantom version’ so if you’re buying a new throttle, there is no way to know for sure if you’re getting the new version. If you get old stock it will still have the old sensor in - but Thrustmaster seem to have been producing the new version since at least October 2022.

The new sensor is very similar to our upgrade (I wonder where they got the design inspiration ) it uses a similar style thumbstick, specifically a CK THB Thumbstick:

https://www.ckswitches.com/products/switches/product-details/Navigation/THB/

It is mounted in an injection moulded plastic housing, instead of using a front plate and screws to hold it is position like our upgrade, they are using one of the screws that hold the throttle together to wedge it in place from behind.

 

Nothing else significant has changed in the new throttle version, just the slew sensor, so our upgrade is actually still fully compatible. It just might not be worth the upgrade anymore for most people.

 

I haven’t actually been able to get a new throttle myself yet, but thanks to a very generous customer who has provided the below photos for anyone interested: