Lange_666 Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 (edited) While flying around in the Hornet i noticed that the game sometimes stuttered slightly in the same way as it would do when the FPS dives below the VSync threshold. So i took the FPS counter at hand and yes, my assumption was correct. So i did comparison test between the F/A-18C and the A-10C. Created a test mission, landing at Kutaisi and then after landing taxi to the end of the runway and there turn left, taxi halfway, stop and look left. The mission contains nothing but one non-loaded aircraft and for the rest plain DCS World, no extra objects. The difference between the two is the object count for the same mission, same world, only different aircraft. A-10C Landing: FPS = 143 F/A-18C Landing: FPS = 124 (so a difference of around 20, object count in this view is +/- the same). A-10C Taxi: FPS = 124 (the object count here is around 400). If i look forward, the FPS still sits around the same 124. F/A-18C Taxi: FPS = 56 !!! (the FPS drops right to below 60, if you wait a bit the object in this spot goes up to 1800 !!! so the difference is the object count which has a hugh impact on FPS, the difference between sitting in the A-10C or the F/A-18C is almost 70!!!) If i look forward here, the FPS rises up to around 72. Now, in the images before touching the ground the difference is only +/- 20 FPS, however once landed the difference goes up to +70 for the same spot. Why? Settings: Edited November 10, 2018 by Lange_666 Win11 Pro 64-bit, Ryzen 5800X3D, Corsair H115i, Gigabyte X570S UD, EVGA 3080Ti XC3 Ultra 12GB, 64 GB DDR4 G.Skill 3600. Monitors: LG 27GL850-B27 2560x1440 + Samsung SyncMaster 2443 1920x1200, HOTAS: Warthog with Virpil WarBRD base, MFG Crosswind combat pedals, TrackIR4, Rift-S. Personal Wish List: A6 Intruder, Vietnam theater, decent ATC module, better VR performance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano87 Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 Seconded! I noticed this same phenomenon and posted a thread about it here: https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=220263 Proud owner of: PointCTRL VR : Finger Trackers for VR -- Real Simulator : FSSB R3L Force Sensing Stick. -- Deltasim : Force Sensor WH Slew Upgrade -- Mach3Ti Ring : Real Flown Mach 3 SR-71 Titanium, made into an amazing ring. My Fathers Aviation Memoirs: 50 Years of Flying Fun - From Hunter to Spitfire and back again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knock-Knock Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 I have experienced similar in the past, but wasnt tied to the Hornet. Ive had it happen in the Viggen too. Doesnt happen every time either for me. Happened to a friend of mine too. And after a rearm/refuel and taking off, fps would be normal again. - Jack of many DCS modules, master of none. - Personal wishlist: F-15A, F-4S Phantom II, JAS 39A Gripen, SAAB 35 Draken, F-104 Starfighter, Panavia Tornado IDS. | Windows 11 | i5-12400 | 64Gb DDR4 | RTX 3080 | 2x M.2 | 27" 1440p | Rift CV1 | Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS | MFG Crosswind pedals | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttoPus Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 I noticed this too. I think that the WIP nature of the Hornet has something to do with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ala12Rv-watermanpc Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 It happens to me when in certain places in Caucasus though not sure if it's something elese...when near kutaisi, there is a spot that seems to cause that drop, when I fly in a different place its gone... Take a look at my MODS here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano87 Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 Ffs moved to game performance again?!!! This is a hornet issue only for me.:mad: Proud owner of: PointCTRL VR : Finger Trackers for VR -- Real Simulator : FSSB R3L Force Sensing Stick. -- Deltasim : Force Sensor WH Slew Upgrade -- Mach3Ti Ring : Real Flown Mach 3 SR-71 Titanium, made into an amazing ring. My Fathers Aviation Memoirs: 50 Years of Flying Fun - From Hunter to Spitfire and back again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yogipol Posted November 10, 2018 Share Posted November 10, 2018 (edited) The scenario described by Lange_666 is known for me every time I land in Novorossiysk for rearming and refueling. Recently I got new rig and every single module (exept Mig-21) runs really nicely in VR. I hoped to see some improvement regarding to FPS drops and stutters I experience after landing the Hornet but, the problem seems to be more related to game code as I see. Just to let you know, the game in VR becomes almost unplayable after landing. P.S. Thread should be moved to F-18C Hornet section not A-10C... Edited November 10, 2018 by yogipol HP Reverb, Intel I7 9700K, Zotac GTX 2080Ti, 32GB Ram @4000Mhz Corsair, SDD M.2 500GB Samsung 970 PRO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lange_666 Posted November 10, 2018 Author Share Posted November 10, 2018 Ffs moved to game performance again?!!! This is a hornet issue only for me.:mad: LOL yeah they moved it to the A-10C performance. LOL. Clearly didn't read the post because there's nothing wrong with the A-10C. Win11 Pro 64-bit, Ryzen 5800X3D, Corsair H115i, Gigabyte X570S UD, EVGA 3080Ti XC3 Ultra 12GB, 64 GB DDR4 G.Skill 3600. Monitors: LG 27GL850-B27 2560x1440 + Samsung SyncMaster 2443 1920x1200, HOTAS: Warthog with Virpil WarBRD base, MFG Crosswind combat pedals, TrackIR4, Rift-S. Personal Wish List: A6 Intruder, Vietnam theater, decent ATC module, better VR performance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano87 Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 ADMIN please stick this back into the F-18 BUGS FORUM. Its related to the F-18. Proud owner of: PointCTRL VR : Finger Trackers for VR -- Real Simulator : FSSB R3L Force Sensing Stick. -- Deltasim : Force Sensor WH Slew Upgrade -- Mach3Ti Ring : Real Flown Mach 3 SR-71 Titanium, made into an amazing ring. My Fathers Aviation Memoirs: 50 Years of Flying Fun - From Hunter to Spitfire and back again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vitormouraa Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 I hear you guys! I have a huge performance drop in the Hornet. Especially if shadows are on. SplashOneGaming Discord https://splashonegaming.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano87 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 Bump - please move this back to the Hornet bug forum where it belongs. Lange : I suggest you swap the order of the images so the Admin sees the Hornet cockpit first and doesn’t instantly assume it’s a Hog issue. Proud owner of: PointCTRL VR : Finger Trackers for VR -- Real Simulator : FSSB R3L Force Sensing Stick. -- Deltasim : Force Sensor WH Slew Upgrade -- Mach3Ti Ring : Real Flown Mach 3 SR-71 Titanium, made into an amazing ring. My Fathers Aviation Memoirs: 50 Years of Flying Fun - From Hunter to Spitfire and back again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lixma 06 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 It's not limited to the Hornet - I've been experiencing similar massive drops in performance in and around airports. One mission it will be fine - then reload the same mission and the FPS drops like a stone until you fly away from the airfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeroReady Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 JFC I've been flying DCS for 700 hours at 19-24 FPS. Is it really that bad when your frames drop from 100+ to 50+ ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano87 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 JFC I've been flying DCS for 700 hours at 19-24 FPS. Is it really that bad when your frames drop from 100+ to 50+ ? VR is unplayable (headache and nausea inducing) under 45 FPS so when you are at about 60-70 on landing and then on touchdown it goes down to 20-30 then yes it’s bad.:puke: Proud owner of: PointCTRL VR : Finger Trackers for VR -- Real Simulator : FSSB R3L Force Sensing Stick. -- Deltasim : Force Sensor WH Slew Upgrade -- Mach3Ti Ring : Real Flown Mach 3 SR-71 Titanium, made into an amazing ring. My Fathers Aviation Memoirs: 50 Years of Flying Fun - From Hunter to Spitfire and back again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano87 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 Thanks to the mod who moved this back to the Hornet Bugs Forum!!! :thumbup: Proud owner of: PointCTRL VR : Finger Trackers for VR -- Real Simulator : FSSB R3L Force Sensing Stick. -- Deltasim : Force Sensor WH Slew Upgrade -- Mach3Ti Ring : Real Flown Mach 3 SR-71 Titanium, made into an amazing ring. My Fathers Aviation Memoirs: 50 Years of Flying Fun - From Hunter to Spitfire and back again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
=OPS=Slider Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 Oh well, I see it's a serious issue. I've experienced the same FPS drops as Vitormouraa. Huge FPS drop with shadows turned on (only low, but still big performance impact). With literally everything set to low and off (because I didn't know what else I could do, unless I turned off the shadows), FPS around 50-60 on the ground in the Hornet of course, on vJAG aerobatic server. After take off back to 150-170FPS. Actually the same is still happening on single player. Also as we are still talking about FPS in the Hornet. Recently for unknown reason my RAM usage went from 5GBs to 10GBs, causing really unstable FPS going from 90 to 20 every 0.5 seconds. Then RAM went back to ~5GBs and everything was back to normal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bootis Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 FPS Display I am new here so pardon my ignorance. Where/how is the (FPS) data displayed? Is this data displayed in real-time somewhere during flight? Thanks! HL ___________________________________________________ Windows 10 64 Bit - Asus 990FX Sabertooth MB - AMD FX8150 Black 8 Core CPU - Corsair Vengeance DDR3 1600 16 Gigabyte - Samsung 860 EVO 500GB HD - EVGA GEFORCE GTX-1070 - Corsair 1050 Gold PS - Vizio 43" 4K UHD Monitor - CH Fighter Stick - CH Pro Rudder Pedals - CH Pro Throttle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fisherman82 Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 I am new here so pardon my ignorance. Where/how is the (FPS) data displayed? Is this data displayed in real-time somewhere during flight? Thanks! HLThere is a command for it, i think its Ralt+Rshift+Pause. At least I have it mapped like that if I remember correct. It displays in the upper left corner. Skickat från min D5503 via Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
=OPS=Slider Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 RAlt+Pause/Break is enough. The rest as Fisherman82 said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sea2sky Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 Hornet vs Hog - 30% drop in fps on Hormuz in VR Guys, I have this basic mission attached. Two planes at the same location. A-10C gives me 80-90 fps while Hornet 50-60 only. That is about 30% drop in fps. I'm just wondering if anybody else has the same result. Can you try it? Any ideas why hornet is so much more fps hungry?perf.miz i5-9600K@4.8GHz ★ 32Gb DDR4 ★ Asus TUF rtx3080 OC ★ Quest Pro ★ Warthog on Virpil base Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yogipol Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 Yep, I’m not happy about Hornet performance in overall as well. I’m having a lot of stutters after landing on airstrips...and not a single word from ED if the issue well know or not. HP Reverb, Intel I7 9700K, Zotac GTX 2080Ti, 32GB Ram @4000Mhz Corsair, SDD M.2 500GB Samsung 970 PRO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noisy_lightning Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 Guys, I have this basic mission attached. Two planes at the same location. A-10C gives me 80-90 fps while Hornet 50-60 only. That is about 30% drop in fps. I'm just wondering if anybody else has the same result. Can you try it? Any ideas why hornet is so much more fps hungry?If I am not mistaken the quality in both textures and polygon count on the Hornet Cockpit are far higher than the A10 which would probably be a big reason. Not sure if it's the only reason or not though. Sent from my ONEPLUS A3003 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterZelgadis Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 A-10C is a released product, Hornet is Early Access. Maybe it gets more improved during development "Sieh nur, wie majestätisch du durch die Luft segelst. Wie ein Adler. Ein fetter Adler." http://www.space-view.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hog_No32 Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 Might it also be an issue that we are comparing here a piece of software (A-10C) which was developed a decade ago against a fairly recent and ongoing development? The A-10C was built with the available hardware and technology in mind that was around at the beginning of this decade (or even slightly earlier). Hardware has evolved a bit in those ten years so I would expect you tend to build more performance-demanding software nowadays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano87 Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 Yep, I’m not happy about Hornet performance in overall as well. I’m having a lot of stutters after landing on airstrips...and not a single word from ED if the issue well know or not. We’ve already started reporting it here: https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=224392 Proud owner of: PointCTRL VR : Finger Trackers for VR -- Real Simulator : FSSB R3L Force Sensing Stick. -- Deltasim : Force Sensor WH Slew Upgrade -- Mach3Ti Ring : Real Flown Mach 3 SR-71 Titanium, made into an amazing ring. My Fathers Aviation Memoirs: 50 Years of Flying Fun - From Hunter to Spitfire and back again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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