jrsteensen Posted June 7, 2018 Posted June 7, 2018 Working on a small checklist for my sim. Just want to make sure I captured everything right for CASE I landings. This is based between Jabbers and AEWs videos. If you have a correction, please state your source. Holding pattern: 2000ft, 350kts, 5nm left hand circle. TACAN to 55X, Box TACAN on HSI, Set CRS to BRC. HSI to 10nm range, RALT to 370, HUD to RALT Pattern Entry: 5nm aft, 800ft, 350kt IAS: Drop hook, set bypass to carrier, anti-skid off. Approach just left of carrier, check deck for clearance. Downwind break: 1nm forward, 3.5g to midpoint of level break. 250kts by midpoint. At 250kts, drop gear and full flaps. End turn at 1.1-1.3nm from centerline of Mother. Downwind leg: 1.1-1.3nm parallel to Mother. 600ft, Trim to On Speed, Cage HUD. Abeam (See light through aft elevators): Begin approach turn. Approach turn: 600ft, On Speed, 27-30* AOB, -200 to -300VSI 135: -300 to -400VSI 90: 500ft, On Speed, -400 to -500VSI 45 (Crossing wake of ship): RALT warning heard. Rolling into groove: Power on/off (Arrest decent), uncage hud, groove 15-18 seconds. VVI should align to crotch of ship. Call ball: <Side number>, 18, Ball (or Clara), Fuel state. Short Final: Fly ball to touchdown. Touchdown: MIL power 3 sec. Chop throttle, raise hook, fold wings, clear box. OpenHornet F/A-18C 1:1 SimPit Website :: DCS Thread Link :: Discord :: Github ::
Precog Posted June 7, 2018 Posted June 7, 2018 Nice checklist. Maybe add in bolter/goaround procedure Check out my 'real world' video series [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Ohgr Posted June 7, 2018 Posted June 7, 2018 Working on a small checklist for my sim. Just want to make sure I captured everything right for CASE I landings. This is based between Jabbers and AEWs videos. If you have a correction, please state your source. Holding pattern: 2000ft, 350kts, 5nm left hand circle. TACAN to 55X, Box TACAN on HSI, Set CRS to BRC. HSI to 10nm range, RALT to 370, HUD to RALT Pattern Entry: 5nm aft, 800ft, 350kt IAS: Drop hook, set bypass to carrier, anti-skid off. Approach just left of carrier, check deck for clearance. Downwind break: 1nm forward, 3.5g to midpoint of level break. 250kts by midpoint. At 250kts, drop gear and full flaps. End turn at 1.1-1.3nm from centerline of Mother. Downwind leg: 1.1-1.3nm parallel to Mother. 600ft, Trim to On Speed, Cage HUD. Abeam (See light through aft elevators): Begin approach turn. Approach turn: 600ft, On Speed, 27-30* AOB, -200 to -300VSI 135: -300 to -400VSI 90: 500ft, On Speed, -400 to -500VSI 45 (Crossing wake of ship): RALT warning heard. Rolling into groove: Power on/off (Arrest decent), uncage hud, groove 15-18 seconds. VVI should align to crotch of ship. Call ball: <Side number>, 18, Ball (or Clara), Fuel state. Short Final: Fly ball to touchdown. Touchdown: MIL power 3 sec. Chop throttle, raise hook, fold wings, clear box. Touchdown: Full Burner. Deployed 2004 CVN-73 VFA 136 and 131. At touchdown and wire catch or bolter they went full burn. ;) V/R, Ohgr VCVW-11 "Vapor" USN AE 2001-2015 Heatblur Tomcat Tester
jrsteensen Posted June 7, 2018 Author Posted June 7, 2018 Touchdown: Full Burner. Deployed 2004 CVN-73 VFA 136 and 131. At touchdown and wire catch or bolter they went full burn. ;)Thanks! Will update. Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk OpenHornet F/A-18C 1:1 SimPit Website :: DCS Thread Link :: Discord :: Github ::
mwd2 Posted June 7, 2018 Posted June 7, 2018 Is the speed on Holding Pattern not 250 kts? Playing: DCS World Intel i7-13700KF, 64GB DDR5 @5600MHz, RTX 4080 ZOTAC Trinity, WIN 11 64Bit Prof. Squadron "Serious Uglies" / Discord-Server: https://discord.gg/2WccwBh Ghost0815
borba_eagle Posted June 7, 2018 Posted June 7, 2018 (edited) Is the speed on Holding Pattern not 250 kts? Yes, holding are done with 250kt, need update the checklist! Another thing is that you set the hook while in the holding. The leader check wingman's hook and wingman do the same prior to left the hold. The approach for overhead in right of the mother, not left. ;) Edited June 7, 2018 by borba_eagle
Shimonu Posted June 7, 2018 Posted June 7, 2018 I believe AEW said to not align the VVI with the crotch because it was a bad habit in case you lose the HUD, which he had experience of. And in the Pattern Entry, isn't the approach to the right of the carrier? You will see it on your left but you are to the right of the carrier.
emibat Posted June 7, 2018 Posted June 7, 2018 I set the CRS 9° less the heading of the ship (angled Rwy) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
escaner Posted June 7, 2018 Posted June 7, 2018 I would add speedbrake out at the break and check autoretract after flaps full. Also perform the before landing checklist in downwind before the 180 turn. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
DowntownSIX Posted June 7, 2018 Posted June 7, 2018 Nice, appreciate it. Devils Canyon i7 4790K @ 4.9GHz |16gb DDR3 | MSI GeForce GTX 1080Ti | Samsung 860 EVO Thrustmaster Warthog | Virpil WarBRD | Virpil TM-50CM2 Grip | VKB-Sim T-Rudder Mk.IV | Acer X34A (21:9) | Oculus Rift S A-10C | AJS-37 | AV-8B | C-101 | F/A-18C | F-14A/B | F-5E | KA-50 | L-39 | M-2000C | SA342 | Spitfire LF Mk IX | UH-1H
Brun Posted June 7, 2018 Posted June 7, 2018 I set the CRS 9° less the heading of the ship (angled Rwy) I wondered about doing that as well, forgot to try it last night. Flying the pattern is very easy to do with the heading tape, so using the CRS for finals seems more useful. Guess it becomes a non-issue when we get ICLS. Asus Z690 Hero | 12900K | 64GB G.Skill 6000 | 4090FE | Reverb G2 | VPC MongoosT-50CM2 + TM Grips | Winwing Orion2 Throttle | MFG Crosswind Pedals
Brun Posted June 7, 2018 Posted June 7, 2018 Is there any reason not to set flaps to full before the break? They won't deploy until <250kts anyway and it's one less thing to worry about when it gets busy. Asus Z690 Hero | 12900K | 64GB G.Skill 6000 | 4090FE | Reverb G2 | VPC MongoosT-50CM2 + TM Grips | Winwing Orion2 Throttle | MFG Crosswind Pedals
Pikey Posted June 7, 2018 Posted June 7, 2018 The go-around pattern for bolters, hook ups and waveoffs should be mentioned because you do it a lot in practice. As far as I currently know/understand, climb to 600 as quick as possibly and turn to downwind, fitting into traffic as required. ___________________________________________________________________________ SIMPLE SCENERY SAVING * SIMPLE GROUP SAVING * SIMPLE STATIC SAVING *
Pikey Posted June 7, 2018 Posted June 7, 2018 That's merely a bindings/comfort issue. If you get into the habit of not setting things when you need them, you build a habit of "set and forget" which will catch you out sooner or later. You have 90 degrees of turn after deployment, until you need to get back on the throttle and get the boards back in. Is there any reason not to set flaps to full before the break? They won't deploy until <250kts anyway and it's one less thing to worry about when it gets busy. ___________________________________________________________________________ SIMPLE SCENERY SAVING * SIMPLE GROUP SAVING * SIMPLE STATIC SAVING *
Eaglewings Posted June 7, 2018 Posted June 7, 2018 (edited) I wondered about doing that as well, forgot to try it last night. Flying the pattern is very easy to do with the heading tape, so using the CRS for finals seems more useful. Guess it becomes a non-issue when we get ICLS.ICLS and ILS will be very Instrumental in precise line up to the deck and runway. I find it hard to see the carrier deck and the ball most times(Dark). Anyone experiencing this as well? Am wondering if there is any setting in the system option to increase lighting a bit. So I would be glad when the ICLS becomes implemented. That case 1 checklist is looking good. A very solid base to build on. Yes waver off is needed. Good job. Edited June 7, 2018 by Eaglewings Windows 10 Pro 64bit|Ryzen 5600 @3.8Ghz|EVGA RTX 3070 XC3 Ultra|Corair vengence 32G DDR4 @3200mhz|MSI B550|Thrustmaster Flightstick| Virpil CM3 Throttle| Thrustmaster TFRP Rudder Pedal /Samsung Odyssey Plus Headset
David OC Posted June 7, 2018 Posted June 7, 2018 The go-around pattern for bolters, hook ups and waveoffs should be mentioned because you do it a lot in practice. As far as I currently know/understand, climb to 600 as quick as possibly and turn to downwind, fitting into traffic as required. In one of neofightr's video's, he mentioned you climb straight out and turn left at 400 feet and continue to 600 into the downwind. I haven't tried to look this up. i7-7700K OC @ 5Ghz | ASUS IX Hero MB | ASUS GTX 1080 Ti STRIX | 32GB Corsair 3000Mhz | Corsair H100i V2 Radiator | Samsung 960 EVO M.2 NVMe 500G SSD | Samsung 850 EVO 500G SSD | Corsair HX850i Platinum 850W | Oculus Rift | ASUS PG278Q 27-inch, 2560 x 1440, G-SYNC, 144Hz, 1ms | VKB Gunfighter Pro Chuck's DCS Tutorial Library Download PDF Tutorial guides to help get up to speed with aircraft quickly and also great for taking a good look at the aircraft available for DCS before purchasing. Link
Brun Posted June 7, 2018 Posted June 7, 2018 If you get into the habit of not setting things when you need them, you build a habit of "set and forget" which will catch you out sooner or later. That explains the many occasions I've hit the deck without the hook down. Asus Z690 Hero | 12900K | 64GB G.Skill 6000 | 4090FE | Reverb G2 | VPC MongoosT-50CM2 + TM Grips | Winwing Orion2 Throttle | MFG Crosswind Pedals
David OC Posted June 7, 2018 Posted June 7, 2018 That explains the many occasions I've hit the deck without the hook down. There are also things that can help remind you here, IF setup properly using the check list. If the Hook bypass is set to carrier, like it should be when landing on the carrier, you "should" notice that the AOA indicator ON the side of the HUD, right in your face LOL, will be flashing if the hook is not down when the landing gear and flaps are deployed. i7-7700K OC @ 5Ghz | ASUS IX Hero MB | ASUS GTX 1080 Ti STRIX | 32GB Corsair 3000Mhz | Corsair H100i V2 Radiator | Samsung 960 EVO M.2 NVMe 500G SSD | Samsung 850 EVO 500G SSD | Corsair HX850i Platinum 850W | Oculus Rift | ASUS PG278Q 27-inch, 2560 x 1440, G-SYNC, 144Hz, 1ms | VKB Gunfighter Pro Chuck's DCS Tutorial Library Download PDF Tutorial guides to help get up to speed with aircraft quickly and also great for taking a good look at the aircraft available for DCS before purchasing. Link
Brun Posted June 7, 2018 Posted June 7, 2018 I think the problem is that I wasn't putting the hook down until just before the break (as I'd seen in someone's demo video) which is when I'm concentrating on my speed and altitude. Now that I know it should be done earlier I reckon I'll be much less likely to forget. I'm surprised the flashing AOA indicator hasn't caught my attention. Setting the hook bypass to carrier (and turning off anti-skid at the same time) is something I do without fail. Asus Z690 Hero | 12900K | 64GB G.Skill 6000 | 4090FE | Reverb G2 | VPC MongoosT-50CM2 + TM Grips | Winwing Orion2 Throttle | MFG Crosswind Pedals
David OC Posted June 7, 2018 Posted June 7, 2018 I think the problem is that I wasn't putting the hook down until just before the break (as I'd seen in someone's demo video) which is when I'm concentrating on my speed and altitude. Now that I know it should be done earlier I reckon I'll be much less likely to forget. I'm surprised the flashing AOA indicator hasn't caught my attention. Setting the hook bypass to carrier (and turning off anti-skid at the same time) is something I do without fail. Don't get me wrong, I make plenty of mistakes:) Trying to get in some sort of routine in on the downwind, especially a quick landing check at least, Gear and 3 green, flaps and hook, can be quite hard to juggle. It's good to do some laps and leave the hook up, if you do forget in multiplayer, just say you are doing some touch and go's. :D i7-7700K OC @ 5Ghz | ASUS IX Hero MB | ASUS GTX 1080 Ti STRIX | 32GB Corsair 3000Mhz | Corsair H100i V2 Radiator | Samsung 960 EVO M.2 NVMe 500G SSD | Samsung 850 EVO 500G SSD | Corsair HX850i Platinum 850W | Oculus Rift | ASUS PG278Q 27-inch, 2560 x 1440, G-SYNC, 144Hz, 1ms | VKB Gunfighter Pro Chuck's DCS Tutorial Library Download PDF Tutorial guides to help get up to speed with aircraft quickly and also great for taking a good look at the aircraft available for DCS before purchasing. Link
Oldfox Posted June 7, 2018 Posted June 7, 2018 May I ask something stupid? How to know the course of the Carrier ? Runway number stated by ATC over radio? Guessing the course when running upwind along the carrier?
Nanne118 Posted June 7, 2018 Posted June 7, 2018 May I ask something stupid? How to know the course of the Carrier ? Runway number stated by ATC over radio? Guessing the course when running upwind along the carrier? Normally (IRL) you would be given the carrier heading by ATC, though guessing also would work. Given the broken state of the ATC in current DCS it is of course also permissble to use the F10 map to find the heading / course of the carrier. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Groundpounder extraordinaire SPECS: i7-4790K, MSI Z97 Gaming 7, 16 GB RAM, MSI GTX 980ti, Thrustmaster WARTHOG HOTAS, Saitek Pro Combat Rudder pedals, TrackIR 5
Oldfox Posted June 7, 2018 Posted June 7, 2018 Is current ATC always stating "runway 3-6" or is it really relevant to carrier course?
emibat Posted June 7, 2018 Posted June 7, 2018 They should comunicate by radio, but sometime they give the opposite RWY I fly over it. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
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