F-4 add on

[upyr1]

If we do get the F-4 add one what versions fo you think should be added

[Silver_Dragon]

F-4E has in plans by Belsimtek, after the F-16

[David OC]

F-4E has in plans by Belsimtek, after the F-16

 

 

Who's Belsimtek? :D

 

 

Is that still confirmed? Seeing they are part of ED now.

[Silver_Dragon]

Who's Belsimtek? :D

 

 

Is that still confirmed? Seeing they are apart of ED now.

 

Part of ED as a develop team, but maintain your own product line.

 

And yes, confirmed.

[Evoman]

Yup so far DCS will be getting the F-4E. And that is the only version I foresee getting for sometime. You can find more details about it here.

 

 

https://belsimtek.com/news/1787/

 

 

https://belsimtek.com/news/1792/

[upyr1]

Who's Belsimtek? :D

 

 

Is that still confirmed? Seeing they are part of ED now.

do we have a release date?

[Bailee]

do we have a release date?

No, F-4E "On Hold" now.

[QuiGon]

The F-4 was on development by Belsimtek, before they merged with ED. With the merge, the F-4 development has been put on hold:

While the F-4E is still planned, we have other modules in higher priority like the Hornet, Yak-52, Mi-24, F-16, and AH-1. Focus on the F-4E will come once we clear several of these projects.

 

So, I would not expect any F-4E news for quite some time.

 

Thanks

 

 

Here are the two last dev updates from Belsimtek about the F-4 development before the merge:

https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3278678&postcount=1

https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3341529&postcount=1

[Evoman]

Thanks for posting the source and detail of why the F-4 is on hold. At least the Yak and the Hornet are mostly out of the way. But I bet there will be just as many upset folks interested in the Phantom as there are people interested in the F-16. Even though the Falcon is a great simple jet it is still not as legendary as the Phantom.

 

In the Radio Control world the new the Freewing EDF F-4 Phantom that was released early this year has become one of the top selling models for its price range of all time.

[QuiGon]

Thanks for posting the source and detail of why the F-4 is on hold. At least the Yak and the Hornet are mostly out of the way. But I bet there will be just as many upset folks interested in the Phantom as there are people interested in the F-16. Even though the Falcon is a great simple jet it is still not as legendary as the Phantom.

 

In the Radio Control world the new the Freewing EDF F-4 Phantom that was released early this year has become one of the top selling models for its price range of all time.

There are indeed many folks pretty upset about it (I'm one of them). Take a look at this thread: https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=216691 ;)

[RaceFuel85]

ED's reasons for delaying the F-4 are their own, and likely confidential.

 

The F-16 arguably will appeal to more people and fits into the framework of the existing DCS world a bit better.

[QuiGon]

ED's reasons for delaying the F-4 are their own, and likely confidential.

 

The F-16 arguably will appeal to more people and fits into the framework of the existing DCS world a bit better.

The reasons are not really confidential. The reasons are that they are already working on other modules which they want to finish first.

[Evoman]

ED's reasons for delaying the F-4 are their own, and likely confidential.

 

The F-16 arguably will appeal to more people and fits into the framework of the existing DCS world a bit better.

 

 

 

 

I can certainly understand how the F-16 would fit better with the current framework because of the new Persian Gulf map. But I bet if there was a Vietnam map it would be a close tie.

[Silver_Dragon]

The belsimtek F-4E has not a Vietnam version, has the last Lot based on a European Scenery. Yet a Vietnam Scenery has not planned, but coming a Syria map. The F-4E can match for a Israel - Arab war.

[erniedaoage]

Since the F-4E is a two seater airframe and needs a rio in someway, it could also be on hold till heatblur pushes out their F-14 with the jester ai. Wouldn't make much sense for me if they would develop their own rio ai since a lot of other stuff is also shared along some modules.

[ebabil]

i was devestated when i read f-4 has been (almost) cancelled.

it is my dream and don't care its weapons , i just want to fly it

[Silver_Dragon]

i was devestated when i read f-4 has been (almost) cancelled.

it is my dream and don't care its weapons , i just want to fly it

 

On Hold, not cancelled.

[Evoman]

The belsimtek F-4E has not a Vietnam version, has the last Lot based on a European Scenery. Yet a Vietnam Scenery has not planned, but coming a Syria map. The F-4E can match for a Israel - Arab war.

 

 

 

 

I figured it would be a late variant but that still won't matter to the majority of the F-4 customer base that either grew up around that Vietnam era or what to re-enact missions from that era. I bet if a poll were to be held of which maps people would like to see developed for DCS, Vietnam would rank in the top 3.

[Charlie-1]

The F-4 is the only thing on the current development list I would be interested to buy..What about a Tornado too!:thumbup:

[QuiGon]

Since the F-4E is a two seater airframe and needs a rio in someway, it could also be on hold till heatblur pushes out their F-14 with the jester ai. Wouldn't make much sense for me if they would develop their own rio ai since a lot of other stuff is also shared along some modules.

Jester AI is Heatblurs own tech. Belsimtek is working on their own copilot AI for the Mi-24 which they will probably use for the F-4E then as well (check out the 2nd link in my comment on the first page of this thread for more info on belsimteks copilot AI).

Edited October 2, 2018 by QuiGon

[upyr1]

I figured it would be a late variant but that still won't matter to the majority of the F-4 customer base that either grew up around that Vietnam era or what to re-enact missions from that era. I bet if a poll were to be held of which maps people would like to see developed for DCS, Vietnam would rank in the top 3.

I know it is high on my list.

[Robert31178]

I mean, the Phantom Pholks want their plane, but from a business standpoint the Viper makes more sense. It's newer so not only does it fit in with what ED has been building, but the plane is more iconic to the generation that started loving aviation in the early 90's and after......Phantoms were pictures in books to anyone in the US except for some target drones.

 

As much as I want the Phantom, I'm a product of the late 70's, I feel like the F-16 is a good pick, especially the Block 50 as it falls in line with the Hornet we received. We'll get out Rhino at some point, and I'll patiently wait it, but I'll certainly buy the Electric Jet!!!

[Capn kamikaze]

We're getting the E, but having the J would be nice too, since that was one of the versions the USN flew in Vietnam, it would be a good match to the MiG-21.

[Kev2go]

Even though id be interested in Vietnam personally Im glad they chose a later variation of the F4E.

 

 

 

the NAM era F4E's irrc didnt evne have Countermeasure dispensors. The Late model will have that directly integrated, along with modernish RWR that has alpha numeric Symbology ( IRRC itl be the same one that the A10A has)

 

 

 

PLus Mavericks and ability to Self Designate LGB via TGP will be nice to have too even knowing its basically a old school one with poorer resolution.

 

 

plus the Digitally based AN/ARN 101 navigation system is also nice improvement compared to the older AN/ASN 63 INS mechanical analog based system. Pain in the *** and time consuming because it requires a pilot to personally imput current coordinates as well as Wind Direction before even beginning the ground alignment process. Plus this new system should be more accurate too.

 

Old INS input panel

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

the new system

 

 

 

 

this site gives good overview of various subsystems and changes

 

 

http://aviation.watergeek.eu/f4c-panel.html

Edited October 5, 2018 by Kev2go

[Robert31178]

Pave Knife!!