Need help with GBUs and TGP

[CaptHawk]

Calicrook,

 

 

 

I'll try to set up a mission with no waypoint and see how that works then whatever I find out, I'll post here.

 

By the way, I found the zoom function on the TGP, is under "MAN RNG knob", which is manual range I guess.... many keybindings have COMPLETELY different names and terminologies on the F-16, I'm spending more time trying to find names and keybindings than actually flying... :megalol:

That's exactly all I did last night but was so tired. Now I'm basically re doing it as I have no idea what I was thinking last night or just got lost in some of the terminology .

 

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[Harlikwin]

Both me and a friend have had this problem. Without a preset Waypoint, even sometimes with, I can't reset my target point with slew.

 

Practice makes perfect.

[VampireNZ]

Having no problems with the pod and release cue etc. if I set a Point track with TMS Up located by a SP. But if I TMS Up to an Area track, as soon as the weapon releases the POD slews away from the spot and obviously you can't lase it anymore.

Also cheers Harli will try the TMS Down to re-center the pod - was wondering about that, was trying to use UNCAGE etc.

Edited October 5, 2019 by VampireNZ

[Calicrook]

Basically what I have done was just add one random way point to the F-16 group and it fixed it. If you load in and there aren't any you are SOL and have to use the guesstimation method on your bomb release. But if you are dropping dumb bombs it will have to be in CCIP till they can fix it. Or just add a waypoint to all your f-16 groups.

[ArcLite]

[Harlikwin]

Having no problems with the pod and release cue etc. if I set a Point track with TMS Up located by a SP. But if I TMS Up to an Area track, as soon as the weapon releases the POD slews away from the spot and obviously you can't lase it anymore.

Also cheers Harli will try the TMS Down to re-center the pod - was wondering about that, was trying to use UNCAGE etc.

 

No worries. Not exactly intuitive or documented.

[JamesRothwell]

I've been messing with the pod and GBU, as already mentioned be in A/G and in CCRP, if you press TMS switch down it moves the target pod to whatever your nose is pointing at, I found this quite useful. Maybe obvious but for newbs like me a nice function.

[razorseal]

The problem I had was on the instant action one.

 

SP2 > CCRP mode and I found the targets. then I accidently slewed way off (it moved quick, maybe TMS aft?) then I would switch between SP2 and SP3, with SP2 no longer being where it was. It's almost like it moved SP2 elsewhere. I would see it switch between 2 and 3 while in CCRP mode, but going back to SP2 I always had blank area

[VampireNZ]

I have noticed one glaring fault with GBU's.

 

Dropping the last GBU on the aircraft and the TPOD will not remain on the target. As soon as you pickle the bomb the TPOD wanders off and looks at god knows what.

Every time on the last GBU released from the aircraft.

[Delareon]

just to reduce the problem further:

 

Is the TGP your SOI when you try to lock and Lase?

 

Because yesterday i needed a while to find out why i cant point track my target even when i was able to move the camera and stuff...

Until i found out that the TGP wasnt SOI.

[Fri13]

I’m looking forward to the day I can just look at a target on the HMD, designate it and slave the TGP to it, and then wreck it ������������

 

I wait the day when you can't do that as almost every vehicle on the ground are camouflaged, hidden in the forests edges, protected by SAM domes, dozens of MANPAADS and whole theater of modern war (cold war era at 70-90's).

 

It is now easy as you can spot a individual vehicle on ground from tens of kilometers distance, while in reality you would need to be at 1000-1500 meters if they ain't completely stupid (moving on the road, moving and leaving tracks etc).

 

 

 

 

Of course most targets will not be vehicles, but more of a strategical locations like factories, bridges etc. And then tactical ones like bunkers, defense points, land areas etc.

 

So capability to look at something, get TGP there to start observing etc is great asset whent flying at clear sky at 5 km altitude. But not for a common enemy that ain't sitting in a digged hole in a desert.

[jimmywa3]

Ok fellas, this is what I have experienced.

 

Situation, JTAC lasing a target on the ground that is not a steerpoint, code 1688. Loaded with GBU-12's. The CCRP always wanted to align with a steerpoint in this case, so couldn't drop.

 

Had to rearm with the TGP...designate a point near the target with the TGP. Then switch to AG mode, CCRP...the steering cue is lined up with that point you previoulsy designated. The TGP is not picking up the laser, I think its supposed to, even though the the TGP screen says LSS 1688 and JTAC said they were lasing on 1688....therefore you are dropping in the vicinity of the laser designated target, not on the actual lased target.

 

Drop as cued by the CCRP steering and drop cue, the bomb itself eventually guides itself to the JTAC lased target...as long as you tell JTAC to turn "laser on", which I had forgotten to do many times, doh :)

 

If I am using the TGP wrong, and it does pickup the lased target on its own, please correct me., but I think its bugged.

[wraith70]

It does work.

 

TMS down/aft to recenter pod, make sure its SOI.

 

This is the trick that worked for me. Here's my procedure that works online and offline:

 

1. A-G Mode

2. CCRP Mode

3. TGP Mode

4. TGP SOI

5. TMS AFT - Recenter Target Designator

6. Aim at general direction of target and hit RDR Cursor Left, Right, Up OR Down

7. Orbit target at a distance, right turn 35-45 degrees

8. Area Scan to target

9. Point Scan for moving target

10. Perform CCRP run

11. Weapons release and don't forget to Laze

[Eldur]

10. Perform CCRP run

 

Following the rest of your list, at this point, the ASL or what ever it's called again in this bird (always love it how one thing has four different names in three planes in the US mil) always is way off to the side and CCRP doesn't work for me...

[wraith70]

Following the rest of your list, at this point, the ASL or what ever it's called again in this bird (always love it how one thing has four different names in three planes in the US mil) always is way off to the side and CCRP doesn't work for me...

 

Once i have a point lock, I break orbit, turn into the target until the steering line is in the center of the flight path marker.

[Eldur]

Guess I found what causes my problem already, gonna try this now with at least one steerpoint. Just dumped the "Flacon" at Kholki cold'n'dark without flight plan on my test map which is my usual setup.

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=250852&highlight=tgp+ccrp

[Harlikwin]

One question, have you guys got the Laser spot tracking working with a JTAC? I was on an online server and the jtac stated it was lasing on 1688 but I couldn't see the spot. Do I need to turn LSS on somehow?

[Frederf]

Uncage button

[Harlikwin]

Uncage button

 

I tried that (uncage on the hotas). Is there some sort of sybology of a diamond hunting around for the laser spot or no?

[Fri13]

I tried that (uncage on the hotas). Is there some sort of sybology of a diamond hunting around for the laser spot or no?

 

The TGP freezes and you see its heading point going around horizon (circles around the TGP) in search. Once it spots laser designator, it locks there and TGP is again in live feed.

[Harlikwin]

The TGP freezes and you see its heading point going around horizon (circles around the TGP) in search. Once it spots laser designator, it locks there and TGP is again in live feed.

 

Ok, so I clearly did something wrong cuz that never happened. So you see the cursor in the hud move and the display freezes at the original position, and then unfreezes once it finds the spot.

[Harker]

Ok, so I clearly did something wrong cuz that never happened. So you see the cursor in the hud move and the display freezes at the original position, and then unfreezes once it finds the spot.

The HUD cursor doesn't move, since it shows the AG waypoint location, not the TGP LOS. The TGP video freezes on the MFD (not sure why) and you see the "TGP LOS relative to your aircraft" symbol on the TGP page (small diamond) moving around the display as the pod searches.

You need to press Uncage with the TGP as SOI.

[Harlikwin]

The HUD cursor doesn't move, since it shows the AG waypoint location, not the TGP LOS. The TGP video freezes on the MFD (not sure why) and you see the "TGP LOS relative to your aircraft" symbol on the TGP page (small diamond) moving around the display as the pod searches.

You need to press Uncage with the TGP as SOI.

 

Thanks.

[Wu70]

The HUD cursor doesn't move, since it shows the AG waypoint location, not the TGP LOS. The TGP video freezes on the MFD (not sure why) and you see the "TGP LOS relative to your aircraft" symbol on the TGP page (small diamond) moving around the display as the pod searches.

You need to press Uncage with the TGP as SOI.

 

So tgp in ccrp is useless now? Previously I was able to move hud cursos along with tgp and now I cant because of this waypoints? Can I delete them?

[Harker]

So tgp in ccrp is useless now? Previously I was able to move hud cursos along with tgp and now I cant because of this waypoints? Can I delete them?

I don't know if anything changed in the last update, I haven't done it as I'm not home right now.