F/A18E/F Super Hornets block 1 and BLock 2 E/F ( lot 26)

[SilentSparrow]

1 minute ago, Hammer1-1 said:

Like I mentioned a few pages back, some customers dont have all the goodies. They could have a software version thats dumbed down, less features, less capable in some instances...again, not every Super Hornet gets the secret sauce. Guaranteed though if it pertains to the AESA radar or where the technology is limited to export control, yeah its going to be classified.

 

So let's just make an export-style F/A-18E/F and we'll be fine, right?

[SkateZilla]

All Export Lots are all past lot 25, so same situation.

[Hammer1-1]

Yeah, rest assured theres not going to be a Super Hornet. At best you're going to get the exact same thing you have in the lot 20 but with a different airframe...and even then, no. No secret sauce.

Edited December 17, 2022 by Hammer1-1

[SkateZilla]

19 hours ago, Hammer1-1 said:

Yeah, rest assured theres not going to be a Super Hornet. At best you're going to get the exact same thing you have in the lot 20 but with a different airframe...and even then, no. No secret sauce.

 

Minus half the A2G ordinance

[Hammer1-1]

Yeah, the Super Hornet is just a dumb idea for a module. The VRS Super Hornet is about the closest you can get to an actual representation of one "legally" so to speak and I can fly it well because I know the Blk 20 so well - yeah they're that close. Id still buy it if it ever happens, but itll be boring....nothing new, really.

[SilentSparrow]

On 12/18/2022 at 3:15 PM, Hammer1-1 said:

Yeah, the Super Hornet is just a dumb idea for a module. The VRS Super Hornet is about the closest you can get to an actual representation of one "legally" so to speak and I can fly it well because I know the Blk 20 so well - yeah they're that close. Id still buy it if it ever happens, but itll be boring....nothing new, really.

@SkateZilla you know the HOL and ACS. Are those on Australian Hornets? If not, we can make a Lot 29-style Australian F/A-18E/F. If so, however, I will give up and accept a Super Hornet isn't happening.

[Hammer1-1]

Rest assured the Australian govt will be just as tight lipped about their aircraft as we are. They're designed to work with NATO members seamlessly especially their growlers. I can pretty much guarantee that they're going to have those options installed. Interestingly, if the Indians happen to secure a Boeing contract, exceedingly good chance they wont. Thats a lot of tech they will have to incorporate into their Mig/Suhkoi fleet that the State Dept would absolutely hate to see happen. Still wouldnt even hope to see a SH in any way - even as an AI model.

[SkateZilla]

14 hours ago, SilentSparrow said:

@SkateZilla you know the HOL and ACS. Are those on Australian Hornets? If not, we can make a Lot 29-style Australian F/A-18E/F. If so, however, I will give up and accept a Super Hornet isn't happening.

Export Aircraft fall under the same rule.

[SilentSparrow]

On 1/7/2023 at 9:40 AM, SkateZilla said:

Export Aircraft fall under the same rule.

So do they have the HOL and ACS or not? Maybe go ask the Indians. If it's a cockpit problem then they could have a problem selling the HOL and ACS to an uncertain ally like India.

[Kalasnkova74]

Based on what Elward wrote about the Super Hornet, there’s no point pursuing an official module for DCS.
 

At first the Super Hornet used software and systems from the Legacy models to save cost, but over time the US Navy’s incrementally increased its capability into the jet they wanted back in the 90s but couldn’t realistically afford. Don’t let looks deceive: a modern Super Hornet is a 5th generation aircraft in a 4th generation suit. Rather than buy and develop the high tech toys upfront concurrently (as we see with the F-35 and risks it experienced), Boeing & the USN’s approach integrated the technology over time after maturity. I’ll let the reader decide which approach delivers fewer headline and budget headaches.  
 

Anyways, a Super Hornet module COULD be built but it would be an early version identical to the legacy in capabilities which defeats the point of making it -and doesn’t represent a good financial prospect for the developer studio. Why would someone wait and pay for a new module that’s going to perform the same as one you can buy right now? 
 

For a Super Hornet module to make business or development sense it would need to be a later block. Unfortunately for DCS those capabilities are and will remain classified for the foreseeable future. The Super Hornet will remain in USN service until the FA-XXX is fielded , and that’s at least a decade out . Even longer if Bryan Clark’s (of the Hudson Institute think tank) hypothesis of the FA-XX using the Super Hornet bears fruit. 

 

[SkateZilla]

11 hours ago, SilentSparrow said:

So do they have the HOL and ACS or not? Maybe go ask the Indians. If it's a cockpit problem then they could have a problem selling the HOL and ACS to an uncertain ally like India.

Export Aircraft are Block II Spec or higher, so yes, they have HOL, ACS and AESA

[SilentSparrow]

7 hours ago, SkateZilla said:

Export Aircraft are Block II Spec or higher, so yes, they have HOL, ACS and AESA

Sad. I give up. There is no way we get a Super Hornet other than a community mod. Until someone like CJS just pivots to making a full-on F/A-18E/F standalone we will never have it.

[F-2]

Wouldn’t mind an AI super hornet as a strike craft with the upcoming dynamic campaign.

[cordite]

Who's CJS?

[SilentSparrow]

1 hour ago, cordite said:

Who's CJS?

Chiller Juice Studios. AKA The best hope we have for a Super Hornet.

[SkateZilla]

3 hours ago, cordite said:

Who's CJS?

 

[SilentSparrow]

@SkateZilla, I kinda exaggerated things. What exactly in the HOL and ACS is classified, and what exactly are the HOL and ACS? Many people might not know, so for the record. I don't know what in the HOL and ACS is classified. Also, if it is classified, why did the US Navy let the Top Gun: Maverick cast fly in the backseat of Block II Super Hornets, due to the possibility that, I dunno, Glen Powell spied for the Chinese Government?

[MiG21bisFishbedL]

15 minutes ago, SilentSparrow said:

Also, if it is classified, why did the US Navy let the Top Gun: Maverick cast fly in the backseat of Block II Super Hornets, due to the possibility that, I dunno, Glen Powell spied for the Chinese Government?

Because, they're actors, they don't know what they're looking at, and they were probably vetted. And, what they could look at, not much could be glibbed from.

[EA-18G_BlockII]

25 minutes ago, SilentSparrow said:

@SkateZilla, I kinda exaggerated things. What exactly in the HOL and ACS is classified, and what exactly are the HOL and ACS? Many people might not know, so for the record. I don't know what in the HOL and ACS is classified. Also, if it is classified, why did the US Navy let the Top Gun: Maverick cast fly in the backseat of Block II Super Hornets, due to the possibility that, I dunno, Glen Powell spied for the Chinese Government?

lol what a great conspiracy you got there XD , you really need some reality checks ya know

[SilentSparrow]

19 minutes ago, EA-18G_BlockII said:

lol what a great conspiracy you got there XD , you really need some reality checks ya know

Yeah that part wasn't really meant to be taken seriously.

[SkateZilla]

A. The Camera's only faced back in those cockpits and not on the displays themselves (for the Actor's shots), All front facing shots were over the pilots shoulder (who was a real USN Pilot and not an actor)., and Most of the Front facing shots were CGI'd over for hollywood effect (Fake Radar Screens etc), but for the most part the pilots flew w/ Stats and ADI Pages up and not classified displays.. There was not a single shot of the ACS in the movie, in fact, they portrayed the back seat like a pre-ACS Hornet, with the cloned MPCDs from the front seat. The Actors themselves never sat in the front seat while the jets were operating, they only sat in the back seat for a few select shots (Low G Maneuvers, Flybys and formation flights), most of everything else was mockup on motion platform w/ green screen back drops to place them in the scenes recorded by the US Navy Pilots with empty back seats. (which was also the same way they filmed the cockpit scenes for Top Gun in 1985.).
In fact they used the same F-14A Cockpit Mockup for the Tomcat Scenes in Top Gun Maverick,
They green screen'd the cockpit and rendered a tomcat body over a hornet for most of the inside out facing shots or outside facing in airframe shots.
Ground Taxi and Static shots used F-14A-85-GR Buno.159631, this jet was also Scanned for the rendering for the Aerial Scenes.

B. Even the cameras recording, are not the same as having the Engineering/Technician Manuals Required to create the systems at the level DCS Aircraft are.

C. All the Foxtrot Models that were fitted with the IMAX Camera System for recording the actors where Block I's, 2 of which went to the US Navy Blue Angels after filming.

D. Back to B, Images of the Cockpits are everywhere, the cockpit layout and likeness isnt classified, systems functionality, displays and coding are ,

E. I've sat in Numerous Tomcats, Hornets and Super Hornets during my teenage years.

HOL (Higher Order Language) is the Programming Language used in the Lot 25 and Above Super Hornets in conjunction with the new processors.
SCS (System Configuration Set) is the programming Language used in Lot 24 and Below, and Legacy Hornets,
SCS-25X was the last Version for Legacy Hornets, and Block I Super Hornets, Super Hornets were upgraded to the new processors and HOL while in the fleet.

I've already explained what ACS was earlier in the thread, as well as HoL actually.

Edited January 18, 2023 by SkateZilla

[Hammer1-1]

15 hours ago, SilentSparrow said:

@SkateZilla, I kinda exaggerated things. What exactly in the HOL and ACS is classified, and what exactly are the HOL and ACS? Many people might not know, so for the record. I don't know what in the HOL and ACS is classified. Also, if it is classified, why did the US Navy let the Top Gun: Maverick cast fly in the backseat of Block II Super Hornets, due to the possibility that, I dunno, Glen Powell spied for the Chinese Government?

Theres a lot of things wrong with that question. That implies Glen Powell is familiar with the back seat and knows what to look for.

[SilentSparrow]

6 hours ago, Hammer1-1 said:

Theres a lot of things wrong with that question. That implies Glen Powell is familiar with the back seat and knows what to look for.

Yeeaaah, I wasn't implying that, I was half-jokingly saying that he could slam a bunch of MFD buttons and be like WHOA LOOK AT THAT CLASSIFIED ACS

Anyways were the Lot 24 WSO displays color displays? Would it be a stretch to have an F/A-18E Lot 29 and an F/A-18F Lot 29 but with the WSO cockpit stuck in Lot 24? Or would that be ok with a mishmash a la JF-17 and F-15E?

[draconus]

4 hours ago, SilentSparrow said:

Would it be a stretch to have an F/A-18E Lot 29 and an F/A-18F Lot 29 but with the WSO cockpit stuck in Lot 24? Or would that be ok with a mishmash a la JF-17 and F-15E?

That's pretty far from ok.

[Jeb]

On 2/18/2021 at 6:12 AM, Mellonomathegreat said:

I'm new to this forum, so this is a new topic to me; is DCS ever going to get the E/F variant of the F18? I see people trying to give answers, but I'm not sure they are aware that there is a difference between the aircraft. Just curious, I worked on the Super when I was a plane captain in the Navy, so I think it would bee a cool addition for some of us. Picture included as reference.

I was on the flight test team for the suprhornet, from first flight and 12 years after. i also would like to see the E/F