fulcrum_64th Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 Dear Friends, Now that the M2000c is approaching maturity :), I'm strongly considering getting into the AV-8! As it's still in early access, I'm curious to know how far the plane is in terms of avionics, FM and weapon systems i.e. what is currently functional? Also how does is look and perform in VR? Kind Regards, Fulcrum :pilotfly: win 10x64 - Asus ROG Maximus XI Hero - I9 9900K@5.0GHz - Samsung 970 EVO m2 2TB - RAM Corsair 64GB DDR4 - Corsair H150i pro - Strix RTX 2080 Ti- oculus rift S and a few other goodies :joystick:
some1 Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 Pretty much this: https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=196533 It's ok in VR, small fonts on MFD's are hard to read but the HUD is very clear. 3D modelling is very good, but no 3D pilot. Hardware: VPForce Rhino, FSSB R3 Ultra, Virpil WarBRD, Hotas Warthog, Winwing F15EX, Slaw Rudder, GVL224 Trio Throttle, Thrustmaster MFDs, Saitek Trim wheel, Trackir 5, Quest Pro
fulcrum_64th Posted February 27, 2018 Author Posted February 27, 2018 Pretty much this: https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=196533 It's ok in VR, small fonts on MFD's are hard to read but the HUD is very clear. 3D modelling is very good, but no 3D pilot. Thanks a lot! :thumbup: :pilotfly: win 10x64 - Asus ROG Maximus XI Hero - I9 9900K@5.0GHz - Samsung 970 EVO m2 2TB - RAM Corsair 64GB DDR4 - Corsair H150i pro - Strix RTX 2080 Ti- oculus rift S and a few other goodies :joystick:
Mr_sukebe Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 I love flying it. Can't comment on it's accuracy, as I've never genuinely flown anything, but seems to stand up well when compared against other DCS aircraft. I believe it has most of the weapons planned. There's talk of the "+" model being added, but I'm still not sure if that's a definite. If it is, then it might also get Harpoons (yes please). Avionics are where things are really missing, particularly so if you fly say the A10c. The MFDs are partially working, but can't be adjusted for contrast, brightness, which makes using certain systems a little difficult. There's only simple radio, ILS, TACAN either don't work at all, or only work partially. For all of the shortcomings, we know it will be resolved at some point, and it's a joy to fly. At the moment, still my most fun aircraft. 7800x3d, 5080, 64GB, PCIE5 SSD - Oculus Pro - Moza (AB9), Virpil (Alpha, CM3, CM1 and CM2), WW (TOP and CP), TM (MFDs, Pendular Rudder), Tek Creations (F18 panel), Total Controls (Apache MFD), Jetseat
fulcrum_64th Posted February 27, 2018 Author Posted February 27, 2018 (edited) I love flying it. Can't comment on it's accuracy, as I've never genuinely flown anything, but seems to stand up well when compared against other DCS aircraft. I believe it has most of the weapons planned. There's talk of the "+" model being added, but I'm still not sure if that's a definite. If it is, then it might also get Harpoons (yes please). Avionics are where things are really missing, particularly so if you fly say the A10c. The MFDs are partially working, but can't be adjusted for contrast, brightness, which makes using certain systems a little difficult. There's only simple radio, ILS, TACAN either don't work at all, or only work partially. For all of the shortcomings, we know it will be resolved at some point, and it's a joy to fly. At the moment, still my most fun aircraft. Thanks a lot! I might still get it despite the missing avionics features. I definetly need to work on my VTOL skills :joystick: Edited February 27, 2018 by fulcrum_64th :pilotfly: win 10x64 - Asus ROG Maximus XI Hero - I9 9900K@5.0GHz - Samsung 970 EVO m2 2TB - RAM Corsair 64GB DDR4 - Corsair H150i pro - Strix RTX 2080 Ti- oculus rift S and a few other goodies :joystick:
Bersagliere81 Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 As you can see in my sig, I own most of the modules harrier is what I only fly now. As of early access, you lack many systems (not all switches in the cockpit are functional), and I am pretty sure we are having a "simple" start up. Orher than that, jdams are still missing, as well as fully operational radios, INS, and who knows what else. Still, you can decently play it in both a-a, a-g and aar | A-10C | MiG-21bis | Hawk T1.A | L-39 Albatros | F-5E | Ka-50 | Mi-8 | NTTR | CA | SU27 | M2000C | F-86F | AV-8B | F/A-18C | Mig 15 | Mig 19| Specs Intel i7-9700k msi GTX 2060 Gaming Z msi Z390 Gaming PLUS 16gb RAM Hotas Warthog
Xxx Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 I too am considering buying the Harrier. I am a big fan of the Mirage, it's now a very nice simulation! It did take a year before the HUD could be read in NTTR in bright sunlight, but never mind, it's done now and if the graphics get extra eye candy it will be a treat! I am awaiting the release version of 2.5. I think then I will move the Harrier up the line. When I bought the A10c and the Black Shark, they were finished simulations, I know things have changed since those early days, but I am no fan of this "early access"..."beta" release method of marketing. If it's "beta" then it's clearly an unfinished simulation that's still in development. Regards. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]i7 Haswell @ 4.6Ghz, Z97p, GTX1080, 32GB DDR3, x3SSD, Win7/64, professional. 32" BenQ, TIR 5, Saitek x55 HOTAS. Search User Files for "herky" for my uploaded missions. My flight sim videos on You Tube. https://www.youtube.com/user/David Herky
thrustvector Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 well what else can I say, its a very fun aircraft to fly, feels very stable at all speeds, even VTOL if you are slow. weapons all work, or at least I can hit anything I go for so that's a good thing. model is lovely, and we now have a basic auto pilot, personally I would say get it, theres no game breaking bugs and as said its a joy to fly
WildBillKelsoe Posted March 2, 2018 Posted March 2, 2018 autopilot not working. NRAS and pitch carets not settable. UFC function buttons and digikeys not working. Backwards hovering, map not yet implemented and INS. Pulling 6 Gs does not cause blackout. Stores page half implemented but weapons panel not settable for MRS or DRC,etc... Its good buy if you can get it in a discounted sale. AWAITING ED NEW DAMAGE MODEL IMPLEMENTATION FOR WW2 BIRDS Fat T is above, thin T is below. Long T is faster, Short T is slower. Open triangle is AWACS, closed triangle is your own sensors. Double dash is friendly, Single dash is enemy. Circle is friendly. Strobe is jammer. Strobe to dash is under 35 km. HDD is 7 times range key. Radar to 160 km, IRST to 10 km. Stay low, but never slow.
Ruebban Posted March 2, 2018 Posted March 2, 2018 autopilot not working. NRAS and pitch carets not settable. UFC function buttons and digikeys not working. Backwards hovering, map not yet implemented and INS. Pulling 6 Gs does not cause blackout. Stores page half implemented but weapons panel not settable for MRS or DRC,etc... Its good buy if you can get it in a discounted sale. Autopilot works.
DowntownSIX Posted March 2, 2018 Posted March 2, 2018 I'm in the same position as the OP. It doesn't sound like there is too much missing, which is good. My only concern is how long it'll be before we see any of this stuff. I'm keeping an eye on this sub-forum to see what's coming with each patch to get a feel for how long the Harrier is going to take to complete before pulling the trigger. Devils Canyon i7 4790K @ 4.9GHz |16gb DDR3 | MSI GeForce GTX 1080Ti | Samsung 860 EVO Thrustmaster Warthog | Virpil WarBRD | Virpil TM-50CM2 Grip | VKB-Sim T-Rudder Mk.IV | Acer X34A (21:9) | Oculus Rift S A-10C | AJS-37 | AV-8B | C-101 | F/A-18C | F-14A/B | F-5E | KA-50 | L-39 | M-2000C | SA342 | Spitfire LF Mk IX | UH-1H
Andrei Posted March 2, 2018 Posted March 2, 2018 Being an early adopter of Harrier myself, if seems to me that it takes RAZBAM 6-9 months after initial release to make the module more or less feature complete. This is based on the history we've had with M2000 and current state of affairs. Harrier was released around December, and now we're 3 month later, having received TGP and autopilot updates in so far. So might make sense to wait until the end of sping / early summer :) By that time we'd hopefully get working navigation system and other goodies. AMD R7 5800X3D | Aorus B550 Pro | 32GB DDR4-3600 | RTX 4080 | VKB MGC Pro Gunfighter Mk III + STECS + VKB T-Rudder Mk4 | Pimax Crystal FC3 | A-10C II | Ка-50 | P-51 | UH-1 | Ми-8 | F-86F | МиГ-21 | FW-190 | МиГ-15 | Л-39 | Bf 109 | M-2000C | F-5 | Spitfire | AJS-37 | AV-8B | F/A-18C | Як-52 | F-14 | F-16 | Ми-24 | AH-64 | F-15E | F-4 | CH-47 NTTR | Normandy | Gulf | Syria | Supercarrier | Afghanistan | Kola
Deano87 Posted March 2, 2018 Posted March 2, 2018 I honestly don't understand why you'd wait if you intend on getting the module in the long run. Buy it now, fly it some, if you're not happy with its current state of comepleteness just stop flying it and then check it after each patch. Personally I'm having a blast with it. I know it's not finished but it's fun to fly regardless. Proud owner of: PointCTRL VR : Finger Trackers for VR -- Real Simulator : FSSB R3L Force Sensing Stick. -- Deltasim : Force Sensor WH Slew Upgrade -- Mach3Ti Ring : Real Flown Mach 3 SR-71 Titanium, made into an amazing ring. My Fathers Aviation Memoirs: 50 Years of Flying Fun - From Hunter to Spitfire and back again.
Flia Posted March 2, 2018 Posted March 2, 2018 Yes yes. Even in current version. Harrier is fun to fly. If you like him buy him now :) PC: i7 9700K, 32 GB RAM, RTX 2080 SUPER, Tir 5, Hotas Warthog Throttle, VPC MongoosT-50CM2 Base with VPC MongoosT-50CM2 Grip, VKB-SIM T-RUDDER PEDALS MK.IV. Modules : NEVADA, F-5E, M-2000C, BF-109K4, A-10C, FC3, P-51D, MIG-21BIS, MI-8MTV2, F-86F, FW-190D9, UH-1H, L-39, MIG-15BIS, AJS37, SPITFIRE-MKIX, AV8BNA, PERSIAN GULF, F/A-18C HORNET, YAK-52, KA-50, F-14,SA342, C-101, F-16, JF-17, Supercarrier,I-16,MIG-19P, P-47D,A-10C_II
WildBillKelsoe Posted March 2, 2018 Posted March 2, 2018 Autopilot works. No it doesnt. In 1.5.8? AWAITING ED NEW DAMAGE MODEL IMPLEMENTATION FOR WW2 BIRDS Fat T is above, thin T is below. Long T is faster, Short T is slower. Open triangle is AWACS, closed triangle is your own sensors. Double dash is friendly, Single dash is enemy. Circle is friendly. Strobe is jammer. Strobe to dash is under 35 km. HDD is 7 times range key. Radar to 160 km, IRST to 10 km. Stay low, but never slow.
Kayos Posted March 2, 2018 Posted March 2, 2018 No it doesnt. In 1.5.8? The old version won't be getting updates anymore. You need to update to 2.5 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Charly_Owl Posted March 2, 2018 Posted March 2, 2018 Well, having gone pretty in-depth through the Harrier real-life documentation myself and having cross-checked with what's implemented in DCS, I can tell you the following: - Fun factor: the Harrier is one of the most interesting aircraft to fly at the moment. Variable nozzle angle makes landing exciting when trying to land on the Tarawa or on other carriers. Flying the Harrier is much, much more fun than I initially anticipated. - Missing features: yes, there are many of them. Snoopy listed a number of them, as someone pointed out in this thread. The missing INS and Navigation-related features should come soon, and once they're in with radios, I think the Harrier will be in much better shape. At the moment though, I think the Harrier is functional enough to help you learn useful stuff about the aircraft. Best part is: it'll only get better. -With the TPOD, DMT, Maverick and other sensors, the Harrier has a great versatility in mission types. - The Harrier is roughly at the stage where the Mirage was a month after its release. There was a lot of stuff missing at the time (INS mainly, and armament panel functionality) but now I think the Mirage is in pretty good shape. I think it's fair to say that the potential of the Harrier is immense and that Razbam has the capability and the willingness to exploit this potential and bring it to us in a timely fashion. - Before I started studying the Harrier more thoroughly, I felt quite disappointed with the Harrier by reading at the list of the current missing features. However, I gave Razbam the benefit of the doubt and saw for myself how deep I could get into this module. I was quite happily surprised to see that overall, the Harrier is much better than I thought. The missing features are a bit of an annoyance at the moment but they don't actively ruin the experience. I think you can get a solid basis by trying it out today. TLDR: Yes, there is quite a bit of stuff missing, but there is also a lot that's implemented and functional too. Just check this "quick" guide on how to operate it: http://www.mudspike.com/chucks-guides-dcs-av-8b-harrier-ii/ Chuck's DCS Tutorial Library Chuck's Guides on Mudspike Chuck's Youtube Channel Chuck's Patreon
Gerrard Posted March 2, 2018 Posted March 2, 2018 Just buy it already!.. It's a fantastic module even in it's current state, and the VTOL is a total blast.. Completing a mission and landing on the Tarawa afterwards gives a sense of achievement that always puts a smile on your face.. I even managed to fire off a Maverick at a moving target from a 50 degree, nose down hover - I have no idea if that is good or not, or even accurate, but it was bloody difficult and funny as hell!.. :)
WildBillKelsoe Posted March 2, 2018 Posted March 2, 2018 The old version won't be getting updates anymore. You need to update to 2.5 its funny you would say this as I heard ED will do one last update to 1.5.8 incorporating some but not all fixes for the harrier and other modules. I'm just one of the people who cant run 2.5 for hardware reasons. Still, it would be nice, in the mean time to enjoy an as advertised module. I guess there is no escape. Perhaps in two years time I could revisit, with fresh, discounted GPUs and other things. AWAITING ED NEW DAMAGE MODEL IMPLEMENTATION FOR WW2 BIRDS Fat T is above, thin T is below. Long T is faster, Short T is slower. Open triangle is AWACS, closed triangle is your own sensors. Double dash is friendly, Single dash is enemy. Circle is friendly. Strobe is jammer. Strobe to dash is under 35 km. HDD is 7 times range key. Radar to 160 km, IRST to 10 km. Stay low, but never slow.
Jenrick Posted March 2, 2018 Posted March 2, 2018 The Harrier currently is more then "playable" and realistically has about the same functionality as a real world A-4 or A-7, plus a kinda working targeting pod. If you step back from dropping PGM's on everything and do some bombing the old fashioned way you are really only missing the intervalometer for weapons release spacing, and the ARBS being able to following a moving target (so an early A-4 in that regard). So feature complete, heck no. Still a heck of a lot of fun to fly and fight, absolutely. -Jenrick
Deano87 Posted March 3, 2018 Posted March 3, 2018 The Harrier currently is more then "playable" and realistically has about the same functionality as a real world A-4 or A-7, plus a kinda working targeting pod. If you step back from dropping PGM's on everything and do some bombing the old fashioned way you are really only missing the intervalometer for weapons release spacing, and the ARBS being able to following a moving target (so an early A-4 in that regard). So feature complete, heck no. Still a heck of a lot of fun to fly and fight, absolutely. -Jenrick This! :thumbup: Proud owner of: PointCTRL VR : Finger Trackers for VR -- Real Simulator : FSSB R3L Force Sensing Stick. -- Deltasim : Force Sensor WH Slew Upgrade -- Mach3Ti Ring : Real Flown Mach 3 SR-71 Titanium, made into an amazing ring. My Fathers Aviation Memoirs: 50 Years of Flying Fun - From Hunter to Spitfire and back again.
javelina1 Posted March 3, 2018 Posted March 3, 2018 I've been flying it almost exclusively. Love this bird. A great cockpit for VR. You'll enjoy it! MSI MAG Z790 Carbon, i9-13900k, NH-D15 cooler, 64 GB CL40 6000mhz RAM, MSI RTX4090, Yamaha 5.1 A/V Receiver, 4x 2TB Samsung 980 Pro NVMe, 1x 2TB Samsung 870 EVO SSD, Win 11 Pro, TM Warthog, Virpil WarBRD, MFG Crosswinds, 43" Samsung 4K TV, 21.5 Acer VT touchscreen, TrackIR, Varjo Aero, Wheel Stand Pro Super Warthog, Phanteks Enthoo Pro2 Full Tower Case, Seasonic GX-1200 ATX3 PSU, PointCTRL, Buttkicker 2, K-51 Helicopter Collective Control
Scooternutz Posted March 3, 2018 Posted March 3, 2018 Great little jet but still very beta. I would buy it again. [sIGPIC]https://drive.google.com/file/d/16rUBmmJR7A3YGZVGPGskxG1XtvulGojJ/view?usp=sharing[/sIGPIC]
poochies Posted March 3, 2018 Posted March 3, 2018 I know it's completely verboten but I just like putting the canopy back and hovering around, trying to do precise landings on top of buildings, things like that. Getting tired of my GBU-12's hitting 50 % of the time using the TPOD in it's current form, but love doing the gun runs in 2.5, get it you won't be disappointed !
Deano87 Posted March 4, 2018 Posted March 4, 2018 I know it's completely verboten but I just like putting the canopy back and hovering around, trying to do precise landings on top of buildings, things like that. Getting tired of my GBU-12's hitting 50 % of the time using the TPOD in it's current form, but love doing the gun runs in 2.5, get it you won't be disappointed ! I have a pretty much 100% success rate with my GBU-12s. Dunno what you could be doing wrong :wassat: Proud owner of: PointCTRL VR : Finger Trackers for VR -- Real Simulator : FSSB R3L Force Sensing Stick. -- Deltasim : Force Sensor WH Slew Upgrade -- Mach3Ti Ring : Real Flown Mach 3 SR-71 Titanium, made into an amazing ring. My Fathers Aviation Memoirs: 50 Years of Flying Fun - From Hunter to Spitfire and back again.
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