Mnemonic Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 (edited) Seems that none of the sellers, amazon or otherwise, can ship to Switzerland, well bummer... I guess we'll have to wait and see if it pops... Edited June 15, 2019 by Mnemonic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supmua Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 Seems that none of the sellers, amazon or otherwise, can ship to Switzerland, well bummer... I guess we'll have to wait and see if it pops... Have you checked AliExpress? Ebay might be your best bet, but people will likely jack up the price at least initially. PC: 5800X3D/4090, 11700K/3090, 9900K/2080Ti. Joystick bases: TMW, VPC WarBRD, MT50CM2, VKB GFII, FSSB R3L Joystick grips: TM (Warthog, F/A-18C), Realsimulator (F-16SGRH, F-18CGRH), VKB (Kosmosima LH, MCG, MCG Pro), VPC MongoosT50-CM2 Throttles: TMW, Winwing Super Taurus, Logitech Throttle Quadrant, Realsimulator Throttle (soon) VR: HTC Vive/Pro, Oculus Rift/Quest 2, Valve Index, Varjo Aero, https://forum.dcs.world/topic/300065-varjo-aero-general-guide-for-new-owners/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mnemonic Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 Have you checked AliExpress? Ebay might be your best bet, but people will likely jack up the price at least initially. Stick is not in the hands of the people to re-sell, but official Thrustmaster shop, accepts preorders and ships everywhere around: Austria, Germany, France, Italy, but not to Switzerland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustBelt Posted June 15, 2019 Share Posted June 15, 2019 My warthog buttons are: P1-11118 (2.5 lbs, gray) for pinkie and side/index finger switches, P1-11121 (4 lbs, red) for thumb/pickle switch and P1-11122 (4 lbs, black) for paddle lever switch. You can maybe find them cheap used on ebay. If you're in the US Peerless is a cheap source, otherwise they'll set you back like €80/$90 total before tax on e.g. Mouser.com. Puts the price discussion on the Hornet grip into perspective :smilewink: Except Thrustmaster would be buying thousands not 4. So there’s price breaks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckeye Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 Except Thrustmaster would be buying thousands not 4. So there’s price breaks. The price breaks on the online warehouses aren’t much. The cheap prices can be had on random surplus on eBay, so not sure what you’ve said would be true...at least not materially true. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk VR Cockpit (link): Custom Throttletek F/A-18C Throttle w/ Hall Sensors + Otto switches | Slaw Device RX Viper Pedals w/ Damper | VPC T-50 Base + 15cm Black Sahaj Extension + TM Hornet or Warthog Grip | Super Warthog Wheel Stand Pro | Steelcase Leap V2 + JetSeat SE VR Rig: Pimax 5K+ | ASUS ROG Strix 1080Ti | Intel i7-9700K | Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Master | Corsair H115i RGB Platinum | 32GB Corsair Vengeance Pro RGB 3200 | Dell U3415W Curved 3440x1440 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustBelt Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 On Mouser it looks like $7 or so discount on the P1s @1,000. And technically that's still not a Wholesale price which Thrustmaster would be paying. I'm sure their Faux OTTO buttons still cost less, but they just don't have that great click. The 5 ways yea Thrustmasters solution is a SIGNIFICANT savings. Same with the trigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sokol1_br Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 I'm sure their Faux OTTO buttons still cost less, but they just don't have that great click. What is the issue with this "faux" (besides that "broken" in some cases) buttons? Lack of "weight" (force for operation) of spring under button cap, or lack of "click" (tactile or audible) in the tactile switch inside the button, that is the most simplify version possible of tactile switch. For one that don't want invest ~$80 in original OTTO, replace the spring and/or the tactile switch inside is not a worth option? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
memoric Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 Stick is not in the hands of the people to re-sell, but official Thrustmaster shop, accepts preorders and ships everywhere around: Austria, Germany, France, Italy, but not to Switzerland. Did you find a way to import into switzerland? I life here too, and i'm interested how to get it here. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mnemonic Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 Did you find a way to import into switzerland? I life here too, and i'm interested how to get it here. Thanks Hi, I spoke to Thrustmaster representative on FB, and he told me that this is a preorder phase, they don't plan to accept preorders / ship to Switzerland, but once the stick will hit retail (late July), he assured it would be sold in Swiss shops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
memoric Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 Hi, I spoke to Thrustmaster representative on FB, and he told me that this is a preorder phase, they don't plan to accept preorders / ship to Switzerland, but once the stick will hit retail (late July), he assured it would be sold in Swiss shops. Ah superb! :) Thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imacken Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 Can't pre-order any more on TM UK site. Item is now 'Out of Stock'! Intel i7 12700K · MSI Gaming X Trio RTX 4090 · ASUS ROG STRIX Z690-A Wi-Fi · MSI 32" MPG321UR QD · Samsung 970 500Gb M.2 NVMe · 2 x Samsung 850 Evo 1Tb · 2Tb HDD · 32Gb Corsair Vengance 3000MHz DDR4 · Windows 11 · Thrustmaster TPR Pedals · Tobii Eye Tracker 5 · Thrustmaster F/A-18 Hornet Grip · Virpil MongoosT-50CM3 Base · Virpil Throttle MT-50 CM3 · Virpil Alpha Prime Grip · Virpil Control Panel 2 · Thrustmaster F-16 MFDs · HTC Vive Pro 2 · Total Controls Multifunction Button Box Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom88 Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 Can't pre-order any more on TM UK site. Item is now 'Out of Stock'! Did you try Amazon? Patrick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imacken Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 Yep, nothing has ever shown on Amazon for this yet. Slightly annoying, I didn't pre-order as TM were going to take the full amount off my card weeks in advance of shipping the goods. Now it's out of stock! Intel i7 12700K · MSI Gaming X Trio RTX 4090 · ASUS ROG STRIX Z690-A Wi-Fi · MSI 32" MPG321UR QD · Samsung 970 500Gb M.2 NVMe · 2 x Samsung 850 Evo 1Tb · 2Tb HDD · 32Gb Corsair Vengance 3000MHz DDR4 · Windows 11 · Thrustmaster TPR Pedals · Tobii Eye Tracker 5 · Thrustmaster F/A-18 Hornet Grip · Virpil MongoosT-50CM3 Base · Virpil Throttle MT-50 CM3 · Virpil Alpha Prime Grip · Virpil Control Panel 2 · Thrustmaster F-16 MFDs · HTC Vive Pro 2 · Total Controls Multifunction Button Box Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom88 Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 Can you order from Amazon USA? I just checked,They're still available for pre-order. Patrick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imacken Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 Yes, thanks, I could do, but taxes and import duty make it difficult to justify! I presume TM will have it in stock again soon - hopefully! Intel i7 12700K · MSI Gaming X Trio RTX 4090 · ASUS ROG STRIX Z690-A Wi-Fi · MSI 32" MPG321UR QD · Samsung 970 500Gb M.2 NVMe · 2 x Samsung 850 Evo 1Tb · 2Tb HDD · 32Gb Corsair Vengance 3000MHz DDR4 · Windows 11 · Thrustmaster TPR Pedals · Tobii Eye Tracker 5 · Thrustmaster F/A-18 Hornet Grip · Virpil MongoosT-50CM3 Base · Virpil Throttle MT-50 CM3 · Virpil Alpha Prime Grip · Virpil Control Panel 2 · Thrustmaster F-16 MFDs · HTC Vive Pro 2 · Total Controls Multifunction Button Box Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom88 Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 Yes, thanks, I could do, but taxes and import duty make it difficult to justify! I presume TM will have it in stock again soon - hopefully! Ahhh,Understood:thumbup:Good Luck Patrick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chief Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 Yes, thanks, I could do, but taxes and import duty make it difficult to justify! I presume TM will have it in stock again soon - hopefully! Too bad you live way over in Cornwall. I'm in Gatwick all the time and could have just brought you one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supmua Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 It is strange to see the stick listed at Home Depot, available July 17-22. Walmart also sells these. PC: 5800X3D/4090, 11700K/3090, 9900K/2080Ti. Joystick bases: TMW, VPC WarBRD, MT50CM2, VKB GFII, FSSB R3L Joystick grips: TM (Warthog, F/A-18C), Realsimulator (F-16SGRH, F-18CGRH), VKB (Kosmosima LH, MCG, MCG Pro), VPC MongoosT50-CM2 Throttles: TMW, Winwing Super Taurus, Logitech Throttle Quadrant, Realsimulator Throttle (soon) VR: HTC Vive/Pro, Oculus Rift/Quest 2, Valve Index, Varjo Aero, https://forum.dcs.world/topic/300065-varjo-aero-general-guide-for-new-owners/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Lighty Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 Good pick-up - I doubt the date of availability being correct?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckeye Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 Both the TM website and Amazon still say July 25, but I’ve seen a number of different dates across other sites. I’m still banking on the TM/Amazon date being the best estimate for now. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk VR Cockpit (link): Custom Throttletek F/A-18C Throttle w/ Hall Sensors + Otto switches | Slaw Device RX Viper Pedals w/ Damper | VPC T-50 Base + 15cm Black Sahaj Extension + TM Hornet or Warthog Grip | Super Warthog Wheel Stand Pro | Steelcase Leap V2 + JetSeat SE VR Rig: Pimax 5K+ | ASUS ROG Strix 1080Ti | Intel i7-9700K | Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Master | Corsair H115i RGB Platinum | 32GB Corsair Vengeance Pro RGB 3200 | Dell U3415W Curved 3440x1440 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader69 Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 Just got confirmation email from Amazon that it should be delivered by the 1st week of August. OS:Win10 64bit*/MB: Gigabyte X470 AORUS ULTRA GAMING / HD:SSD CPU Type: AMD Ryzen 7 2700X 8-Core 3700Mhz / Ram:32Gb DDR4 Mon: Dell AW3418DW LCD + 3 x CUBESIM displays. Hotas : TM Warthog #4347 | #80897 | TM F/A-18 Hornet Stick / TM Pendular Rudder / Cougar MFDs / Buddy-Fox A-10C UFC / Elgato Stream Decks / Virpil T50-CM2 Base and Grip / Winwing Super Taurus | PCR | PTO / Monstechtech Desk Mounts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imacken Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 Does the Hornet stick have less buttons than the Warthog? For example, do we not lose the TMS functionality? Intel i7 12700K · MSI Gaming X Trio RTX 4090 · ASUS ROG STRIX Z690-A Wi-Fi · MSI 32" MPG321UR QD · Samsung 970 500Gb M.2 NVMe · 2 x Samsung 850 Evo 1Tb · 2Tb HDD · 32Gb Corsair Vengance 3000MHz DDR4 · Windows 11 · Thrustmaster TPR Pedals · Tobii Eye Tracker 5 · Thrustmaster F/A-18 Hornet Grip · Virpil MongoosT-50CM3 Base · Virpil Throttle MT-50 CM3 · Virpil Alpha Prime Grip · Virpil Control Panel 2 · Thrustmaster F-16 MFDs · HTC Vive Pro 2 · Total Controls Multifunction Button Box Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
backspace340 Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 (edited) Does the Hornet stick have less buttons than the Warthog? For example, do we not lose the TMS functionality? It has the same number of actions, but spread a little differently. So instead of the two 4-way hats on the Warthog, you get a 4-way+push castle hat and the rotary switch which is two-way and a push - both 8 actions but divvied up differently. The rest of the switches are essentially the same I believe. Edited July 12, 2019 by backspace340 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OxideMako Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 It has the same number of actions, but spread a little differently. So instead of the two 4-way hats on the Warthog, you get a 4-way+push castle hat and the rotary switch which is two-way and a push - both 8 actions but divvied up differently. The rest of the switches are essentially the same I believe. That, and the master mode switch (index finger button on TMWH nose) is now the recce event mark switch. But yeah, you have the same button count just different layout that would be a little awkward for the A-10C at least, as one of the hats (TMS/DMS/CMS/Trim) are going to have to be spread over multiple buttons rather than on one hat. Which one you spread out is of course up to you. That said the A-10C/F-16C that the original Warthog is based on have one of the more complicated HOTAS setups outside of stuff like the F-22/35. So at least for nearly all flight sim planes, even to DCS level they should provide more than enough buttons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imacken Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 It has the same number of actions, but spread a little differently. So instead of the two 4-way hats on the Warthog, you get a 4-way+push castle hat and the rotary switch which is two-way and a push - both 8 actions but divvied up differently. The rest of the switches are essentially the same I believe. But the castle hat (CMS) is a 4 way with push on the Warthog as well! AFAICS, we have the same trim and 'DMS' switches plus wepaon release and trigger. but the 'TMS' switch seems to have been reduced to a rotary and push. Intel i7 12700K · MSI Gaming X Trio RTX 4090 · ASUS ROG STRIX Z690-A Wi-Fi · MSI 32" MPG321UR QD · Samsung 970 500Gb M.2 NVMe · 2 x Samsung 850 Evo 1Tb · 2Tb HDD · 32Gb Corsair Vengance 3000MHz DDR4 · Windows 11 · Thrustmaster TPR Pedals · Tobii Eye Tracker 5 · Thrustmaster F/A-18 Hornet Grip · Virpil MongoosT-50CM3 Base · Virpil Throttle MT-50 CM3 · Virpil Alpha Prime Grip · Virpil Control Panel 2 · Thrustmaster F-16 MFDs · HTC Vive Pro 2 · Total Controls Multifunction Button Box Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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