504Goon Posted March 15, 2007 Posted March 15, 2007 According to RL data the MiG-29 accelerates at sea level from 500km/h to 1100km/h for 11 sec. Is this with the baseline engines installed? My sources state 13 seconds at SL, and 13.5 from 600 to 1100 at 1000m. 504th CO http://www.vvs504.co.uk
Pilotasso Posted March 15, 2007 Posted March 15, 2007 Im more than looking forward to new game standards that will bring the Mig-29 to its rightfull aerodynamic perfomance and by the same token removing also its abilities to disapear in midair ALA Mig-29 Raptorski and maddog IR missiles BVR ;) :D 1 .
GGTharos Posted March 15, 2007 Posted March 15, 2007 Bwhaahahah! :D [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
504Goon Posted March 15, 2007 Posted March 15, 2007 Im more than looking forward to new game standards that will bring the Mig-29 to its rightfull aerodynamic perfomance and by the same token removing also its abilities to disapear in midair ALA Mig-29 Raptorski and maddog IR missiles BVR ;) :D Me too :) also i can't wait for the better AIM 120C, and maybe even the corrected F15 high altitude thrust..:) 504th CO http://www.vvs504.co.uk
Pilotasso Posted March 15, 2007 Posted March 15, 2007 Its true, me thinks we should be patient and enjoy what we have now that cant be fixed right away (it will take more than BS). The mig cant turn very well but it does accelerate super fast, supercruises, can blow you outa da sky BVR with no warning, disapear, just like mini F-22's. I have been using it with great success, true that once I have to double back to get that bogey that just flew by me has been throwing me to the rocks more often than its believable but the trade off is hugely in favour of the migs and in detriment of all other aircraft including the flanker, wich has been unfairly ripped off from its spotlight in this SIM (considering that under the table it is Flanker 3.0). .
Vekkinho Posted March 18, 2007 Posted March 18, 2007 If you catch it high and fast, advantage should go to an F-15 because of its energy capabilityWell, looks like we all forgot that there's many types of dogfight IRL. So LOMAC tried to cover it all with 3 different planes. Fulcrums are energy fighters not turn fighters like Eagle and Flanker, so fly it accordingly. Remember, those turn rates from that diagram probably represent angles and radius in level turns. Try MiG-29 in oblique turns, go for some altitude (power) changes and you might notice how those Flankers and Eagles (even M2000) turn into sitting ducks. When I said that RPM/speed ratio should be reduced by 5% I thought that for cruising @ 780 km/h RPM should be cca 86% at 5000m MSL (fuel<1500L, ordinance=clean). Well in LO:FC the fastest I did with the MiG-29(9-12A) was 15 sec. It depends on atmospheric conditions but it's close to real. I did the test flying clean plane at 500km/h 30m above the water and I started the counter when I moved my throttle from Idle to full burner. The engine needs about 3sec to reach max thrust. Atmospheric conditions?!! There's no such thing in LO:FC, like baro pressure, humidity, air temperature etc. There must be some kind of scripted diagram in LO that determines Vmax according to flight alt. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Weta43 Posted March 19, 2007 Posted March 19, 2007 There's no such thing in LO:FC, like baro pressure, humidity, air temperature etc. There's a setting for air temp in the weather screen - presumably it has some effect on air density & lift/turns , if not engine performance... Cheers.
Prophet Posted March 19, 2007 Posted March 19, 2007 The laser on the 25T also cools faster at lower temps.
EvilBivol-1 Posted March 19, 2007 Posted March 19, 2007 Atmospheric conditions have a great impact on the AFM models, including engine performance. I'm not sure how it applies to SFM. - EB [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Nothing is easy. Everything takes much longer. The Parable of Jane's A-10 Forum Rules
Pilotasso Posted March 19, 2007 Posted March 19, 2007 Yes, weather afect AFM, the frog gets to shake with winds :D .
Vekkinho Posted March 19, 2007 Posted March 19, 2007 This might be true with AFM aircraft but when talking of Fulcrums FM performance I haven't experienced any difference if -20 deg or +30... But winds and turbulence might create a lot of problems when landing especially with damaged ACS :cry:. On the other hand IR missiles (like R-27-(E)T, R-73 and R-60) are affected by ambient tempetarure. So is flare!!!!:smilewink: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
fretwear Posted March 23, 2007 Author Posted March 23, 2007 Wow this thread sure turned into something else. lol I was just asking about the model... (runs and hides) :lookaround: --------------------- FX 55 Sandy@ 3.03 GHz Tuniq Tower 120 DFI Lanparty CFX 3200-DR/G (2X) X1950XTX Crossfire@ 695 core 2048 OCZ PC 3200 Platinum (2-3-2-5) Antec TP3 650 Samsung 19" LCD (8ms) Saitek X-45 HOTAS Track IR 4 CH Pro Pedals :pilotfly:
thesystem Posted March 30, 2007 Posted March 30, 2007 Would it not be cool to add the bolt on refueling pod from the mig-29BM...so that we could also do IFR with the 29...and not only with the flanker?:) DCS World, A10C, AV8B, M2k, FA18C, FC3, MIG21
Vekkinho Posted April 16, 2007 Posted April 16, 2007 We might only get standard VVS planes in future that MiG-35 and OVT sure ain't. I wouldn't expect any upgrades to current MiG-29 since most of the active Fulcrums IRL are 9-12 and 9-13 airframes. So in my opinion MiG-29 that's presented in LOFC is quite up to date... FM and things like we mentioned above are another story. What I'd like to have is flyable Su-32/34. Rusfor SEAD missions might gain another aspect. 3D models are just eye candy, let's face it, and since I don't use any external views I wouldn't wanna spend another thousand on a new top notch rig just to have better looking but still the same airplane in LOBS. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
fretwear Posted April 16, 2007 Author Posted April 16, 2007 We might only get standard VVS planes in future that MiG-35 and OVT sure ain't. I wouldn't expect any upgrades to current MiG-29 since most of the active Fulcrums IRL are 9-12 and 9-13 airframes. So in my opinion MiG-29 that's presented in LOFC is quite up to date... FM and things like we mentioned above are another story. What I'd like to have is flyable Su-32/34. Rusfor SEAD missions might gain another aspect. 3D models are just eye candy, let's face it, and since I don't use any external views I wouldn't wanna spend another thousand on a new top notch rig just to have better looking but still the same airplane in LOBS. I'm glad they're working on a new model for the 29. I spent some bucks on a crossfire rig so I wanna see some damn eye candy! lol --------------------- FX 55 Sandy@ 3.03 GHz Tuniq Tower 120 DFI Lanparty CFX 3200-DR/G (2X) X1950XTX Crossfire@ 695 core 2048 OCZ PC 3200 Platinum (2-3-2-5) Antec TP3 650 Samsung 19" LCD (8ms) Saitek X-45 HOTAS Track IR 4 CH Pro Pedals :pilotfly:
thesystem Posted April 17, 2007 Posted April 17, 2007 Well, since the Netherlands and Belgium and so are in Lock On, why not add Belarussia with theyr Mig-29BM with Air to Air refuel and an MFD....or at least the loose Air to Air refuel pod to add to the Mig-29.....because it is a bolt on and easy to mod thing... It would boost the range of the mig-29 and then we could also do the basket refuel with another plane as that damn su-33.....(I like the su-33 though haha_ DCS World, A10C, AV8B, M2k, FA18C, FC3, MIG21
VMFA-Blaze Posted April 17, 2007 Posted April 17, 2007 Thats sounds like an excellant idea.. But from where I'm sitting I don't think that we'll see anything along these lines for quite some time.. After BS goes gold, Who knows what or how long the first stand alone sim from ED will take to happen... ~S~ Blaze intel Cor i7-6700K ASUS ROG MAX VIII Extreme G.Skill TridentZ Series 32 GB Samsung 850 Pro 1TB SATA II ASUS GTX 1080/DIRECTX 12 Windows 10 PRO Thrustmaster Warthog Oculus Rift VR
mikoyan Posted April 17, 2007 Posted April 17, 2007 The MiG-29 has bigger T/W ratio ratio, better rate of climb, better instantneous turn rate and similar sustained turn rate. I also think it's FM is undermodelled. It only accelerates adequately in level flight. were did you get this info? (intantaneous turn rate?) What I Know is that the mig has less istantaneous turn rate than the flanker, more wing loading, and a smaler aoa limit (28 degrees in the s model), it has better aceleration and climb performance.
Shaman Posted April 17, 2007 Posted April 17, 2007 Is this 3D model discussion or plane performance? Gimme some 3d model screenies here... 51PVO Founding member (DEC2007-) 100KIAP Founding member (DEC2018-) :: Shaman aka [100☭] Shamansky tail# 44 or 444 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 100KIAP Regiment Early Warning & Control officer
fretwear Posted April 17, 2007 Author Posted April 17, 2007 Is this 3D model discussion or plane performance? Gimme some 3d model screenies here... Thank you. :) --------------------- FX 55 Sandy@ 3.03 GHz Tuniq Tower 120 DFI Lanparty CFX 3200-DR/G (2X) X1950XTX Crossfire@ 695 core 2048 OCZ PC 3200 Platinum (2-3-2-5) Antec TP3 650 Samsung 19" LCD (8ms) Saitek X-45 HOTAS Track IR 4 CH Pro Pedals :pilotfly:
Kuky Posted April 18, 2007 Posted April 18, 2007 I hate waiting for things like this, makes me so impatient :( PC specs: Windows 11 Home | Asus TUF Gaming B850-Plus WiFi | AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D + LC 360 AIO | MSI RTX 5090 LC 360 AIO | 55" Samsung Odyssey Gen 2 | 64GB PC5-48000 DDR5 | 1TB M2 SSD for OS | 2TB M2 SSD for DCS | NZXT C1000 Gold ATX 3.1 1000W | TM Cougar Throttle, Floor Mounted MongoosT-50 Grip on TM Cougar board, MFG Crosswind, Track IR
thesystem Posted April 21, 2007 Posted April 21, 2007 Thats sounds like an excellant idea.. But from where I'm sitting I don't think that we'll see anything along these lines for quite some time.. After BS goes gold, Who knows what or how long the first stand alone sim from ED will take to happen... ~S~ Blaze The would just have to add a refuel script for it and thats all....the model isn't that hard ether. Just add a new pylon, near the nose and the only store can be the refuel probe.... DCS World, A10C, AV8B, M2k, FA18C, FC3, MIG21
59th_LeFty Posted May 13, 2007 Posted May 13, 2007 I agree with the 29 is under- or overmodelled in some flight characteristics but its not serious i think. I think that in Lomac the Flanker beat it too easily in dogifght. About RL: Check out this video (20MB) and look at the acceleration from 1.4 to 2 mach. MiG-29UB. I like this video, hope you'll too. Thanks to Sucu! VIDEO 1 [sIGPIC]http://www.forum.lockon.ru/signaturepics/sigpic5279_1.gif[/sIGPIC] I could shot down a Kitchen :smartass:
diveplane Posted May 13, 2007 Posted May 13, 2007 cant stand that music, spoils footage imo rather hear the real cockpit sounds.. https://www.youtube.com/user/diveplane11 DCS Audio Modding.
Vekkinho Posted May 27, 2007 Posted May 27, 2007 Nice video but note that acceleration was made during aggresive dive (VVI=-50m/s) and I suppose plane was clean of all external weapons and fuel tanks! We can't see how much fuel was in internal tanks during 2M flight but I believe plane was nearing bingo. As you can see pilots used AB to climb to 17500m MSL with a vertical velocity of 25m/s and plane still kept accelerating. That means AB to the metal! :smilewink: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
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