Need Clarification Please

[Raven1606688515]

Practicing my Case 1 landings and I radio that I'm inbound and it says that I (Player): Marshal, 10, Marking mom's 227 for 7, angels 0.6, state 10.5,

 

Then Tower responses 10, Tower Roger. BRC is 46, signal is Charlie.

 

Then I(Player): responses 10.

 

 

What does this all mean?

 

I know what angels 0.6 and BRC 46 means, but not sure about the others.

 

I'm a real NOOB when it comes to this verbiage. Thanks for any clarification that anyone could give me on this.

[Drag80]

:music_whistling:

[Nealius]

Mom / Mother = carrier

227 for 7 = 227, 7nm (I assume)

state = fuel state

Charlie = good to land

[Raven1606688515]

Mom / Mother = carrier

227 for 7 = 227, 7nm (I assume)

state = fuel state

Charlie = good to land

 

Thanks Nealius for the clarification on this. Now I get it. Thanks again!!!

[Nealius]

Check out CNATRA P-816 for more radio examples if you're interested. They're public domain these days.

[viper2097]

Marshal, 10, Marking mom's 227 for 7, angels 0.6, state 10.5

 

Marshal: You are talking to Marshall

10: You (your sidenumber)

Marking mom's 227 for 7: Means that your bearing is 227° (viewn from the ship) and that you are 7nm away.

Angels 0.6: You are flying at 600ft.

State 10.5: You have 10.500 pounds of fuel

 

Then Tower responses 10, Tower Roger. BRC is 46, signal is Charlie.

BRC 46: means that the runway has a bearing of 046° (not the heading of carrier). Also called final bearing.

Signal is charlie means, that you are cleared to cland (Charlie = C = Clear)

 

 

Things will get much cooler when we have the complete radio calls integrated and you also have to interact the right way.

 

From that lines, i can at least say that, for a case 1 recovery, you are too deep and behind the carrier on the right side.

 

the "correct" procedere would be to fly in a marschall pattern on angels 2 above the carrier and, when receiving Charlie, descend to 800ft for entering the case 1.

[bonesvf103]

Where are you able to get the case I pattern radio stuff to work? I did the stock case I recovery mission and the comms menu did not bring up anything new to call up Marshall or an LSO for a grade.

 

 

v6,

boNes

[Strikeeagle345]

Marshal, 10, Marking mom's 227 for 7, angels 0.6, state 10.5

 

Marshal: You are talking to Marshall

10: You (your sidenumber)

Marking mom's 227 for 7: Means that your bearing is 227° (viewn from the ship) and that you are 7nm away.

Angels 0.6: You are flying at 600ft.

State 10.5: You have 10.500 pounds of fuel

 

Then Tower responses 10, Tower Roger. BRC is 46, signal is Charlie.

BRC 46: means that the runway has a bearing of 046° (not the heading of carrier). Also called final bearing.

Signal is charlie means, that you are cleared to cland (Charlie = C = Clear)

 

 

Things will get much cooler when we have the complete radio calls integrated and you also have to interact the right way.

 

From that lines, i can at least say that, for a case 1 recovery, you are too deep and behind the carrier on the right side.

 

the "correct" procedere would be to fly in a marschall pattern on angels 2 above the carrier and, when receiving Charlie, descend to 800ft for entering the case 1.

 

The BRC is the heading of the ship, not the final bearing or heading of the landing area. During Case 1, Marshal will provide you with the BRC (Base Recovery Course) or heading of the ship to allow for proper overhead alignment. IF it were Case 3, you would get a "Final Bearing" instead of the BRC from Marshal.

Edited July 1, 2019 by Strikeeagle345

[Raven1606688515]

Marshal, 10, Marking mom's 227 for 7, angels 0.6, state 10.5

 

Marshal: You are talking to Marshall

10: You (your sidenumber)

Marking mom's 227 for 7: Means that your bearing is 227° (viewn from the ship) and that you are 7nm away.

Angels 0.6: You are flying at 600ft.

State 10.5: You have 10.500 pounds of fuel

 

Then Tower responses 10, Tower Roger. BRC is 46, signal is Charlie.

BRC 46: means that the runway has a bearing of 046° (not the heading of carrier). Also called final bearing.

Signal is charlie means, that you are cleared to cland (Charlie = C = Clear)

 

 

Things will get much cooler when we have the complete radio calls integrated and you also have to interact the right way.

 

From that lines, i can at least say that, for a case 1 recovery, you are too deep and behind the carrier on the right side.

 

the "correct" procedere would be to fly in a marschall pattern on angels 2 above the carrier and, when receiving Charlie, descend to 800ft for entering the case 1.

 

Thanks so much Viper for that clarification.

[Raven1606688515]

Check out CNATRA P-816 for more radio examples if you're interested. They're public domain these days.

 

I sure will. Thanks again Nealius. Very much appreciated!!

[viper2097]

The BRC is the heading of the ship, not the final bearing or heading of the landing area. During Case 1, Marshal will provide you with the BRC (Base Recovery Course) or heading of the ship to allow for proper overhead alignment. IF it were Case 3, you would get a "Final Bearing" instead of the BRC from Marshal.

 

Thx for clarification on that fancy detail. Did not noticed it before.

 

Is it then also pronounced "final bearing" instead of BRC?

Is the marshall pattern always on the same angels, or always as the marshall desires?

[bonesvf103]

The Marshall pattern altitude is assigned based on the traffic and what the tower assigns. Typically there is I think 1000 ft of spacing between flights in the stack, then one one leaves, the remainders drop down the 1000 ft to the next level.

 

 

v6,

boNes

[Strikeeagle345]

Thx for clarification on that fancy detail. Did not noticed it before.

 

Is it then also pronounced "final bearing" instead of BRC?

Is the marshall pattern always on the same angels, or always as the marshall desires?

 

yes, it is called final bearing in Case 3.

 

Marshal assigns the altitude blocks, with 1,000 ft spacing starting at 2,000 ft. Case 3, they start at 6,000 ft at 21 nm.

[viper2097]

Thx a lot!

 

I guess in a case 1 marshall are flights, while in a case 3 marshall are always only single aircrafts?

[Strikeeagle345]

Thx a lot!

 

I guess in a case 1 marshall are flights, while in a case 3 marshall are always only single aircrafts?

 

correct. For Case 3, each aircraft will call into marshal and get their own blocks and push times.

[BlackLightning]

Where are you able to get the case I pattern radio stuff to work?

 

I’d like to know it as well.

[punk]

Here is a pretty thorough video covering most aspects of CV Ops for use in DCS. I am not saying they are right or wrong, just that this resource is available.

 

 

 

Salute,

[Eldur]

In the first of Wags' carrier comms videos, I was wondering what a "low state" would be, but I always understood something like fuel state acoustically, but the comms line definately read "low state x.y" there. Any knowledge on that present here?

Edited July 2, 2019 by Eldur
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[viper2097]

IIRC correct, Wags flys with wingmen, so I would guess that the low state, is the lowest fuel state of the flight.

[Strikeeagle345]

In the first of Wags' carrier comms videos, I was wondering what a "low state" would be, but I always understood something like fuel state acoustically, but the comms line definately read "low state x.y" there. Any knowledge on that present here?

 

When flying in a section, you always give the lowest state fuel load when calling mother.

[bonesvf103]

So, can anyone answer where do you get the Marshall and LSO to work? I checked the comms menu and don't see anything to suggest it.

 

 

v6,

boNes

[Eaglewings]

So, can anyone answer where do you get the Marshall and LSO to work? I checked the comms menu and don't see anything to suggest it.

 

 

v6,

boNes

I believe the updated LSO communication is still being developed. What we currently hear is a foretaste of what is to come. At a point in time, there was speculations that what we hear now mistakenly slipped in one of the update.

Intended or not by ED, I think it is still work in progress hence the radio comms remain unchanged in the menu list.

[bonesvf103]

Thanks, it just seemed at the beginning of the thread that the function was there and people were using it already, even if just in OB.

 

 

 

v6,

boNes

[Eldur]

IIRC correct, Wags flys with wingmen, so I would guess that the low state, is the lowest fuel state of the flight.

 

 

When flying in a section, you always give the lowest state fuel load when calling mother.

 

 

 

Thanks for enlightening me, sounds reasonable

 

 

By the way, just on a side note - for me the ATC doesn't work anymore for ground bases since the new lines are in... anyone came across that as well?

I call inbound, then the new voice (which sounds very unnatural due to the pitch down IMHO) asks something I can't remember now, but never gets any response from the ATCs. Same for startup / taxi clearances...

[BlackLightning]

Here is a pretty thorough video covering most aspects of CV Ops for use in DCS. I am not saying they are right or wrong, just that this resource is available.

 

 

 

Salute,

 

I've watched about 20 minutes of that and I find it quite interesting, thank you.

He uses another simulator but a lot of things should hold good for DCS too.