Does a real Harrier shake?

[Vannipo]

Cause, I can fly as hard as I want, all stays smooth, Even @ max G.

Nothing is shaking. No sounds of metal inside. You know, it feels like dead. No character.

 

If it behaves in RL more shaky, pls add that in the sim. Thank you.

[Eviscerador]

Try full power at 25.000 feet and you will feel the shake!

 

At low altitude you will never reach critical speeds, but above 20k feet it is easy to reach the mach limit.

 

Or just go up and dive :)

[Vannipo]

Ok, I will try, whether there's some life in the cockpit @ high altitudes.

Just to be sure, I am not talking about flight dynamics. I mean "character in the cockpit". But, I will see...

 

Edit:

No just the camera ist shaking a bit. No sounds, no life in some parts... still a dead cockpit, sadly.

Edited October 3, 2018 by Vannipo

[ZeroReady]

I get a lot of stall shudder at high AOA and >250kts

[DmitriKozlowsky]

Enable HEAD SHIFT MOVEMENT , and /or NATURAL HEAD MOVEMENT VIEW.

Both are under OPTIONS/CONTROL/AV8BNA/View

[Vannipo]

Hmm, I am talking about a dead cockpit. Not a dead head.

[Vfa-81 Fix]

As can be seen in this video, the Harrier does shake alot during a dive, but it doesn´t rattle like you have a box of coins stowed somewhere.

I´d imagine that you hear even less wearing a Helmet.

So in my book no need to change anything.

 

[Vannipo]

After seeing this video,

I see the hard mounted camera shaking very much. So, I think they have to change it. The DCS cockpit is still dead. Or, lets say the whole Harrier is dead. Flight dynacmics is the one thing, but how the whole bird shakes @ high G is not implemented, yet. I think.

[SGT Coyle]

how the whole bird shakes @ high G is not implemented, yet. I think.

 

 

Before shaking cockpit,

 

 

Implement CW and CCW keyboard commands for the encoders!!!!!

 

For all the is holy and right with the world please!

[Vfa-81 Fix]

Before shaking cockpit,

 

LOL.

If you want to grab RAZBAMs attention you need a bigger font mate.

And exclamation marks, more exclamation marks !!!!!!!!!!! At least ten of them.

 

Oh, and cowbells of course, you totally forgot those.

[Vannipo]

Before shaking cockpit,

Implement CW and CCW keyboard commands for the encoders!!!!!

For all the is holy and right with the world please!

 

+1, I made a thread for this hotkey, too :)

 

but pls dont put it in any thread :thumbup:

[Lixma 06]

Just a bump for a 'cockpit shake' slider in the special options.

 

The Mig-21 is an incredibly immersive experience because of it.

[F1GHTS-ON]

And at the other end of the speed/height spectrum….all I can add is that when you hover in a helicopter (& the landing phase esp) the shaking is quite violent, yet in my 1 & only flight in a Harrier (passenger obviously!) the whole experience was very smooth. My flight included 40 minutes of low level thru the mountains of Wales followed by 5 minutes of “press ups” and a Ski Ramp launch – where the sensation of transition from ground to airborne was impossible to sense. I should add this was in a T-4 (Sea) Harrier so thus had the original thinner wing than the AV-8B (GR5/7/9) whose “thicker” wing, whilst providing more lift, might generate more “shake”.

 

(Back in the 1980’s the UK Royal Navy’s decision to opt for the original “thin” wing of earlier Harriers for it’s improved FA-2 rather than the newer “thick” wing of the AV-8B was partially driven by this reason (top speed M0.87 versus M0.81 – more useful for catching a Mach 0.84 Badger))

[Mech]

In that video, the camera is strapped directly to the plane. Take that into account and the shake is minimal, probably the pilot doesn't notice much off it visually. Maybe feels the vibration, but probably that's all.

[Dwarf_Hunter]

Hmm, I am talking about a dead cockpit. Not a dead head.

 

Yes, I feel the same way. This plane has no character and is very boring to play, as is the M2000. I will not buy Razbam sim's in the future.:cry:

[Mars Exulte]

'Shaking' woukd be caused by mechanical instability indicating a failure (the main moving part is the engine which should only vibrate) or by TURBULENT airflow. High Gs are not going to induce shake in and of themselves. Separation of airflow, very high AoA, etc, coukd potentially induce some more aggressive shaking.

 

Aircraft are designed to NOT shake apart or violently tremble at all times. It is detrimental, as it were. As for Harriers in general, they are not designed for the same flight regime as many fighters, the wings are shaped differently, located much higher (which improves stability among other things), and the aircraft itself is.not geared for the same kind of maneuvering.

 

I flew it quite a bit before my construction project started, and it's definitely not dead. It's just different. Exaggerated cockpit shaking may be cinematic, but it's not necessarily realistic. Imo, this is yet another 'feelz' thread with little effort into finding out what woukd actually be correct.

[westr]

Add loads of turbulence and some wind in the ME. You will get movement when turning etc.

[Marujet]

'Shaking' woukd be caused by mechanical instability indicating a failure (the main moving part is the engine which should only vibrate) or by TURBULENT airflow. High Gs are not going to induce shake in and of themselves. Separation of airflow, very high AoA, etc, coukd potentially induce some more aggressive shaking.

 

Aircraft are designed to NOT shake apart or violently tremble at all times. It is detrimental, as it were. As for Harriers in general, they are not designed for the same flight regime as many fighters, the wings are shaped differently, located much higher (which improves stability among other things), and the aircraft itself is.not geared for the same kind of maneuvering.

 

I flew it quite a bit before my construction project started, and it's definitely not dead. It's just different. Exaggerated cockpit shaking may be cinematic, but it's not necessarily realistic. Imo, this is yet another 'feelz' thread with little effort into finding out what woukd actually be correct.

 

I agree, shaking for its own sake wouldn't make it realistic. That being said I guess you can try pushing the plane to the edge of the flight envelopes to get to buckle. It was easy to do on the Albatross so perhaps OP can get that module. :thumbup: