Bad Idea Hat Posted October 30, 2018 Posted October 30, 2018 Yeah, I don't really understand where that comes from. I had no balancing issues on my mind when I started this thread. :dunno: I understand where you're coming from, but I'm going to be worried that there's going to be a lot of server admins who ban the Tomcat out of hand. Well, kind of worried, because the ones who don't (and PvE) will get the Tomcat aviators.
RaceFuel85 Posted October 30, 2018 Posted October 30, 2018 There's already going to be enough servers that ban the Aim-54 on a knee jerk reaction to keep the RussaBoos happy
Banzaiib Posted October 30, 2018 Posted October 30, 2018 Wow. It's a simple request. It's a logical request: Can we have the option for human only RIO's on multiplayer servers? I don't understand the hostility toward this request. I'm looking at you, umkhunto. Calling it the single dumbest request is extremely rude.
WarHawk72 Posted October 30, 2018 Posted October 30, 2018 He/she is just asking for the option to run or not to run "Jester" on their server and that's fair enough. Only problem i can see is if you have six F-14 slots and the pilot role is taken, then they will have to wait for a RIO to join them to use it. The ones with friends that are joining will wait and the others that are randoms will get bored and leave if no RIO's or flood chat with "please join me as a RIO" messages. But that aside it's his/her server and if he/she wish's to have a "no jester" server function i don't see the problem. After all if you don't like it don't join it.
Xenovia Posted October 30, 2018 Posted October 30, 2018 Or you know... just switch into the RIO seat yourself and double the work load. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Schmidtfire Posted October 30, 2018 Posted October 30, 2018 Im sure that managing Jester properly will be a skill of it's own. People are way overobsessing about PvP and balance.
Steel Jaw Posted October 30, 2018 Posted October 30, 2018 Oh excellent. ..and I was worried Air Quake would bypass the Tomcat.:P "You see, IronHand is my thing" My specs: W10 Pro, I5/11600K o/c to 4800 @1.32v, 64 GB 3200 XML RAM, Red Dragon 7800XT/16GB, monitor: GIGABYTE M32QC 32" (31.5" Viewable) QHD 2560 x 1440 (2K) 165Hz.
WarHawk72 Posted October 31, 2018 Posted October 31, 2018 Im sure that managing Jester properly will be a skill of it's own. People are way overobsessing about PvP and balance. As long as he buys me a drink after a day of flying i'm happy.
StandingCow Posted October 31, 2018 Posted October 31, 2018 This thread: 5900X - 32 GB 3600 RAM - 1080TI My Twitch Channel ~Moo
umkhunto Posted October 31, 2018 Posted October 31, 2018 See, now you're going to lay in bed thinking about the amazing strategizing that could go down if SATAL gets "creative" with their rules next year. God damn you!
Nero.ger Posted October 31, 2018 Posted October 31, 2018 The more control we give to server admins the better. Same applies to mission designers. If we can make it possible, yes, please. the discussion could end right there. Your server your rules, your mission your rules, Dont like a servers rules? Dont play on that server, simple 'controlling' the Ka50 feels like a discussion with the Autopilot and trim system about the flight direction.
Schmidtfire Posted October 31, 2018 Posted October 31, 2018 Or just don't host a server if a Jester AI is such an issue? Heatblurs module, Heatblurs rules...
Shadoga Posted October 31, 2018 Posted October 31, 2018 Or you know... just switch into the RIO seat yourself and double the work load. If I recall the feature list correctly, that is planned to not be possible in multiplayer - only in single player. Multiplayer is planned to be only either Jester or client RIO, but no seat switching for the pilot client and no basic AI "Autopilot" while in the rear cockpit. I don't get the reason for this exclusion, IMHO it should remain selectable (here: by server admin) for all game modes, equal to the Jester switching option discussed here. Sorry for OT.
Flamin_Squirrel Posted October 31, 2018 Posted October 31, 2018 If I recall the feature list correctly, that is planned to not be possible in multiplayer - only in single player. Multiplayer is planned to be only either Jester or client RIO, but no seat switching for the pilot client and no basic AI "Autopilot" while in the rear cockpit. I don't get the reason for this exclusion, IMHO it should remain selectable (here: by server admin) for all game modes, equal to the Jester switching option discussed here. Sorry for OT. I'm only theorizing, but MP seat switching (not being possible) might be a DCS limitation rather than something HB chose to disable.
Dino Might Posted November 1, 2018 Posted November 1, 2018 I'm only theorizing, but MP seat switching (not being possible) might be a DCS limitation rather than something HB chose to disable. Not an issue in the gazelle.
MrDieing Posted November 1, 2018 Posted November 1, 2018 Not an issue in the gazelle. The Gazelle effectively is one cockpit and you just switch views, you can control all the controls the co-pilot uses from the pilot seat if you want to. Not so easy in a front-backseat configuration is it? Hence the reason the L-39, C-101 and Hawk do not have it. ''Greed is a bottomless pit which exhausts the person in an endless effort to satisfy the need without ever reaching satisfaction.'' Erich Fromm
Dino Might Posted November 1, 2018 Posted November 1, 2018 The Gazelle effectively is one cockpit and you just switch views, you can control all the controls the co-pilot uses from the pilot seat if you want to. Not so easy in a front-backseat configuration is it? Hence the reason the L-39, C-101 and Hawk do not have it. Agreed, and I'm sure there are multiple reasons for doing so, bit I think a dev could make all controls available like in the gazelle if they chose to do so. Not sold on it being a DCS engine limitation vs a conscious dev decision to not build their module that way to prevent crosstalk between the seat controls.
Flamin_Squirrel Posted November 1, 2018 Posted November 1, 2018 You're talking as if it's something they can do but chose not to. Maybe that's the case, but, if this isn't even something that's possible in ED aircraft I doubt it would be straightforward.
Greekbull Posted November 1, 2018 Posted November 1, 2018 There shouldn't be a way to turn off Jester. One, you can't fight the plane period without a RIO so it would be needed. Two, they've already stated that a Human RIO will most certainly be more competent than Jester so it isn't an advantage at all to have Jester assisting the pilot. AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D | ASUS Crosshair Hero X670E | 64GB G Skill Trident Z DDR5 6000 | Nvidia RTX 4090 FE| Samsung EVO Plus 6 TB M.2 PCIe SSDs | TM Hornet Stick/WinWing Hornet Throttle and MIP | VPForce Rhino FFB Base | TM TPR Rudder Pedals W/Damper | Varjo Aero/Pimax Crystal | NeoEngress NACES Seat VFA-25 Fist of the Fleet Carrier Strike Group One(CSG-1) Discord
QuiGon Posted November 1, 2018 Author Posted November 1, 2018 There shouldn't be a way to turn off Jester. One, you can't fight the plane period without a RIO so it would be needed. Two, they've already stated that a Human RIO will most certainly be more competent than Jester so it isn't an advantage at all to have Jester assisting the pilot. As I said before: It's not about balancing. For me it is about creating human only events, where artifical assistants are not allowed, no matter if they are better or worse than human pilots/RIOs. Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing!
Lieuie Posted November 2, 2018 Posted November 2, 2018 If I remember correctly it was mentioned by Heatblur that the pilot can't jump in the back seat in multiplayer. If that's true and jester AI is banned you won't be able to even start the aircraft.
mcfleck Posted November 2, 2018 Posted November 2, 2018 If I remember correctly it was mentioned by Heatblur that the pilot can't jump in the back seat in multiplayer. If that's true and jester AI is banned you won't be able to even start the aircraft. It seems some of you guys are still not understanding what the OP intended in the first place. He wants to make a server, where you have to bring your own human RIO if you want to fly the Tomcat. Dont have a human RIO? Fly another plane. If it fits in his general mission concept or not, is not ours to decide. At least for me it seems to be a valid question, although I am really looking forward seeing Jester in action and I am sure I will rely on him very often.
launchedsquid Posted November 2, 2018 Posted November 2, 2018 There shouldn't be a way to turn off Jester. One, you can't fight the plane period without a RIO so it would be needed. Two, they've already stated that a Human RIO will most certainly be more competent than Jester so it isn't an advantage at all to have Jester assisting the pilot. If a human RIO is more competent than JESTER why do you have a problem with servers being able to block JESTER and force humans?
QuiGon Posted November 2, 2018 Author Posted November 2, 2018 It seems some of you guys are still not understanding what the OP intended in the first place. He wants to make a server, where you have to bring your own human RIO if you want to fly the Tomcat. Dont have a human RIO? Fly another plane. If it fits in his general mission concept or not, is not ours to decide. At least for me it seems to be a valid question, although I am really looking forward seeing Jester in action and I am sure I will rely on him very often. Thanks, that's exactly what I'm trying to say. And I'm also looking forward to see JESTER in action and I'm sure he will be a great lad and will make the sim even more immersive, but there are some scenarios in multiplayer where I don't want AIs in the equation and prefer to have humans only. If a human RIO is more competent than JESTER why do you have a problem with servers being able to block JESTER and force humans? Because sometimes I want to fight with or against humans and their human skills only, without an AI between them. That's the point of multiplayer for me. When I want to play with AI, I play singleplayer. Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing!
Deano87 Posted November 2, 2018 Posted November 2, 2018 I’ve been going back and forth about this in my head for the last couple of days and I think part of the big reaction to this is the word “ban” in the title. I think maybe suggesting it as a “server option to disable Jester AI” would be a been better. Anyway I think ultimately it’s probably a good idea to allow servers to dictate Jester use. I’d hope that most servers would allow it but then it would allow servers to police it if people feel Jester is OP. Also it would be cool to know that if you see an F-14 it’s two people flying it. Proud owner of: PointCTRL VR : Finger Trackers for VR -- Real Simulator : FSSB R3L Force Sensing Stick. -- Deltasim : Force Sensor WH Slew Upgrade -- Mach3Ti Ring : Real Flown Mach 3 SR-71 Titanium, made into an amazing ring. My Fathers Aviation Memoirs: 50 Years of Flying Fun - From Hunter to Spitfire and back again.
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