Cold War 1947 - 1991

[rossmum]

Generally speaking, if one person is persistently doing something they know will make the other team miserable, they know full well what they're doing and will take a warning as encouragement if anything. This (along with people just randomly teamkilling friendly units for hours on end, bombing own airfields, etc.) is why people have asked for active moderation in the past and is why you end up getting messages here on the forums. It's all well and good to have a vision of how the mission is meant to be played and what kind of community you want, but as you said yourself, you haven't played so much lately. For those of us who do, it gets very frustrating very quickly.

[Alpenwolf]

31 minutes ago, rossmum said:

Generally speaking, if one person is persistently doing something they know will make the other team miserable, they know full well what they're doing and will take a warning as encouragement if anything. This (along with people just randomly teamkilling friendly units for hours on end, bombing own airfields, etc.) is why people have asked for active moderation in the past and is why you end up getting messages here on the forums. It's all well and good to have a vision of how the mission is meant to be played and what kind of community you want, but as you said yourself, you haven't played so much lately. For those of us who do, it gets very frustrating very quickly.

 

Well, I haven't played very often lately because it's getting frustrating, mate. Players who teamkilled and bombed their airbases are still banned. Those remain banned! They didn't even reach out to me on the forums because they're probably not there anyway or just don't care at all. They'll just find another server where they can unleash their attitude again.

Reports about teamkilling like that are one thing and are important, while the messages I've been receiving lately are something else.

 

The EWR F-5 player will receive a last warning.

[Tavo89]

My first kill, Viggen x1. 

 

[Miccara]

1 hour ago, rossmum said:

Generally speaking, if one person is persistently doing something they know will make the other team miserable, they know full well what they're doing and will take a warning as encouragement if anything. This (along with people just randomly teamkilling friendly units for hours on end, bombing own airfields, etc.) is why people have asked for active moderation in the past and is why you end up getting messages here on the forums. It's all well and good to have a vision of how the mission is meant to be played and what kind of community you want, but as you said yourself, you haven't played so much lately. For those of us who do, it gets very frustrating very quickly.

I get it, but kinda disagree. It's within the parameters of the game and something that would be done even in real battles. Work a plan and stop him. Not having GCI to counter the actions by guiding aircraft to keep him occupied, and to shut down Hawk and EWR's when they are being hunted, and have the helicopters out dropping replacements is the greater fault. 

Edited August 16, 2021 by Miccara

[rossmum]

If it's happening when the server's populated and teams are about even, I'd agree. I have previously said the same thing about defending airfields versus the "no bombing runways" rule.

 

On the other hand, people who single-mindedly go for this or that critical part of one team's infrastructure generally don't do it when there's a risk of them actually being intercepted. It can be a fun thing to have to protect your radar or airbase normally, but when you join the server and it's already been destroyed, where's the fun? Where's the challenge? Not everyone has helicopters to fly out a replacement, and if the teams are imbalanced, it can be impossible to even leave the FARP without being shot down.

[Zachrix]

1 hour ago, Tavo89 said:

My first kill, Viggen x1. 

 

Congratz!

[Zachrix]

2 hours ago, Alpenwolf said:

 

The thing is, this has never been an issue on the server. NEVER! All it takes is one guy and here we are talking about it. And you're wrong, it doesn't take that long to set up EWR's. 1-2 minutes to start up your Mi-8 or UH-1 (maybe 3 minutes for Mi-8's), 30-60 seconds to pick up the EWR crate (sometimes even quicker than that - depends on the player) and 2-3 minutes to carry it outside the FARP's/airbase's parameter to deploy it. It really is is just a couple of minutes. There's always been helicopter pilots willing to do that or deploy anything else of high impotance. I guess, with the one player ruining it for them like that made it less incentive to do the job.

 

If you or anyone else see him doing that again on the server, just warn him, please. Otherwise, and once again, I'm forced to react -__-

 

The primary issue with this is the fact that we are doing this, on Two Towns when I was speaking with you we did this a total of 5 TIMES. The FARP was being obliterated and in addition once the job was DONE, it got taken out instantaneously (within 3 minutes of placement). It's just not as simply as it potentially CAN BE. It also really is not as simple as being able to just 'stop' it. After all, only if we had all aspects only then could that argument be made. (Not saying we should have all-aspects just that it is a prerequisite for being able to stop that)

Edited August 16, 2021 by Zachrix

[Tavo89]

47 minutes ago, Zachrix said:

Congratz!

Thanks. 

[BodyOrgan]

4 hours ago, Alpenwolf said:

 

Well, I haven't played very often lately because it's getting frustrating, mate. Players who teamkilled and bombed their airbases are still banned. Those remain banned! They didn't even reach out to me on the forums because they're probably not there anyway or just don't care at all. They'll just find another server where they can unleash their attitude again.

Reports about teamkilling like that are one thing and are important, while the messages I've been receiving lately are something else.

 

The EWR F-5 player will receive a last warning.

As someone who focuses on your mission goals as opposed to playing air quake, I agree with his tactic. I will take out the EWRs if it means mission success. Especially if CAP impedes my goal.

 

There appears to be more and more unspoken rules continually put in place to support the air quake effort, so going forward I will join your server when I feel like some air quake, and not concern myself with the briefing.

[MMI_Grim]

On 8/14/2021 at 1:46 AM, Alpenwolf said:

 

I don't know what else to tell you or what to do. The game itself, sometimes, gives an admin enough trouble to deal with. And nowadays, it's players as well! All the pm's, the complaints, the reports, etc., I mean, you guys don't see that. It's literally keeping me away from multiplayer. I find myself doing more single player these days. It's really quite there. And I missed things being more quite, I guess.

 

Hey man, Im quite new to DCS and your server his the main reason I enjoy it so much. So thank you for keeping it up despite the problems! You are the man!

[Alpenwolf]

6 hours ago, BodyOrgan said:

...

There appears to be more and more unspoken rules continually put in place to support the air quake effort, so going forward I will join your server when I feel like some air quake, and not concern myself with the briefing.

 

Yeah, I better write a whole book of rules! Might become a bestseller too.

 

All servers have the same rules more or less; Don't teamkill, use comms (SRS/TS/Discord/etc.), then there is the politically correct part of it; Be nice to each other, don't swear, etc. Nothing else is really needed, unless players start causing problems!

 

Attacking airbases was always a welcome option. At some point it became everyone's favourite option and mostly the only main option! Players did that, which caused frustration among other players, and I had to react. Now, take this one old example from the very first weeks and months of the server's "life span" (ACG as it was) and apply it to all the problems I've been encountering ever since. Some of you just always tend to forget who causes these major issues, which then pushes me yet again into the corner, where I have to react, knowing it will never be perfect or live up to everyone's standards. Not saying that I've ever tried to please everyone. That's just impossible and is not the issue here.

 

You of all people should know better being around the server all those years how things are changing in a very inconvenient way. Back in the day problems like this were rare. Nowadays, it's becoming some sort of a regularity! You're one of the OG's who are still around where most of them just left as I've mentioned multiple times. The admin part of me is still here, however, the player in me goes online only occasionally. Therefore, I fully understand how annoying it's become to players like yourself with rules and restrictions popping up every now and then.

 

Maybe this is like everything in life. The OG's move on and newcomers take over. And that's exactly what I meant in one of my recent posts saying, I don't know if it's worth it any more. I really don't.

[=475FG= Dawger]

5 minutes ago, Alpenwolf said:

 

Yeah, I better write a whole book of rules! Might become a bestseller too.

 

All servers have the same rules more or less; Don't teamkill, use comms (SRS/TS/Discord/etc.), then there is the politically correct part of it; Be nice to each other, don't swear, etc. Nothing else is really needed, unless players start causing problems!

 

Attacking airbases was always a welcome option. At some point it became everyone's favourite option and mostly the only main option! Players did that, which caused frustration among other players, and I had to react. Now, take this one old example from the very first weeks and months of the server's "life span" (ACG as it was) and apply it to all the problems I've been encountering ever since. Some of you just always tend to forget who causes these major issues, which then pushes me yet again into the corner, where I have to react, knowing it will never be perfect or live up to everyone's standards. Not saying that I've ever tried to please everyone. That's just impossible and is not the issue here.

 

You of all people should know better being around the server all those years how things are changing in a very inconvenient way. Back in the day problems like this were rare. Nowadays, it's becoming some sort of a regularity! You're one of the OG's who are still around where most of them just left as I've mentioned multiple times. The admin part of me is still here, however, the player in me goes online only occasionally. Therefore, I fully understand how annoying it's become to players like yourself with rules and restrictions popping up every now and then.

 

Maybe this is like everything in life. The OG's move on and newcomers take over. And that's exactly what I meant in one of my recent posts saying, I don't know if it's worth it any more. I really don't.

Your server is the best PvP experience to be found in DCS. I hope you don't stop doing what you do but I totally get why you might. 

 

I made this video from a Cold War sortie a few weeks ago. The first spoken words in the video say it all.

 

 

 

Edited August 16, 2021 by =475FG= Dawger

[Alpenwolf]

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[MarkMD]

On 8/14/2021 at 2:09 PM, =475FG= Dawger said:

I don't disagree with anything you said.

 

Winning the war while killing the server is not a winning proposition.

 

Some common sense must come into play.

 

If one player is determined to do nothing but blind the other side at the expense of the server population in general, something should be done.

 

Personally, I would ask the player to stop this behavior and if the response was anything along the lines of "If you don't like it, build the server to stop me from doing it" then I would immediately ban this person. That is the attitude that ruins the experience for everyone else and makes a server operator's life miserable.

 

Some people play purely to bring grief to others or to stroke their own egos. The easiest solution is to exclude those players from playing where this behavior is not appreciated.

 

Many DCS groups avoid this by putting their servers behind a password.

 

If we want a public server run by a community volunteer, we have to behave ourselves and support the server operator's decisions regarding those who cannot behave themselves.

I agree of what you say. 

 

I spoke to the person in question, and he was not aware of the problem that he was creating.  I spoke with him and he is within his right to keep doing what he is doing, but for the health of the server, he'll reduce the impact of his effectiveness and not purposely destroy all ewr's..

 

Last night I and another pilot came across an EWR, yes we destroyed it, and I don't have issues with it.  We don't get ewr reports in the huey, but seeing it was a bonus for us.  2x cub sites and an ewr for 2 huey's and return home was fantastic. 

 

It's the reason we enjoy this server.  

 

Mike-Delta

[MarkMD]

On 8/15/2021 at 12:40 AM, Zachrix said:

 

Because A) There are no name tags over people because we don't have a GCI 75% of the time. B) I have tried this because I am not an idiot, and my result is that after the merge he flies at mach 1.05 (which is barely catchable let alone gaining close enough separation to launch) and there is simply nothing that can be done. In addition to that we have no idea where he is because ofc, we dont have a GCI and before you know it he's gotten the EWR 

Your a great DCS pilot, you don't need the EWR or a GCI, I send my best pilots against you.  Take it as a compliment, not a critisam.  I wish you had a GCI on the RED team as dedicated as I am, it may happen, who knows.  I'm thinking of how to resolve this.  I don't like people changing sides, but to give the server the better chance of enjoyment by me changing sides troubles me.  I know what tactic's are used, how they deploy, christ, I taught most of how things should be done.  

The thing is, this happens to us on a number of occations, I've spent hours working like a dog trying to stop the waves of fighters, helicoptors, and BMP's.

I finnish in sweat, but knowing that was a great battle, not once have I ever asked for help.

 

Sometimes, life is like a box of chocolates.

 

See you in the next fight,

Mike-Delta...

On 8/15/2021 at 2:19 AM, Miccara said:

I've only been playing this game for about 3 months now. Mike-Delta has been indispensable in improving my learning curve. The guy is soooo knowledgeable, and freely shares that knowledge. Bless the man. On another note, Thank you, Alpenwolf. This is really the only server I truly enjoy. There are some real good guys (good as in decent people) playing here and the scenarios are very good (All except Allied Assault... I hate that one). I suggest you post your donation info in the Server Information of the Multiplayer selection screen. The flash message in the game not the best... goes by before I really copy down anything because I'm busy playing.

Thanks,

I'm feel hubbled.

 

Mike-Delta

[MarkMD]

On 8/15/2021 at 11:17 PM, Alpenwolf said:

 

The thing is, this has never been an issue on the server. NEVER! All it takes is one guy and here we are talking about it. And you're wrong, it doesn't take that long to set up EWR's. 1-2 minutes to start up your Mi-8 or UH-1 (maybe 3 minutes for Mi-8's), 30-60 seconds to pick up the EWR crate (sometimes even quicker than that - depends on the player) and 2-3 minutes to carry it outside the FARP's/airbase's parameter to deploy it. It really is is just a couple of minutes. There's always been helicopter pilots willing to do that or deploy anything else of high impotance. I guess, with the one player ruining it for them like that made it less incentive to do the job.

 

If you or anyone else see him doing that again on the server, just warn him, please. Otherwise, and once again, I'm forced to react -__-

I have spoken to him and advised him of the issue, he will reduce the sorties on the subject.  He didn't know that you were talking about him, it's resolved and should be better in the future.

 

Happy flying...

Mike-Delta

[Alpenwolf]

22 minutes ago, MarkMD said:

I have spoken to him and advised him of the issue, he will reduce the sorties on the subject.  He didn't know that you were talking about him, it's resolved and should be better in the future.

 

Happy flying...

Mike-Delta

 

Thank you very much! Bless you, brother.

[Dagger 2-2]

7 hours ago, MarkMD said:

I've spent hours working like a dog trying to stop the waves of fighters, helicoptors, and BMP's.

Speaking as a ground pounder that plays on red, you put up one hell of a fight man ! Likewise it can get pretty sweaty trying to hit the objectives knowing that you're online.

 

I think I can speak for most of red team about the whole EWR debate. It wasn't that we discourage SEAD in any way, SEAD is an integral part of aerial warfare it was more that the person would actively try destroy the EWRs with no fear of the consequences. For example there is now lives system (not saying there should be). You get were I'm coming form there is no fear of death or losing an airframe. Not to mention an actual 70's era f-5 wouldn't have the amazing RWR it has ingame while we only have the SPO-10 which is adequate at best. Anyways glad it has been resolved in a civil manner.

Happy hunting,

Boiler.

[Tavo89]

Dreaming

F-8J 

[Tavo89]

What are the ATC channels for Mig-21Bis on the Persian Gulf map?

[rogorogo]

vor 8 Minuten schrieb Tavo89:

What are the ATC channels for Mig-21Bis on the Persian Gulf map?

they are irrelevant (as on all MP servers btw) save for minor additional immersion.

You want to use SRS ( https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=169387 ) where you will get autodialed into all necessary channels for AWACS and EWR.
You can then trigger the automated notice by requesting "bogey dope" via quickcom-menu - ONCE (please, do never "request picture) and will receive every update AWACS/EWR has for your and can repeatedly actively ask for this also via hotkey or menu as needed.

But - the far more relevant channel is your primary radio, where - for RED you want to dial into 124.000 (coresponding channel per airframe), where you will experience some everchanging levels of actual coordination and also a human GCI (if present).

This does apply to all maps (afaik) - and is mentioned in the ingame briefings (at the bottom usually) for every mission on every map as well as at the beginning of this thread (somewhere).

The Mig "21er" might start on 251.000 on ch 0 in default (where you will find even more being ON SRS while never actually particpating via SRS), so you just dial until the SRS overlay shows you the correct frequency (rest ist automated as mentioned).

[rogorogo]

vor 10 Stunden schrieb Tavo89:

Dreaming

F-8J 

We all have many dreams, but given who the product provider is and how the Franchise was taken care of in terms of viability and cohesion until... recently.. we sometimes have to very carefull what to wish for.

While the F-4 in an early version (especially navalized) and f.. finally would be a suitable dancing partner for the "21er" we only have as a "bis" - Eagle and DCS in general tends to always go for the latest evolution in anything U.S. (and maybe U.S. market) related.
(latest example - the F-4U Corsair is an end-of-cycle Korean War version basically.. while somehow also for the Marianas map in its WWII version and thus the Pacific scenario together with... FW-190s ??)

But again - a Phantom, early would also be a true "pilots plane" and also represent and pad-out the era where things mainly "thrust" and only fly as a secondary consequence.

Excellent choice.

For the F-105.. interesting and intriguing dream.. but given how the entire Century struggled, it would be a suprise to ever see that happen.
Maybe the reason some academics try very hard to this day to document the Phantom as part of the Century series is the reason we are deprived of a suitable one to this day?

And then there is the crusader.. why oh why are we not getting this with its  interpreations of variable wing geometry but an A-7 CorsairII (the other Corsair in the pipeline) instead.

 

Anyone of the MOARFASTAHLOUDAHHMETTTAAAAHHH crowd will ripplefire SPAMRAAMs on Howling Shitwinder anyway and spare us their presence (although I am not sure that one video helped....) - and maybe get a Tomcat because of that movie with the $cientology-dwarf Leni Riefenstahl should have directed.

And those with a more refined cognitions would surely rather be drawn to a Crusader as is it unique, while the Corsair - while relevant, very relevant - never seemed to gain much popcultural affection, even among those interested in a more hands-on era and interested more in digital flying than being a digital weapons engineer.

But it is how it is (and the upcoming Falkland territory will the late Marines Harrier be a SeaHarrier by loadout flying with many things against... something.. but at least with an era correct asset pack).

Which leaves the Bronco - again suitable, excellent choice for a dream (all of them are btw). But the OV-10 is somewhat of a Unicorn. Which would usually have resulted in Eagle - maybe - "allowing" some "3rd party studio" (a bunch of guys with spare time and a dayjob) to "go hang yourself, we do not care". 

But since recently they had the ephiphany (well.. a change of ownership too) that having a cohesive concept and boxed units instead of just ignoring your paying customers unless they worship you uncritically on blood sacrifice level for "we hef produkt and u no choice tavarish" actually sells more units and makes more money (shocker.. and it only took about a decade or so for that to think in) - unsupervised unicorns are even more on the endangered species list. So I would not hold my breath, and neither should you.

I am just waiting what other ephiphanies we are to witness... like suitable CRM... knowledge managment... actual industry standards in engines, shaders... maybe even... actual knowledge- and iteration-management (I may live just long enough to see that)?

Just as they not so unwisely stay away from dogmatic territories - we will most likely never see anything near Afghanistan.. or Vietnam (airframe modules only if globally dispersed in service with many operators).

It is how it is.

P.S. And most of "us" will also get a Tomcat - because of that movie with the $cientology-dwarf Leni Riefenstahl should have directed where that awesome and not easy to fly variable geometry interceptor hookturns on agile A-4s (loosing all energy and airspeed.. but it looks cool). Also because that module is very nicely down and even supplies it own EWR-arrival to all existing modules - by making any median client go into slideshow mode if you come near one , thus brutally exposing the neglect of the franchise's core engine suite and the ommissions of its supposed curator. 

[Marduk879]

On 8/17/2021 at 3:14 PM, MarkMD said:

I agree of what you say. 

 

I spoke to the person in question, and he was not aware of the problem that he was creating.  I spoke with him and he is within his right to keep doing what he is doing, but for the health of the server, he'll reduce the impact of his effectiveness and not purposely destroy all ewr's..  

 

Mike-Delta

Im glad he showed mercy to us unimportant plebs on the server trying to spend our free time for fun which we could aswell spend somewhere else.

Please relay to him he will be in my prayers.

"I wont destroy ALL of your EWRs just some you know..."

 

Jesus fucking christ what an attitude...

 

Im sorry but i had to react. Im here hoping its just bad wording and he really understands the problem.

[Zachrix]

59 minutes ago, Marduk879 said:

Im glad he showed mercy to us unimportant plebs on the server trying to spend our free time for fun which we could aswell spend somewhere else.

Please relay to him he will be in my prayers.

"I wont destroy ALL of your EWRs just some you know..."

 

Jesus fucking christ what an attitude...

 

Im sorry but i had to react. Im here hoping its just bad wording and he really understands the problem.

He hasn't been on as of late, safe to say everything is smooth sailing and player population has returned.

Edited August 18, 2021 by Zachrix

[Get_Lo]

Jeez what did I miss