F-16 Viper Cockpit in VR

[sze5003]

I do know that the viper MFD's in the Odyssey were not so readable and look pretty bad. With the reverb they are more visible and clear and zooming in is required obviously for extra small details in most of the screens. But I can see them better just leaning back in my seat than when I was not using the Reverb.

 

I do agree they should modified to be more legible.

[CobaltUK]

Going round in circles. For some time now i have been using a forced IPD of 52 to give me a good FOV/cockpit size with benefits to mfd clarity. To check that TOYKILLA was talking about the forced IPD VR setting (of 63) which should have been way out for me based on past experiments i tried it.

 

Not only did a change to 63 make no difference but turning on/off now has no effect which it did previously. Yes ive tried closing everything down for each attempt. This is with steamvr beta 1.8.19

CORRECTION !! It seems that for me the higher values have zero or almost zero effect. 60 ever so slight, 63 nothing. Sticking with 53

Edited November 6, 2019 by CobaltUK

[KennyG]

I can't understand, the missing Pilot Bodys in the Cockpit also,for the most Modules in DCS. This is a Nogo in VR Times,because you fly like Hollowman

 

Meh... I think the VR Times should lighten up. Unless you have control of the body in the cockpit and can move your hands out of the way to unobscure various console elements, I kind of disagree. Yeah it looks nice, but to me it doesn’t distract from the immersion and is entirely practical to have no pilot body. Saves on GPU as well.

[Wicked.-]

Cool ramp start video in Iraq. At the end you see the MFD's power up. If you look at any video that shows the pilot in the cockpit you realize how small the pit really is. At max your eyes would be 18 to 20 inches from the MFD's. Besides, there's no way in hell the US Airforce would expect their fighter pilots to put their head down and lean in to see the MFD's. The F-16 is designed to be a heads up fighter which is also why the HOTAS is set up the way it is. To say you shouldn't expect to be able to read them without leaning or zooming in is utterly insane. If that were the case we'd have a shit ton of dead Viper pilots.

I will say this, the video shows that when it comes to the rest of the cockpit graphics, ED nailed it...

 

 

 

[TOYKILLA]

Meh... I think the VR Times should lighten up. Unless you have control of the body in the cockpit and can move your hands out of the way to unobscure various console elements, I kind of disagree. Yeah it looks nice, but to me it doesn’t distract from the immersion and is entirely practical to have no pilot body. Saves on GPU as well.

I have a Keyboard bind on one of my MFD's to disable the Body if it's needed ,but complete without Body,its really sucks. You will not find any Racing Simulation today,without a Driver Body for VR, so it's a shame that such complex Moduls dosen't have one.

 

I fly many hours today and the MFD are great with the Reverb HMD and 2080Ti settings.

 

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[bies]

After a week flying Viper I can say three things:

 

- MFDs are far harder to read than Hornet, Harrier or even FC F-15, idk if Viper MFDs are 1024x1024 res like other MFDs or it's WiP feature, overall the whole cockpit seems to be less clear/harder to read than Hornet in VR, which is perfect.

 

- scale seems to be different than Hornet, Harrier, Tomcat etc. looking at the stick and throttle - controls in a Viper looks small like toys, not like my Warthog.

 

- overall impression, except this two issues, is very good in VR

[Wicked.-]

After a week flying Viper I can say three things:

 

- MFDs are far harder to read than Hornet, Harrier or even FC F-15, idk if Viper MFDs are 1024x1024 res like other MFDs or it's WiP feature, overall the whole cockpit seems to be less clear/harder to read than Hornet in VR, which is perfect.

 

- scale seems to be different than Hornet, Harrier, Tomcat etc. looking at the stick and throttle - controls in a Viper looks small like toys, not like my Warthog.

 

- overall impression, except this two issues, is very good in VR

 

 

In DCS VR tab, check the box for Force IPD and start with 51 in the box. It will make the cockpit bigger. Then simply adjust from there, higher numbers shrink the size of the pit, lower numbers make it bigger. 53 seems to be my magic number. When you get it right you'll know... :D

[TOYKILLA]

I run 63 like my real IPD and it is perfect with the Reverb. Also the MFD's look really realistic

 

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[Bogias]

I am using also real IPD 60.0 in my case and I have no scale issues, compared to the real cockpit from my experience is very precise.

[TOYKILLA]

Yes the F-16 has a tiny Cockpit

 

I hope they release the Pilot Body soon.

 

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Edited November 8, 2019 by TOYKILLA

[Icebeat]

is there any way to use 2048x2048 textures instead of 1024x1024 for HUD/MDFs?

[TOYKILLA]

How was the real Resolution of the F-16 MFD's? 600x600?

 

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[Wicked.-]

is there any way to use 2048x2048 textures instead of 1024x1024 for HUD/MDFs?

 

 

 

 

It may be possible. I know you can change resolution options when changing viewports for exporting MFD's though that's probably not the same thing. I don't know how to do it and haven't messed with exporting MFD's since I got VR.

[JIMJAM]

To prevent me from injuring my neck from trying..... When you turn and look over your shoulder can you see the wings? I can only see approx 90 degrees l/r. Any switches on either the l or r rear panels are almost impossible for me.

BRW-Oculus with 2 sensors. Can the overall range of vision be increased either via DCS or Oculus software. My neck thanks you.

[TOYKILLA]

Yes it's hard,but you have to turn your head like in a real jet and change your seating position.

 

If you don't wanna do this,you can look right and center your VR View, then you can easy see the left console. If you will work on the right console, look left before and center your view.

 

I have the VR-Center switch on my TM FA/18 Stick and this works perfect for me.

 

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[Lange_666]

Can the overall range of vision be increased either via DCS or Oculus software. My neck thanks you.

 

You could try this: OpenTrack to amplify the headtracking.

I tried it but i found the response a bit overamplified/jerky to use but have to admit that i only did a short test. It works but needs some tweaking.

[JIMJAM]

Thanks... Odd thing I have been using trackir again as I missed a huge screen and the clarity it offers. In the last 2 weeks I dusted off my goggles. I also have the full TM HOTAS setup and changed my trackir setting to cockpit cam up/down and frd/rev/ iirc. That solves any views issue. I noticed the VR zoom was already assigned to my wh throttle. I wanted to move it but cannot find the bindings.

[Eaglewings]

Yes it's hard,but you have to turn your head like in a real jet and change your seating position.

 

If you don't wanna do this,you can look right and center your VR View, then you can easy see the left console. If you will work on the right console, look left before and center your view.

 

I have the VR-Center switch on my TM FA/18 Stick and this works perfect for me.

 

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Yes this will help.

 

My left and right console view of the cockpit in all my modules is nothing beyond the angle I believe the pilot would have to move to head to access those back panels in the real aircraft.

 

 

 

Setting my dsc IPD to get what I perceive a good cockpit scale also help.

The default 63.5 makes the cockpit bogus. A higher settings makes the panel closer.

 

In addition each aircraft has sweet spot of FOV. Set it up and save it.

[Fri13]

Cool ramp start video in Iraq. At the end you see the MFD's power up. If you look at any video that shows the pilot in the cockpit you realize how small the pit really is. At max your eyes would be 18 to 20 inches from the MFD's.[/Quote]

 

Any MFD can't be above the pilot knees. That is a election seat requirement. Unless ejection seat is made to move backward so much that knees gets from under the cockpit and then tied to chair so they can't come to touch the HUD etc.

 

So when one sets seat angle 30 degree backward, the chair can't be pushed forward below the screens, but the view will be much further than those with 10-20 degree seats.

 

Anyone can measure their distance between eyes and couple inches past the knees, as that is the distance there always must be for safety reasons.

 

20" is 51 cm, while it is more likely 80-90 cm from the MFCD, so about 33".

[Fri13]

Thanks... Odd thing I have been using trackir again as I missed a huge screen and the clarity it offers. In the last 2 weeks I dusted off my goggles. I also have the full TM HOTAS setup and changed my trackir setting to cockpit cam up/down and frd/rev/ iirc. That solves any views issue. I noticed the VR zoom was already assigned to my wh throttle. I wanted to move it but cannot find the bindings.

 

It is in VR section, not the aircraft but VR. So instead F-16C Sim, select the VR.

[Wicked.-]

Any MFD can't be above the pilot knees. That is a election seat requirement. Unless ejection seat is made to move backward so much that knees gets from under the cockpit and then tied to chair so they can't come to touch the HUD etc.

 

So when one sets seat angle 30 degree backward, the chair can't be pushed forward below the screens, but the view will be much further than those with 10-20 degree seats.

 

Anyone can measure their distance between eyes and couple inches past the knees, as that is the distance there always must be for safety reasons.

 

20" is 51 cm, while it is more likely 80-90 cm from the MFCD, so about 33".

 

That makes sense. That said, looking at this picture that was obviously taken farther away than the distance of the pilots eyes to the MFD’s, do you think you would be able to see the MFD’s clearly?

 

 

Here’s another showing the size of the cockpit with a larger pilot..

 

[TOYKILLA]

I hope we get our pilot also soon :-)

 

#emptycockpitflight

 

 

That makes sense. That said, looking at this picture that was obviously taken farther away than the distance of the pilots eyes to the MFD’s, do you think you would be able to see the MFD’s clearly?

 

 

With the Reverb, and a High End PC, Yes the MFD's looks perfect to me and are good to Read. But on my Rift S before, with the same high End PC, I still had to use my VR Zoom to read all without problems,because its low Resolution.

 

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Edited December 6, 2019 by TOYKILLA

[Wicked.-]

Here’s a temp fix for the MFD’s. Outstanding mod. I didn’t check if it broke IC so can’t say but I can see the MFD’s and everything on them without leaning in. The drawbacks are the HSI is slightly blurry but I could read it fine and the white border around the SOI MFD has some alias shimmering. Other than that they are pretty close to what I would expect. The range circle color is slightly purple as well.

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=222510&d=1575755915

[Kayos]

Here’s a temp fix for the MFD’s. Outstanding mod. I didn’t check if it broke IC so can’t say but I can see the MFD’s and everything on them without leaning in. The drawbacks are the HSI is slightly blurry but I could read it fine and the white border around the SOI MFD has some alias shimmering. Other than that they are pretty close to what I would expect. The range circle color is slightly purple as well.

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=222510&d=1575755915

 

It does not break IC. It works very well.

[Eaglewings]

Here’s a temp fix for the MFD’s. Outstanding mod. I didn’t check if it broke IC so can’t say but I can see the MFD’s and everything on them without leaning in. The drawbacks are the HSI is slightly blurry but I could read it fine and the white border around the SOI MFD has some alias shimmering. Other than that they are pretty close to what I would expect. The range circle color is slightly purple as well.

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=222510&d=1575755915

I knew some kind of a temporary fix would show up soon. I've got to try this. This should keep us going until something official from ED surfaces.

Thanks for sharing this.