JDAM instructions

[Neuse]

Is it intended that the Jdams start realigning after switching to another weapon?

[Rainmaker]

Ehm, no. Aerospace grade components

 

Having worked with said components for more than half my time on this earth, that is nothing more than a play on words to drive up costs. Same thing as “military grade”. There really is no such thing and anyone that works with the stuff in real life will tell you that.

[Harker]

Is it intended that the Jdams start realigning after switching to another weapon?

This has been debated before and it comes down to

a) it's either still WIP or

b) the electronic interface between the aircraft and the bombs on the Hornet is different from the one in the A-10C and F-16 (in both of which the JDAMs retain alignment when switching to other weapons), which causes the JDAMs to lose alignment upon deselection.

A user mentioned that the JDAM kits only have volatile on board memory and will lose alignment as soon as the power is cut. Going by that logic, in the A-10C, power is continuously applied to all the weapon stations, while the Hornet provides power to a station only if it's the selected one.

 

I personally don't know if b) is correct, I'm just saying what I read about the subject in the forums.

[jojo]

Smart weapons often need some warm up time for their electronic.

JDAM isn't only GPS, it's INS + GPS, which provides some resilience in case of GPS degradation (JDAM won't go wild but will rely on INS).

 

And INS systems need alignment.

 

Memory is another thing, and the level of detail of the simulation too.

[drPhibes]

Having worked with said components for more than half my time on this earth, that is nothing more than a play on words to drive up costs. Same thing as “military grade”. There really is no such thing and anyone that works with the stuff in real life will tell you that.

 

 

Do you work with hardware development according to ED-80/DO-254? I do.

 

 

 

"Mil spec" is usually just a term used to describe the extended temperature range for components, compared to regular consumer and industrial temp ranges. That's not what I'm talking about. I can recommend reading a bit about rad hardening and SEU performance. There's more to it than fancy ceramic IC packages.

[Rainmaker]

Do you work with hardware development according to ED-80/DO-254? I do.

 

 

 

"Mil spec" is usually just a term used to describe the extended temperature range for components, compared to regular consumer and industrial temp ranges. That's not what I'm talking about. I can recommend reading a bit about rad hardening and SEU performance. There's more to it than fancy ceramic IC packages.

 

If by that you mean tron carrying electrical components that fit in airplanes...yes...for the last 20 years.

[Wizard1393]

That is a highly inaccurate statement.

 

No it is not, unless they changed something in the latest patch.

 

Please post a track or video where a GBU-12 tracks and hits a truck moving at max speed on a road, set in the mission editor.

It will lag behind and miss by at least 100ft.

[backspace340]

No it is not, unless they changed something in the latest patch.

 

Please post a track or video where a GBU-12 tracks and hits a truck moving at max speed on a road, set in the mission editor.

It will lag behind and miss by at least 100ft.

 

Think the person you're replying to was talking about real-life, not the game, given IIRC he's a Strike Eagle pilot/WSO and has dropped them in real life.

[Rainmaker]

Think the person you're replying to was talking about real-life, not the game, given IIRC he's a Strike Eagle pilot/WSO and has dropped them in real life.

 

 

I’m not a flyer, so I don’t wanna cause confusion there. I was speaking on real life though and not sim, so 100% correct there.

[Rainmaker]

No it is not, unless they changed something in the latest patch.

 

Please post a track or video where a GBU-12 tracks and hits a truck moving at max speed on a road, set in the mission editor.

It will lag behind and miss by at least 100ft.

 

Sorry. We must have had a disconnect there. I was under the assumption you were talking real life and not sim.

[Xxx]

How do you set up a TOO that's not tied to a waypoint?

[jojo]

How do you set up a TOO that's not tied to a waypoint?

 

With targeting pod or AG radar :D

[Xxx]

With targeting pod or AG radar :D

 

Thanks!

 

So next question, any sign of targeting pod or AG radar?:music_whistling:

 

I dug out my SuperBug in P3d and sure enough, there's the AG radar! The targeting pod permits similar functionality with designate via Infra Red, TV, Low Light Level TV on DDI or HUD. Quite beautiful really!

 

 

Regards.

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[Weasel]

Thanks!

 

So next question, any sign of targeting pod or AG radar?:music_whistling:

 

I dug out my SuperBug in P3d and sure enough, there's the AG radar! The targeting pod permits similar functionality with designate via Infra Red, TV, Low Light Level TV on DDI or HUD. Quite beautiful really!

 

 

Regards.

Please see Wags latest Mini Update, there he have some news of the targeting pod

[kaoqumba]

Thanks!

 

So next question, any sign of targeting pod or AG radar?:music_whistling:

 

I dug out my SuperBug in P3d and sure enough, there's the AG radar! The targeting pod permits similar functionality with designate via Infra Red, TV, Low Light Level TV on DDI or HUD. Quite beautiful really!

 

 

Regards.

 

AG radar hasn't started yet. As for targeting pods, because the player demand is very high, and ATFLIR is difficult to achieve in the short term. The team decided to temporarily replace the pod used by A10C without sacrificing authenticity. It will greatly shorten the time required. The team plans to start internal testing of the targeting pod at the end of May. The targeting pod is scheduled to be updated in June. We need to wait until June!

[Harker]

Anyone who can chime in on whether it's realistic or not for the JDAMs to immediately lose their alignment upon being deselected, even after achieving good alignment previously?

[Jak525]

Anyone who can chime in on whether it's realistic or not for the JDAMs to immediately lose their alignment upon being deselected, even after achieving good alignment previously?

I do believe this is correct.

[Revelation]

AG radar hasn't started yet. As for targeting pods, because the player demand is very high, and ATFLIR is difficult to achieve in the short term. The team decided to temporarily replace the pod used by A10C without sacrificing authenticity. It will greatly shorten the time required. The team plans to start internal testing of the targeting pod at the end of May. The targeting pod is scheduled to be updated in June. We need to wait until June!

 

That is factually incorrect; the A/G was started a long time ago. There's even an old screenshot floating around showcasing basic functionality. With that said we haven't really heard much since then as there were other items moved to the top of the development queue.

 

We knew from the beginning the A/G radar would come much later in the OB cycle.

[Eagle7907]

From what I understand the A/G radar was delayed due to staff member leaving or some sort of logistics issue. That was mentioned sometime back last September or October I believe.

 

 

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[DeathAngel1]

From what I understand the A/G radar was delayed due to staff member leaving or some sort of logistics issue. That was mentioned sometime back last September or October I believe.

 

 

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I strongly hope that its not true. Here from DCS planed weapons and sensors from Hornet:

 

- A/G radar with MAP, EXP1, EXP2, EXP3, SEA, GMT, PVU, AGR, IRA, and TA.

 

So AG radar is on DCS roadmap for Hornet. Its main system, so I dont believe that they will cancel it. Yes, it may delay it, because they work on TGP and JSOW/GPS/INS now. But I hope in future we will have AG radar.

[Revelation]

I strongly hope that its not true. Here from DCS planed weapons and sensors from Hornet:

 

- A/G radar with MAP, EXP1, EXP2, EXP3, SEA, GMT, PVU, AGR, IRA, and TA.

 

So AG radar is on DCS roadmap for Hornet. Its main system, so I dont believe that they will cancel it. Yes, it may delay it, because they work on TGP and JSOW/GPS/INS now. But I hope in future we will have AG radar.

 

The person originally working on the A/G radar did, in fact, leave ED. That was announced a while ago. ED also stated that they have hired a person around the same time of the announcement to finish the A/G radar code.

[jojo]

On a side note, I remember of being surprised to read in Air Forces Monthly magazine that Super Hornet would be upgraded to be able to generate target GPS coordinates on it's own, I think it was around 2013-2014, and I found online stuff about the upgrade.

 

They even tested Super Hornet generating coordinates with AG radar and transmitting to Hornet for JDAM release.

 

So while you can do it, it seems that up to that upgrade, the accuracy level was assessed to not be good enough.

 

Yep, ED stated they would give us the Litening pod before ATFLIR.

Litening pod is mainly used by other operators than the US Navy.

 

Litening pod seems to be cheaper, but it isn't aircraft carrier certified contrary to ATFLIR.

[Eagle7907]

The person originally working on the A/G radar did, in fact, leave ED. That was announced a while ago. ED also stated that they have hired a person around the same time of the announcement to finish the A/G radar code.

 

 

 

That’s what I thought. I wasn’t sure if my old memory was correct or not.

 

 

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[Rainmaker]

As of now, PPx is completely independent of JDAM y station and not as per Wags' video instructions. Just select the PP you want for each target before you pickle. No multiples. It's as simple as that for now. How it's supposed to be or going to be is a mystery until further ED updates firm up their exact design intent.

 

 

I know this might have went a slight bit unnoticed considering all the other stuff thats going on...but keep in mind...ED provided us an answer to all our griping and complaining about the JDAM logic. :)

 

And oh by the way...QTY release works like it should now too ;) Program your stations, box which stations you want on release...and enjoy!

 

Kudos to them for making that 100 times better....

[Razor18]

Might be a bit off, but trying to do the stock JDAM (training) mission, if I go to F6 weapon view after JDAM release, I really see that biga** steel JDAM without any wing-like surface on it, often flying seemingly horizontal, as it would have some kind of own propulsion, totally defying physics. Is it just some temporary bug, or JDAM mimicking JSOW flypath, or?... Really unreal...