Jabbers’ CASE III Recovery Tutorial

[Jabbers_]

It took a lot longer to make than I had planned, but it’s finally done, hope you guys enjoy it

 

[RED]

Good stuff Jabbers!

 

(Two-minute turns and one-minute legs are normally used for the pattern in the marshal stack.)

[David OC]

Thanks Jabbers

 

Awesome tutorial and funny as usual.:thumbup:

[Red Dragon-DK]

Great one. Thanks for making this :thumbup:

[Bankler]

Great job, Jabbers! Very helpful and entertaining!

[NeilWillis]

Excellent work as always Jabbers. Much appreciated.

[RudeS]

I honestly do not know why you only have 8k subs.

These are in my opinion the best DCS tutorials out there! Great job once again.

[MrReynolds]

I honestly do not know why you only have 8k subs.

These are in my opinion the best DCS tutorials out there! Great job once again.

 

Here here!

I was on holiday when the hornet was released. If I had a £ for every time I watched your case I video.......................

[Outlaw24]

Another Outstanding production, priceless!

[Fakum]

Very much appreciated sir! Thanks,

[JumpinK]

As always, nice work. Thanks, Jabbers!

[Jabbers_]

Good stuff Jabbers!

 

(Two-minute turns and one-minute legs are normally used for the pattern in the marshal stack.)

 

Interesting, I actually didnt really get my info from anywhere other than watching a current hornet pilot show me in dcs how its done. In his example he did a 30* AOB turn, which i suppose is probably closer to 1:30-2:00 and probably should have stated as such... hindsight right? I'm assuming you end up using a half standard rate turn then?

 

And for clarification is this something you gathered from documentation, personal experience, or civilian experience? And since it might be hard to read in text format, I'm in no way trying to calling you out on incorrect information :)

 

Appreciate the feedback.

[Jabbers_]

Also, thanks for all the positive feedback everyone, appreciate it, and glad you find it enjoyable!

[Flamin_Squirrel]

This is taken from CV NATOPS MANUAL NAVAIR 00-80T-105, hopefully it helps:

 

5.4.1.1 Jet/Turboprop Aircraft. The primary

tacan marshal fix is the 180° radial relative to the expected

final bearing at a distance of 1 mile for every

1,000 feet of altitude plus 15 miles (angels +15). The

holding pattern is a left-hand, 6-minute racetrack pattern.

The inbound leg shall pass over the holding fix. In

no case will the base altitude be lower than 6,000 feet.

 

It doesn't specify the 2 min turn though.

[Jabbers_]

This is taken from CV NATOPS MANUAL NAVAIR 00-80T-105, hopefully it helps:

 

 

 

It doesn't specify the 2 min turn though.

 

Right just 6 minutes. I mean, you can use standard/half-standard rate turns to do whatever you want. Unfortunately the symbology on the ADI is broken in the hornet right now, but one day it might work so you can use that to help with the timing.

[Flamin_Squirrel]

I can't remember the source unfortunately, but I do recall the same 1/2 rate turn being suggested same as RED, I think a previous RW Hornet pilot. I could be mistaken though.

 

Last time I used the ADI it worked fine; what have they done to it?!

[Jabbers_]

I can't remember the source unfortunately, but I do recall the same 1/2 rate turn being suggested same as RED, I think a previous RW Hornet pilot. I could be mistaken though.

 

Last time I used the ADI it worked fine; what have they done to it?!

 

If you line up the blocks for a standard rate turn on the ADI page, you do your turn in ~45 seconds. If you try to look at the blocks on the backup ADI... they dont move lol

[RED]

Right just 6 minutes. I mean, you can use standard/half-standard rate turns to do whatever you want. Unfortunately the symbology on the ADI is broken in the hornet right now, but one day it might work so you can use that to help with the timing.

 

CNATRA P-816

 

The holding pattern is a six-minute left-hand pattern. Unless otherwise briefed, the pattern will be flown at max conserve fuel flow or NATOPS holding airspeed. Two-minute turns and one-minute legs are normally used for the pattern. Aircraft must be established at assigned holding altitudes by 10 NM from the Marshal “stack.” Aircraft in the stack will be separated by 1,000 feet vertically.

 

You get different information from interviews or e.g. the fighterpilotpodcast.

It does not surprise me that a pilot makes his turns in the stack always at 30°:

General Holding Procedures

The basic procedures for flying a holding pattern are as follows: First, begin slowing to holding airspeed no sooner than 3 minutes from the holding fix. Next, from your holding clearance, or

published holding procedure, determine the type of holding to be used. From your heading determine the appropriate entry procedure. Upon arrival at the holding fix, note the time and initiate the entry procedure. If timing is used for the pattern vice DME, note the time wings level or abeam the holding fix whichever occurs last on the entry procedure heading outbound and on subsequent outbound orbits. Set inbound holding course in the HSI course select window. Turn inbound when the appropriate time outbound has elapsed for the holding altitude and begin timing inbound wings level. All turns in holding are made at 3 degrees per second (standard rate) but do not exceed 30 degrees AOB. Communicate entering holding, if required, once established in the pattern. On subsequent orbits adjust heading and or timing as required for winds to maintain a holding pattern track and time.

 

And yes the ADI in the Hornet is not correct (the last time i checked it).

[Bankler]

1/2 standard rate turns sounds correct from what I have heard. Though I believe you're right in that the important thing is just flying in a way so that you hit your time mark.

 

Source: https://www.fighterpilotpodcast.com/podcast/015-night-carrier-landings/ (Time 23:24)

[Jabbers_]

CNATRA P-816

 

 

 

You get different information from interviews or e.g. the fighterpilotpodcast.

It does not surprise me that a pilot makes his turns in the stack always at 30°:

 

 

And yes the ADI in the Hornet is not correct (the last time i checked it).

 

Ah interesting, thanks for sharing, I must have missed that line :)

 

Ya its interesting reading the stuff, learning it and then hearing it from a real pilot whos done it, seems like some of the stuff goes out the window.

 

I was going to put this blurb in my video and cut it out at the last moment for time and to not stir possible controversy... But I think its a valid point none the less

 

What I think happens sometimes in the DCS community is because we only really have the book to go by we assimilate that knowledge and it becomes the gold standard. We tend to follow it to the T and do not deviate. But what I’ve noticed talking to in training, current or ex navy pilots is that it is a lot like going to college and then getting a job in the real world. You go to school, learn things by the book and when you enter the real world you realize things aren’t done exactly like you learned, there are variations, adaptations and and transformations of those processes to fit variables that were not available or expected in school. That’s not to say that learning it by the book is a bad thing, but I think some of us get hung up sometimes on the perfection from training rather than feeling things out and just getting things done. I bet if you looked at a holding pattern for a CASE III from above, and there were a few aircraft in the pattern it would look a little something like this…

 

<Silly animation of planes doing silly things in a pattern but leaving on time>

 

Ok, that’s probably a slight exaggeration, but hopefully you get my point. No one is gonna judge you on how exact your holding pattern work is if you put it on the boat safely and when you were told. So do what you need to do in the pattern at your altitude to make sure you get to the end of the circuit at your push time and everything will be fine.

 

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[RED]

Ah interesting, thanks for sharing, I must have missed that line :)

 

Ya its interesting reading the stuff, learning it and then hearing it from a real pilot whos done it, seems like some of the stuff goes out the window.

 

I was going to put this blurb in my video and cut it out at the last moment for time and to not stir possible controversy... But I think its a valid point none the less

 

Yeah and if you keep your altitude, don't wonder off and make the timing there will be no questions asked. So it is really just a minor thing in the whole process.

[Jabbers_]

Yeah and if you keep your altitude, don't wonder off and make the timing there will be no questions asked. So it is really just a minor thing in the whole process.

 

Agreed! Get on the deck and dont kill anyone :)

[BoneDust]

Also, thanks for all the positive feedback everyone, appreciate it, and glad you find it enjoyable!

 

Great video man.

[Jabbers_]

I didnt see Comms for Tanker in briefing?

 

Wrong thread? Or am I missing something?

[Vitormouraa]

Another great video!