SD-10

[Ramsay]

this test after last patch or before it ?

 

After.

 

this is what I want to know also. It was patch day when AIM-120 got a boost.

 

Latest OB Patch 2.5.5.41371

 

From what I've read the AIM-120C was under performing by ~20%, while the SD-10 may be over-performing by perhaps a similar amount.

 

AFAIK the AIM-120C has improved, but I never did a max range comparison to the older AIM-120C FM (so can't be sure).

 

The reason I'm sharing is to show the SD-10 still out performs the current AIM-120C.

 

... cuz all wiki in all over web talking about SD-10 range is 70 KM and we have less than that ...

Edited December 21, 2019 by Ramsay

[sylkhan]

What does that mean ?

 

Message from an ED guy "Chiz"

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=4146732&postcount=20234

 

"С китайцами еще будет разговор, когда мы продуем их ракету."

 

google translate :

 

"There will still be a conversation with the Chinese when we blow their rocket."

 

Not very friendly, and if i understand correctly, not a good news for the futur

Edited December 21, 2019 by sylkhan

[Harlikwin]

Hm...

 

Maybe more downgrades for the SD-10.

[Harlikwin]

And there is now this post from Chiz… (copied from other thread)

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php...ostcount=20234

 

"С китайцами еще будет разговор, когда мы продуем их ракету."

 

google translate :

 

"There will still be a conversation with the Chinese when we blow their rocket."

 

Not very friendly, and if i understand correctly, not a good news for the futur

[BIGNEWY]

Google translate is not always great.

 

The team will be reviewing the SD-10 with Deka Ironworks.

 

Thanks

Edited December 21, 2019 by BIGNEWY

[Harlikwin]

Google translate is not always great.

 

:thumbup:

 

But the Babel Fish created more wars in history than any other force because no one could use the excuse that they couldn't understand what the other guy was saying.

[sylkhan]

Google translate is not always great.

 

Perhaps bing translator is better :)

 

"There's still a conversation with the Chinese when we blow their rocket"

[Terrorban]

The performance capabilities of JF-17 has really surprised the whole nato side up to a point of disbelief in its performance claims. They are almost always rude or negative when they speak about it outside this forum.

 

Not really surprised that even ED has their doubts at this point and are cracking rude jokes with their community.

 

 

The general idea is that JF-17 is a very cheap bucket with wings and chinese weapons are not that great when compared with "giant" nations like Russia and USA.

 

Even the nickname Jeff was given to it as more of a rude joke within the hoggit community.

 

ED is more active in hoggit reddit and even release a lot of official statements there randomly so I'm not really surprised about this.

 

I am curious to see how they will blow these chinese rockets.

 

 

I just find the level of ignorance quite revealing.

Edited December 21, 2019 by Terrorban
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[LJQCN101]

That's actually a great opportunity. So there will be another example for our SME from missile bureau to compare how well Fluent performs against their wind tunnel data. We're very looking forward to this.

[J-20]

The performance capabilities of JF-17 has really surprised the whole nato side up to a point of disbelief in its performance claims. They are almost always rude or negative when they speak about it outside this forum.

 

Not really surprised that even ED has their doubts at this point and are cracking rude jokes with their community.

 

 

The general idea is that JF-17 is a very cheap bucket with wings and chinese weapons are not that great when compared with "giant" nations like Russia and USA.

 

Even the nickname Jeff was given to it as more of a rude joke within the hoggit community.

 

ED is more active in hoggit reddit and even release a lot of official statements there randomly so I'm not really surprised about this.

 

I am curious to see how they will blow these chinese rockets.

 

 

I just find the level of ignorance quite revealing.

 

No need to care what those people think. They have been living in their mindset that they are superior. When the facts suddenly shows them that they are not, they have problem adjust.

 

And there is now this post from Chiz… (copied from other thread)

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php...ostcount=20234

 

"С китайцами еще будет разговор, когда мы продуем их ракету."

 

google translate :

 

"There will still be a conversation with the Chinese when we blow their rocket."

 

Not very friendly, and if i understand correctly, not a good news for the futur

 

That's just good old Russian talk. They lived entire cold war providing weapons to China, they just can't handle that fact that China has already exceed the Russia.

 

I remember a while back, when China heard that the Russian carrier need to go through the repair, they made an offer to the Russian to use Chinese dry dock company. But what did Russian say? "No need, we have better dry dock". Then their carrier sank their own dry dock. :megalol:

Edited December 21, 2019 by J-20

[Contact409]

And there is now this post from Chiz… (copied from other thread)

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php...ostcount=20234

 

"С китайцами еще будет разговор, когда мы продуем их ракету."

 

google translate :

 

"There will still be a conversation with the Chinese when we blow their rocket."

 

Not very friendly, and if i understand correctly, not a good news for the futur

 

 

ohh let there be a conversation. Let there be a long conversation about the performance and guidance laws...

 

ED is not the authority figure in that field for sure. :lol:

[Chiron]

that is what i am talking about i saw chiz comments and i didn't want to open this conversation from that point

[AeriaGloria]

That's actually a great opportunity. So there will be another example for our SME from missile bureau to compare how well Fluent performs against their wind tunnel data. We're very looking forward to this.

 

Thank you for the response!!!

 

 

And TB, as someone who spends almost as much time on hoggit as here, most people calling it it Jeff are people with the module, I think it’s an affectionate name and most people use it just as a replacement for Thunder or writing JF-17

[TLTeo]

 

 

It appears that the SD-10 and AIM-120C are roughly comparable now, at least for high altitude shots.

[Harlikwin]

I think Jeffe could be a bit better (bossman in Spanish)…

 

As to capabilities, I mean the jet is a decade newer in service than anything bluefor has, and about as capable or less capable in most areas. So I don't understand the wailing and gnashing of teeth over it. Probably competitive MP guys that once again have a new missile to wail about.

Edited December 22, 2019 by Harlikwin

[Jester2138]

Even the nickname Jeff was given to it as more of a rude joke within the hoggit community.

 

Maybe this is an English as second language thing.

 

I'm a native English speaker (along with, I think, most of Hoggit) and "Jeff" is a very affectionate name. It is not a joke at all. Americans love giving their planes nicknames, sometimes weird ones. The B-1 Lancer is called "The Bone" by all its pilots. The B-52 is called "BUFF" aka "Big Ugly Fat ****er" by all its pilots. The F-35 pilots sometimes called it "Fat Amy." The A-10 is called the "Warthog." These are names of affection despite their somewhat unsexy first-appearance. Americans don't nickname things they don't care about.

[falcon_120]

 

The general idea is that JF-17 is a very cheap bucket with wings and chinese weapons are not that great when compared with "giant" nations like Russia and USA.

 

 

Well that is partially true, the JF17 is a very light fighter, thought as a complement to a first line fighter (the f16 in this case) and so it comes with all the operational shortcoming of its light design.

 

It is a proof though on how modern technology can turn a small fighter into a lethal system, and I'm enjoying it a lot these days.

[falcon_120]

 

 

It appears that the SD-10 and AIM-120C are roughly comparable now, at least for high altitude shots.

 

Not at all, the SD10 as of the latest OB clearly outperforms the 120C by a wide margin. The AIM120C is better now though.

 

[J-20]

that is what i am talking about i saw chiz comments and i didn't want to open this conversation from that point

 

This is just a shock to me as well.

I never imaged that one of the manager from my beloved game which I had supported for so many years would say something like this. :mad:

[falcon_120]

That's actually a great opportunity. So there will be another example for our SME from missile bureau to compare how well Fluent performs against their wind tunnel data. We're very looking forward to this.

I would love to see and hear about that kind discussion. I'm sure you will all get to a middle ground.

 

Enviado desde mi SM-G950F mediante Tapatalk

[sylkhan]

Well that is partially true, the JF17 is a very light fighter, thought as a complement to a first line fighter (the f16 in this case) and so it comes with all the operational shortcoming of its light design...

 

No, Chengdu FC1/JF-17 is design to be the backbone of PAF.

Block II is already better than f-16 in some areas, but block III/PL-15 will be superior in all aspects.

PAF need fighters to be able to compete with rafale/su-30, f-16 can't.

F-16 block 52 will be dedicate for secondary tasks.

Edited December 22, 2019 by sylkhan

[TLTeo]

Right, I should rephrase - Growling Sidewinder's video shows that against a maneuvering target, the AMRAAM is roughly comparable to the SD-10. This happens despite the latter having better kinetic performance, and thus being better against a non-maneuvering target, as shown by both videos linked.

[wasizyayo]

Don't do things like online games.

[Terrorban]

If the nato community keep acting like this, they will cannibalise their own hobby. After seeing all the drama that is kicking out over this, which other 3rd party will be willing so spend years making a jet and doing lots of research because in the end if it outperforms the nato ones, it will be an unwelcome addition.

 

All we will get then are some amature devs like the ones who made the mess with the hawk jet.

 

Current ED practices also show favour towards nato side with their updates and development priorities.

Edited December 22, 2019 by Terrorban
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[BIGNEWY]

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