[KNOWN] Carrier take off afterburner

[FistofZen]

When taking off from airfields, afterburner turns on and I take off with it. On the carrier however, afterburner doesn't want to go on when I move my throttle to max, but after I take off, I have to move my throttle back a bit and to max again and afterburner goes on. Is it supposed to be like this?

[Xechran]

You'll need to use the finger lifts, default keybind is 9 and 0. This is for the detente that the pilot lifts over to reach afterburner irl.

 

Why its inconsistent? Dunno, CV coding for the Hornet is all new, maybe they wanted full sim for it.

[uhntissbaby111]

I could be wrong, but the finger lifts are not for AB. They are to move the throttle from idle to cutoff. There is a slight detent for AB, but nothing to lift. I have noticed the same issue as OP. On carrier takeoff, the throttle won’t move into AB. Only after leaving the deck can you select AB. Land takeoffs are fine

[CoBlue]

You'll need to use the finger lifts, default keybind is 9 and 0. This is for the detente that the pilot lifts over to reach afterburner irl. Why its inconsistent? Dunno, CV coding for the Hornet is all new, maybe they wanted full sim for it.

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[Boogiesg]

It depends. If the plane is heavy, say 45000lbs or more, then you have to use max power. I've see them launch with and without it many times. Try adding some external stores and see if it changes. FYI, the natops manual covers this stuff in chapter 8. Lot of factors to take into consideration.

[Ala12Rv-watermanpc]

+1, I thought I was crazy after experiencing this, glad to see Im not the only one...In my case, I noticed it after some failes traps when I couldnt get my burners to lit. Throttle back to mil power and again to ab makes burners to lit.

[SkateZilla]

There are Finger Lifts for AB as well, Or a Gate, depending on Block.

 

AFAIK, Defult is Max Throttle for Catapult Launch, if you want to use AB You have to use the finger lifts to go over. (and it Depends on weight)

[Shrike88]

I'll have to refer back to the Natops will Check back after work. I vaguely remeber there is a safety possibly finger lifts to prevent accidental AB engagement on the ground. There is an air vs ground logic for the lifts and AB / mil power fences.

 

Edit. Natops, 2.1.1.7.2

 

"On the ground, an afterburner lockout system helps......."

Weight on wheels, launch bar extended and or Hook down, the afterburner lockout extends and the finger lifts must be raised or a force of 32lbs must be applied before the throttles can be moved to max"

 

Now I'm not sure how that's modeled in the game. Might be an issue if you bound the lifts to a two way switch on or off.

Edited May 31, 2018 by Shrike88

[hellking]

I am having the same problem. After take off, I have to pull the throttle back and move it back forward to get any thrust going, even though my throttle is physically full forward all the time. Otherwise it just powers back down into the sea.

[Rainmaker]

I'll have to refer back to the Natops will Check back after work. I vaguely remeber there is a safety possibly finger lifts to prevent accidental AB engagement on the ground. There is an air vs ground logic for the lifts and AB / mil power fences.

 

Edit. Natops, 2.1.1.7.2

 

"On the ground, an afterburner lockout system helps......."

Weight on wheels, launch bar extended and or Hook down, the afterburner lockout extends and the finger lifts must be raised or a force of 32lbs must be applied before the throttles can be moved to max"

 

Now I'm not sure how that's modeled in the game. Might be an issue if you bound the lifts to a two way switch on or off.

 

I guess you could always bind them to a two-pos switch and have them actuated all the time. :)

 

Push button seems to work fine...AB currently disabled on ground ops as above and inflight if you want to move to cutoff position. Seems proper according to what I've read.

 

Perhaps a wishlist item to have config option to disable fingerlift requirements? I don't know of any of the common sticks that really fingerlifts so it's a switch killer to map them. In the case of dual throttles and independent control, you would have to use one button on either grip in order to maintain HOTAS control.

[FistofZen]

So is this a bug or is there a command do activate AB?

[Hamilton]

I am having the same problem. After take off, I have to pull the throttle back and move it back forward to get any thrust going, even though my throttle is physically full forward all the time. Otherwise it just powers back down into the sea.

 

Me too...

[remi]

I think there's some hard-coded scripting for the takeoff sequence until the plane's interactions with the deck is modeled to high enough fidelity for it to be an organic process. Maybe the afterburner wasn't put into the script?

 

This would make sense for why you have different flight characteristics off a runway versus carrier.

 

 

I think this is also why there is some strange flight mechanics while on the deck during a bolter.

[-Painter-]

As long as I do not lower my launch bar, I am able to push the throttle right into MAX.

As soon as I switch the launch bar into down, the detend pushes in and I can't push right into MAX, which is correct according to the NATOPS.

 

 

BUT:

As soon as I switch the launch bar control back into the upward position (after the launch bar got connected to the cat via <U>), the detend should de-engage again and I should regain full throttle control without detend so I can push right through into MAX.

(Maybe the code is checking the launch bar position, but should check the cockpit-launch-bar-aontrol-handle position instead).

[Luzifer]

BUT:

As soon as I switch the launch bar control back into the upward position (after the launch bar got connected to the cat via <U>), the detend should de-engage again and I should regain full throttle control without detend so I can push right through into MAX.

(Maybe the code is checking the launch bar position, but should check the cockpit-launch-bar-aontrol-handle position instead).

 

This is exactly what I was going to ask since the posted manuals weren't clear on that subject to me. Switch setting would make the most sense to me since it would lock out MAX from inadvertent activation when taxiing on the deck but would allow MAX for launch.

[Rainmaker]

As long as I do not lower my launch bar, I am able to push the throttle right into MAX.

As soon as I switch the launch bar into down, the detend pushes in and I can't push right into MAX, which is correct according to the NATOPS.

 

 

BUT:

As soon as I switch the launch bar control back into the upward position (after the launch bar got connected to the cat via <U>), the detend should de-engage again and I should regain full throttle control without detend so I can push right through into MAX.

(Maybe the code is checking the launch bar position, but should check the cockpit-launch-bar-aontrol-handle position instead).

 

Perhaps the lockout is tied directly to the physical position of the launch bar itself and not to the switch position?

[escaner]

Most HOTAS controls already have that AB detent (I have an X52 and a TH Warthog and both do), there is no need for a software emulation in these cases. I understand the point behind these AB lift keybindings and how they can be useful in some controllers, but there should be at least an option to deactivate them in the module properties as they are an artificial feature and a drawback in many cases.

[-Painter-]

Most HOTAS controls already have that AB detent (I have an X52 and a TH Warthog and both do), there is no need for a software emulation in these cases. I understand the point behind these AB lift keybindings and how they can be useful in some controllers, but there should be at least an option to deactivate them in the module properties as they are an artificial feature and a drawback in many cases.

Exactly!

Please add +1 in the request post with exact that request:

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=211373