TWS comming soon?

[Weasel]

Hey all

 

According to Wags latest Viper mini update, he stated:

 

1- We have Range While Search (RWS) and Single Target Track (STT) working, but work continues the SAM sub-mode and we are cleaning up symbology and functions. We are working on Track While Scan (TWS) mode in parallel with the Hornet, so this will come shortly after release.

 

Do I understand it right, that when TWS will be implemented into the viper, we will also get it for the hornet quite quickly as well?

[dawgie79]

That's more or less what it states, yes.

[JayBird]

Based on your interpretation of "shortly" it seems to be that way yes.

[WOPR]

We don't actually know what ED means by "in parallel with the Hornet" since they pulled 2 Hornet programmers over to the F-16 to push for the early access release.

[Shimmergloom667]

Like I said numerous times: in the end we will profit from the high commonality of systems between the Hornet and Viper. I was willing to bet we will see TWS for both arrive at once, and should have.

 

It doesn't matter ONE BIT at this point if systems engineers are switched for a short while, that's just the realities of software development. Both modules are progressing, end of story.

[WOPR]

Assumptions about software are frequently just plain wrong. Prior to the F-16 mini-update, ED's last update on TWS just said there would "be a strong push." Nothing more about when it would it could actually be expected in relation to the F-16 TWS mode. Recommend staying on topic. The only opinion offered was "not knowing" and that's not much of an opinion. End of story.

 

 

EDIT: corrected TWS update.

Edited September 26, 2019 by WOPR

[rrohde]

Like I said numerous times: in the end we will profit from the high commonality of systems between the Hornet and Viper. I was willing to bet we will see TWS for both arrive at once, and should have.

 

It doesn't matter ONE BIT at this point if systems engineers are switched for a short while, that's just the realities of software development. Both modules are progressing, end of story.

 

+1 :thumbup:

[aaron886]

Like I said numerous times: in the end we will profit from the high commonality of systems between the Hornet and Viper. I was willing to bet we will see TWS for both arrive at once, and should have.

 

 

Laughable. We already know ED is mostly faking the radar physics (as they should) as evidenced by the lack of a serious simulation of a PDI waveform for AIM-7. (Recall the bug that allowed AIM-7s to be guided to L&S with no radar illumination.) That's fine, but it also invalidates this idea that ED is writing code with significant commonality between the platforms. The majority of the effort that is yet to be seen is clearly in the pilot/vehicle interface, and in that way the Viper and the Hornet aren't remotely alike.

[Santi871]

Laughable. We already know ED is mostly faking the radar physics (as they should) as evidenced by the lack of a serious simulation of a PDI waveform for AIM-7. (Recall the bug that allowed AIM-7s to be guided to L&S with no radar illumination.) That's fine, but it also invalidates this idea that ED is writing code with significant commonality between the platforms. The majority of the effort that is yet to be seen is clearly in the pilot/vehicle interface, and in that way the Viper and the Hornet aren't remotely alike.

 

What does simulating physics have to do with writing high quality, reusable code?

[Harker]

Recall the bug that allowed AIM-7s to be guided to L&S with no radar illumination

Still does... I just checked. I didn't know about that one. Kind of disappointed, really...

[hanab]

Like I said numerous times: in the end we will profit from the high commonality of systems between the Hornet and Viper. I was willing to bet we will see TWS for both arrive at once, and should have.

 

It doesn't matter ONE BIT at this point if systems engineers are switched for a short while, that's just the realities of software development. Both modules are progressing, end of story.

 

Same system ? So we pay two time for one plane......

 

In dcs language, very soon = two weeks on OB, one month on stable

Soon = one month on OB, and « when we got news »= no plan

 

We have to wait !!

Edited September 27, 2019 by hanab

[Ziptie]

Same system ? So we pay two time for one plane......

 

Again with the "pay twice for one plane" thing? Really man? Come on, that is the furthest thing from accurate. The two aircraft are very different, with different flight models, cockpits, and on and on and on. Don't stir the pot while trying to seem like being good. They are TWO DIFFERENT planes. Period. That's all.

 

 

Cheers,

 

Don

[Zylon]

Same system ? So we pay two time for one plane......

 

 

Same plane?

Just because they share some systems and weapons doesn‘t make them the same plane.

 

And if you really think that, then why would you even bother buying the Viper and being in this subforum, since you can have the „same“ plane in a later stage of development already?

[hanab]

Same plane?

Just because they share some systems and weapons doesn‘t make them the same plane.

 

And if you really think that, then why would you even bother buying the Viper and being in this subforum, since you can have the „same“ plane in a later stage of development already?

 

I don’t know what to think about F16/F18 projects . I'm just waiting for ED to convince me with facts and not promises.

[falcon_120]

I don’t know what to think about F16/F18 projects . I'm just waiting for ED to convince me with facts and not promises.

 

It is not difficult to understand... for someone who want to understand of course.

 

The TWS of both planes share a lot of commonality and features. Of course you will get a TWS with F16 symbology and limitations (Bars, submodes, scan velocity, etc) and one TWS for the hornet. Both work differently in many aspects and that is what you will get.

 

The pay two times is kind of a lame comment because you could think of radars for New full fidelity modules as if they were composed of two layers:

 

1-One layer simulating radar behaviour and sort of physics in itself, is aircraft agnostic and is more about the radar simulation within the DCS World engine, and

2-An interface layer that is unique to each aircraft (Modes, link to the MFD pages, azimuth and bar limitations, number of targets to be tracked, etc).

 

They are working in 1 in parallel so we benefit for these 2 aircraft and for the ones to come, but 2 will be done specifically for each aircraft.

[BIGNEWY]

I don’t know what to think about F16/F18 projects . I'm just waiting for ED to convince me with facts and not promises.

 

We know we can not make everyone happy with our choices, you have voiced your opinion about it on many occasion's, at this point I am not sure anything I say would help change your mind.

 

TWS will be worked on once the devs that moved to the viper team return to the hornet. Until then we will have no news to share about TWS.

 

Thanks

Edited September 27, 2019 by BIGNEWY