[KNOWN ISSUE] AIM-7M F/A-18C & F-14B Comparative Test

[Schmidtfire]

Chaff effects are a little simple in DCS. It should mess with radar scopes, radar gunsight locks etc.

 

Hope to see the updated Sparrow soon. What about the AIM-7F variant? Was it ever used on

F-14B?

[*Aquila*]

What about the AIM-7F variant? Was it ever used on

F-14B?

AFAIK, no.

[near_blind]

The F-14B NATOPS references the AIM-7F as one of the three available Sparrow options configurable in stores by the RIO, the other two being the M and MH. This was for PTID equipped aircraft, but afaik the PTID didn't change any of the guidy-launchy bits of the jet.

[S. Low]

I asked bignewy on reddit yesterday or day before if he had any knowledge of this situation and the issue causing delayed response from ED. He wasnt aware of the situation (expected, he's a community guy not a dev) and said he would ask ED about it.

 

I haven't heard back yet but I'm hoping it speeds things along.

[captain_dalan]

IDK if we would want either one honestly, 100% seems OP lol

 

A 10NM head on launch should be in NEZ for even a late 70's Sparrow, so at least kinetically it should have 100% PK (medium or high altitudes - can't say about on the deck launches)

[gyrovague]

We've added the latest DCS AIM-7M as well as the 7F to our F-14 now, should be available in the next openbeta release.

 

The F-14B NATOPS references the AIM-7F as one of the three available Sparrow options configurable in stores by the RIO, the other two being the M and MH. This was for PTID equipped aircraft, but afaik the PTID didn't change any of the guidy-launchy bits of the jet.

 

Source on that AIM-7MH ? I haven't seen that mentioned anywhere.

[FWind]

We've added the latest DCS AIM-7M as well as the 7F to our F-14 now, should be available in the next openbeta release.

 

 

 

Source on that AIM-7MH ? I haven't seen that mentioned anywhere.

 

01-F14AAD-1T-2??

[BlackPixxel]

You may want to do some more tests to see if the new AIM-7 will ever go for a chaff.

 

Right now it seems that chaff is not implemented for the new ED AIM-7, no matter which one. Even the old CW AIM-7E never goes for a chaff on a notching + chaffing bandit.

[Tholozor]

The MH may also be referred to as a 7M (H-build).

[MPK]

Even the old CW AIM-7E never goes for a chaff on a notching + chaffing bandit.

 

Is this with a radar using pulse or pulse doppler? I was under the impression that only pulse doppler can be notched.

[Rabbisaur]

We've added the latest DCS AIM-7M as well as the 7F to our F-14 now, should be available in the next openbeta release.

 

 

 

Source on that AIM-7MH ? I haven't seen that mentioned anywhere.

 

+1 purchase of F14 licence from me for that~ As a gift to one of my friend.

[*Aquila*]

We've added the latest DCS AIM-7M as well as the 7F to our F-14 now, should be available in the next openbeta release.

Thanks a lot! :thumbup:

 

All discussions about this missile should be an ED problem, now.

[diditopgun]

We've added the latest DCS AIM-7M as well as the 7F to our F-14 now, should be available in the next openbeta release.

 

Thank you very much! Great news! :cheer3nc:

[S. Low]

Sweet. Thanks! I'll take OP sparrows over doodoo sparrows 7 days a week.

[draconus]

Source on that AIM-7MH ? I haven't seen that mentioned anywhere.

I see both NATOPS and Store Limitations docs mentioning M (H build) Sparrow but these were all from over 2000.

[QuiGon]

We've added the latest DCS AIM-7M as well as the 7F to our F-14 now, should be available in the next openbeta release.

Outstanding! Not just that we get the updated M, but also the F which was entirely missing from the Tomcat so far. Really great news! :thumbup:

[near_blind]

We've added the latest DCS AIM-7M as well as the 7F to our F-14 now, should be available in the next openbeta release.

 

 

 

Source on that AIM-7MH ? I haven't seen that mentioned anywhere.

 

I shot IronMike a PM with the details on where to find it on Oct. 7th, but NAVAIR 01-F14AAP-1 August 2001 revision, page 41-56, which equates to page 864 if you're reading the PDF.

 

The section is describing procedures for the RIO to manually assign missile sub variants by hooking stores position on the PTID and cycling between available models. (F, M and H for sparrows, A and C for Phoenix). AFAIK there were no major upgrades to the AWG-9 between that aircraft and ours, and the fact the aircraft is still largely ignorant of what is actually sitting on the launcher, combined with the maintenance training document indicating that the AIM-7M/P are launched from the existing LAU-92 are the best open source indications of AIM-7MH on the Tomcat to date.

 

As girthy, lofty CM resistant MRM Bois have become something of a pet cause, I'll pass along anything else I stumble upon. :)

 

Edit: also thanks for the other Sparrow updates!

[FWind]

I shot IronMike a PM with the details on where to find it on Oct. 7th, but NAVAIR 01-F14AAP-1 August 2001 revision, page 41-56, which equates to page 864 if you're reading the PDF.

 

The section is describing procedures for the RIO to manually assign missile sub variants by hooking stores position on the PTID and cycling between available models. (F, M and H for sparrows, A and C for Phoenix). AFAIK there were no major upgrades to the AWG-9 between that aircraft and ours, and the fact the aircraft is still largely ignorant of what is actually sitting on the launcher, combined with the maintenance training document indicating that the AIM-7M/P are launched from the existing LAU-92 are the best open source indications of AIM-7MH on the Tomcat to date.

 

As girthy, lofty CM resistant MRM Bois have become something of a pet cause, I'll pass along anything else I stumble upon. :)

 

Edit: also thanks for the other Sparrow updates!

 

In older manual is TID

[Airhunter]

I see both NATOPS and Store Limitations docs mentioning M (H build) Sparrow but these were all from over 2000.

 

I mean, since we have a mid 90's specific Tomcat I don't think the MH would be that fitting. Having the F and now a proper M is more than fine.

[near_blind]

I mean, since we have a mid 90's specific Tomcat I don't think the MH would be that fitting. Having the F and now a proper M is more than fine.

 

The F entered service in the Mid 70s.

The M entered service in the early 80s.

The MH entered service in the late 80s. The MH is absolutely appropriate time wise.

[FWind]

I mean, since we have a mid 90's specific Tomcat I don't think the MH would be that fitting. Having the F and now a proper M is more than fine.

You will found MH in navair 01-F14AAP-1 1997 version.

[Rabbisaur]

Hi, I still have two questions:

 

1) Will the ED aim7M inherit the loft bug from ED? is it an exact copy of the missiles?

 

2) Will the ED aim7 has thick white smoke or will it be changed to HB much more realistic looking smoke?

[IronMike]

Hi, I still have two questions:

 

1) Will the ED aim7M inherit the loft bug from ED? is it an exact copy of the missiles?

 

2) Will the ED aim7 has thick white smoke or will it be changed to HB much more realistic looking smoke?

 

 

1) it seems so. it currently lofts as close as 6000m to the target, which seems off. The weapons we get from ED are managed by them of course, not us, we can simply use them.

 

2) Not for now. The one adjustment we do is to tilt them so they fit on the tunnel, in the Tomcat the sparrows were rotated 45° as you know.

 

EDIT: While typing my reply we actually did stumble on a reliable note that the AIM 7MH was indeed used with the B, hence we will implement it. Sorry we did not find it right away.

Edited October 29, 2019 by IronMike

[Rabbisaur]

1) it seems so. it currently lofts as close as 6000m to the target, which seems off. The weapons we get from ED are managed by them of course, not us, we can simply use them.

 

2) Not for now. The one adjustment we do is to tilt them so they fit on the tunnel, in the Tomcat the sparrows were rotated 45° as you know.

 

As for the Aim-7 MH, we have no reliable source indicating that it was used with the F-14A and B within the time period we model. Because of this we will not implement it for now.

 

Thank you for your answers.

[IronMike]

Thank you for your answers.

 

 

Ok guys, good news. While writing the reply we revisited a couple documents and actually did stumble on a reliable note that the AIM-7MH has been used during this period. Hence we will implement it afterall. Funny how things go sometimes. :)