Кош Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 Automated testing is awesome! It took me a weekend to plot DCS Su-27 turning capabilities :( Looking forward for stall and spin behavior :) ППС АВТ 100 60 36 Ф < | > ! ПД К i5-10600k/32GB 3600/SSD NVME/4070ti/2560x1440'32/VPC T-50 VPC T-50CM3 throttle Saitek combat rudder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarraceno Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 Its always good to see that they take this seriously, such an icon of the Cold War deserves no less Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bogey Jammer Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 Nice news, but… Wasn't be possible to do that work during the past two years of development of this module ? sounds like it started just after release :blink: I'll buy : МиГ-23МЛД & МЛА МиГ-27К МиГ-25 Mirage III F-4E any IJ plane 1950' Korea Dynamic campaign module Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esac_mirmidon Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 Is obvious for me that the fully automated test case tool used wasnt ready before. So the quick tests that now are possible were not available during the development process, making fine adjustments very time consuming. " You must think in russian.." [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Windows 7 Home Premium-Intel 2500K OC 4.6-SSD Samsung EVO 860- MSI GTX 1080 - 16G RAM - 1920x1080 27´ Hotas Rhino X-55-MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals -Track IR 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucky-hendrix Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 I don't really understand how they tested their FM before ? This seems the only way to d Sent from my VTR-L09 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSky Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 I don't really understand how they tested their FM before ? This seems the only way to d Sent from my VTR-L09 using Tapatalk To be fair, we're being shown the input and output states of the automated testing, not what the process entails. Building a framework like this is difficult, and if it appeared originally that the first layer effort was lining up nicely, it wouldn't be worth doing. Once they realized there were issues with the model predictions - probably around the time the original delay was announced - it was time to build something to perform more in-depth calculations based on more detailed inputs. This is all par for engineering numeric methods work based on my memory of it. In short, you don't always know what you need to build until you need it. I'm more impressed the team found enough documentation in the first place, as I cannot find hardly anything on the Mig-19 of any variant with which to compare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bogey Jammer Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 Once they realized there were issues with the model predictions MEGALOL Apparently, it didn't take that long for some forum users to notice the issues without such a tool. Let's face it, Razbam lost too much time. I'll buy : МиГ-23МЛД & МЛА МиГ-27К МиГ-25 Mirage III F-4E any IJ plane 1950' Korea Dynamic campaign module Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esac_mirmidon Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 Notice an issue and solving that issue based on data obtained from a valid observation test are diferent things. Maybe you can be more helpful next time apart from megalols comments " You must think in russian.." [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Windows 7 Home Premium-Intel 2500K OC 4.6-SSD Samsung EVO 860- MSI GTX 1080 - 16G RAM - 1920x1080 27´ Hotas Rhino X-55-MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals -Track IR 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bogey Jammer Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 What are you trying to tell ? Is there a FM issue yes or not ? Did ED delay the beta release because of this issue yes or not ? Am I still waiting for the advertised completed module before buying it yes or not ? Wait… I think that I have an answer for the last question :P Don't get me wrong, I am impressed by the massive efforts to correct this module's flaws ASAP. And their new method rocks. But I'm still far to turn into a fanboy. I'll buy : МиГ-23МЛД & МЛА МиГ-27К МиГ-25 Mirage III F-4E any IJ plane 1950' Korea Dynamic campaign module Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue281269 Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 to taxi is a nightmare you need to much thrust [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mortisrose Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 I'm more impressed the team found enough documentation in the first place, as I cannot find hardly anything on the Mig-19 of any variant with which to compare. Bottom of first post (translated title): "MiG-19S. Technical description and flight characteristics. Book 1" https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=178655 i7 7700k, 32 GB RAM, GTX 1080, 500 GB NVMe m.2 SSD, Trackir 3 Pro, Gunfighter Mk I w/MCG; Mod. TM Cougar throttle and Mod. CH Pro Pedals w/Pro Micro + MMjoy2, Nostromo n52 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HWasp Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 (edited) It is nice to see, that basically all the reported FM issues are being addressed. :thumbup: What might be a good idea for the future, like the MiG-23 coming next, is a closed beta stage! With all the apparent complexity of the FM development aside, maybe what is needed sometimes is to have more people to fly it around a bit. If some of those people have real world flight experience (and training), that does also help. :) Other than this, all real world aircraft have information in their flight manuals (as you can see it in the IRL MiG-19S manual) regarding dangerous flight characteristics like stalls and spins, and most importantly instructions to the pilot on how avoid them, and what procedure to follow once got caught in one of them. This should be included in the DCS flight manuals as well! This is just as important as the non-normal procedures for engine fire and manual gear extension etc... Edited March 7, 2019 by HWasp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hummingbird Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 (edited) Hi all thanks for the feedback, it looks like many comments are asking about stuff mentioned in the title post. I would STRONGLY recommend you please take just a moment to read the title post. A little progress report, 42 total performance test cases have been developed within the automated tool. I should be getting to performance tuning by the end of this week once I get a full picture from the automated tests. I'm particularly excited about this tool as it allowed me to do currently 42 "test flights" in less than 30 seconds of trimming routines what would probably take days of manual test flying and processing of the data. This allows a quick change of FM behavior and can instantly see the effect across the full flight envelope. Once the performance test cases are complete I'll post a current state report before making tuning so you all can see a before/after. I've read the posts Smiley, but since you havent mentioned the lack of drag in level flight, throttles cut, I just want to make sure you're aware of this? PS: Awesome with the testing tool, I have great hopes for this module :) Edited March 8, 2019 by Hummingbird Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AeriaGloria Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 Hummingbird looking at the charts nom and mil thrust will take a big hit esp at lower altitudes, might helps the speed retention in fast flight Black Shark Den Squadron Member: We are open to new recruits, click here to check us out or apply to join! https://blacksharkden.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charly_Owl Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 I'm quite curious to see how the thrust tuning will affect the approach & landing. I often found myself constantly oscillating between too much power and not enough power when on final approach. Chuck's DCS Tutorial Library Chuck's Guides on Mudspike Chuck's Youtube Channel Chuck's Patreon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RvETito Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 With the non existent drag of the 19 I personally find the landing easier than in MiG-29 in DCS right now. "See, to me that's a stupid instrument. It tells what your angle of attack is. If you don't know you shouldn't be flying." - Chuck Yeager, from the back seat of F-15D at age 89. =RvE= Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiG21bisFishbedL Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 With the non existent drag of the 19 I personally find the landing easier than in MiG-29 in DCS right now. Opposite for me. It's proven to be a challenge. Reformers hate him! This one weird trick found by a bush pilot will make gunfighter obsessed old farts angry at your multi-role carrier deck line up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HWasp Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 Opposite for me. It's proven to be a challenge. There is a sort of digital step in thrust somewhere between 9500 and 9800. If you have airbrake out during approach, that helps a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSky Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 So the patch notes today mention fixing the thrust spike in the narrow 9,000-10,000 rpm band, but did the engine modeling being demonstrated in this thread get implemented with that, or is it a separate issue? On a related now, it looks like great work so far on tuning engine thrust (whether or not it was implemented in this patch), but what about the slow flight and roll characteristics of the airplane? Are those to come after the engine tuning, or in parallel, or is anything decided there yet? Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSky Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 The specific FM overhaul performance tuning due to the tests were not integrated in this patch yet, they are almost ready but in running the automated tests it uncovered the thrust spike so that was patched in for this update Cool, thanks for the update. Good luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiG21bisFishbedL Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 There is a sort of digital step in thrust somewhere between 9500 and 9800. If you have airbrake out during approach, that helps a lot. Oh yeah, there's no landing without airbrake out. Ideally, you keep a relatively high throttle setting with the brake out and retract it if you need to go around. At the moment, I have the best success flying it like a Pa-24, though; power in and chop throttle over the threshold. Reformers hate him! This one weird trick found by a bush pilot will make gunfighter obsessed old farts angry at your multi-role carrier deck line up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hummingbird Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 How are things looking now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vatikus Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 Better but still a long way to go... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anaglob Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 Please test my amendments to FM (chassis, brakes, breakaway from the Parking lot). As well as inertia roll, pitch, yaw. I will be glad if it will be useful. It is necessary to make a backup copy of the original before replacing the file. \DCSWorld\Mods\aircraft\MiG-19P\FM https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3890327&postcount=1086 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AeriaGloria Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 The recent charts seemed to show that AB thrust is approximately right, but our nominal is too high and will be lowered. Black Shark Den Squadron Member: We are open to new recruits, click here to check us out or apply to join! https://blacksharkden.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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