Are the P47 sounds finalised?

[hazzer]

Hello,

 

Just wondering if the P47 sounds are complete?

 

Just an observation that compared to the ww2 modules that have all received an improvement this seems to be lacking. The engine rumble in a flypast appears to be missing.

 

The tire noise on landing is very loud, I hear it over the engine so much so that the engine is essentially silent.

 

I fly with hear like in helmet on as it adds to the realism, but some of the rumble from the engine appears to be lost between that. That you would actual hear.

 

 

Thanks.

[DefaultFace]

Yeah IMO balance of sounds is still off but its an overall dcs issue. I turned down world sounds and left cockpit at max, and still you can hear other aircraft operating nearby 10x louder than your own.

[Enduro14]

Sounds are amazing, but yes on startup and having the canopy open i feel the Big beauty r2800 is to quiet. Other than say balance issues this is a wonderful soundscape

[hazzer]

Yeah I suspect it is more to do with the actual balance.

 

Oh also the splutter sound if you idel too quick is the same as what the p51 was and it is grating me. I assume it is a placeholder.

[hazzer]

To add to this, I have noticed that when the canopy is open I can hear aircraft that are at a distance from me louder than my own engine

[Eldur]

Some things that I immediately noticed:

 

There's a prop-py sound that just appears at high manifold pressures, and probably many of you will recognize it sounding literally just like the default prop sound in a well known sim that's almost 20 years old now.

 

When the turbo supercharger kicks in, especially at higher RPM you can hear it, which is great. But the thing is in the back of the plane, the sound still comes from the front. And yes, I'm one of the last few crusaders that still do use a distinct audio card and actual speakers, 5.1 Sourround to be precise. Probably won't be noticable at all on silly stereo speakers hooked up on a cheap onboard solution.

[horseback]

About 12 years ago, I was at the Chino Air Show when they had three (3!!!) P-38s flying, including the famous Glacier Girl. There was also a razorback P-47G with Walker Mahurin's markings.

 

None of these aircraft had what I could describe as a throaty roar when they opened their throttles and I learned later that most if not all of their exhaust is usually going directly into the turbosuperchargers so that most of the engine noise is muffled compared to the P-40s, Mustangs, Corsairs and Hellcats that were also present.

 

Since I didn't get to sit in the cockpits of these aircraft, much less when the engine was running, I cannot tell you that the in-cockpit sounds are entirely accurate, but these fighters definitely didn't seem as loud in a flyby as their merely supercharged brethren.

 

cheers

 

horseback

[AndytotheD]

About 12 years ago, I was at the Chino Air Show when they had three (3!!!) P-38s flying, including the famous Glacier Girl. There was also a razorback P-47G with Walker Mahurin's markings.

 

None of these aircraft had what I could describe as a throaty roar when they opened their throttles and I learned later that most if not all of their exhaust is usually going directly into the turbosuperchargers so that most of the engine noise is muffled compared to the P-40s, Mustangs, Corsairs and Hellcats that were also present.

 

Since I didn't get to sit in the cockpits of these aircraft, much less when the engine was running, I cannot tell you that the in-cockpit sounds are entirely accurate, but these fighters definitely didn't seem as loud in a flyby as their merely supercharged brethren.

 

cheers

 

horseback

 

I can agree with this, I was at Flying Legends last year and the Thunderbolt wasn't nearly as loud as I expected. That said, G-THUN doesn't have a turbo-charger so maybe I could be mistaken

[hazzer]

Yeah maybe my choice of words to describe the engine sound is off. Also around Duxford you can hear the b-17 which has the same engine sound really. Expecting a roaring noise but it's actually pretty quiet

[Barrett_g]

I can agree with this, I was at Flying Legends last year and the Thunderbolt wasn't nearly as loud as I expected. That said, G-THUN doesn't have a turbo-charger so maybe I could be mistaken

 

I knew some of the present day flying P-47’s didn’t have a working turbo... do you happen to know which ones do and do not?

[btd]

Perhaps you expected something the same as the P51 or BF109 in sound. But alas, the P47 is a really quiet plane. If someone else from the WW2 aircraft we have presented flies next to him in the sky, you won’t even really hear him.

 

You watch and compare the simulator with YouTube videos, recorded with sound compressors. In life, he is really quiet. I present to you a real record from the cockpit with an open P47 canopy at idle when other planes fly nearby - https://yadi.sk/d/KVy8T91NAGHnFA

From the very beginning (in addition to flybys) you can hear the sound of the propeller, but not of the P47, but of another aircraft, which is really far away. Closer to the middle of the recording, this sound even gets brighter and louder than everything that sounds in the cockpit p47. The sound of the 47th in the cockpit is actually muddy and quiet on low rpms.

 

 

About adjusting the volume of the world - changing the world volume in the audio settings, you do not change it for the cockpit. You change it only for the cameras outside the cockpit

Edited June 5, 2020 by btd

[btd]

most if not all of their exhaust is usually going directly into the turbosuperchargers so that most of the engine noise is muffled compared to the P-40s, Mustangs, Corsairs and Hellcats that were also present.

 

Exactly. Thanks

 

Of course, something in the sounds will change and improve. We are always working on it. But please do not expect a second Mustang from the P47 :)

Edited June 5, 2020 by btd

[Brigg]

I can agree with this, I was at Flying Legends last year and the Thunderbolt wasn't nearly as loud as I expected. That said, G-THUN doesn't have a turbo-charger so maybe I could be mistaken

 

Same here, I remember her not being as loud as expected at Duxford a couple of years ago

[Yo-Yo]

Perhaps you expected something the same as the P51 or BF109 in sound. But alas, the P47 is a really quiet plane. If someone else from the WW2 aircraft we have presented flies next to him in the sky, you won’t even really hear him.

 

You watch and compare the simulator with YouTube videos, recorded with sound compressors. In life, he is really quiet. I present to you a real record from the cockpit with an open P47 canopy at idle when other planes fly nearby - https://yadi.sk/d/KVy8T91NAGHnFA

From the very beginning (in addition to flybys) you can hear the sound of the propeller, but not of the P47, but of another aircraft, which is really far away. Closer to the middle of the recording, this sound even gets brighter and louder than everything that sounds in the cockpit p47. The sound of the 47th in the cockpit is actually muddy and quiet on low rpms.

 

 

About adjusting the volume of the world - changing the world volume in the audio settings, you do not change it for the cockpit. You change it only for the cameras outside the cockpit

 

P-47 like P-38 is very ears-friendly. You can be near it without closed back headphones and do not suffer from the sound level. As you know exactly :).

[Xoho]

Are the external sounds finalized as well? One of the things I have noticed is that when the AI starts up next to me, there is absolutely no audio until a few seconds after they have started, when the "idle" audio suddenly pops in. Also happens with other AI warbirds like the A-20G, which have been out for slightly longer.

[hazzer]

Perhaps you expected something the same as the P51 or BF109 in sound. But alas, the P47 is a really quiet plane. If someone else from the WW2 aircraft we have presented flies next to him in the sky, you won’t even really hear him.

 

You watch and compare the simulator with YouTube videos, recorded with sound compressors. In life, he is really quiet. I present to you a real record from the cockpit with an open P47 canopy at idle when other planes fly nearby - https://yadi.sk/d/KVy8T91NAGHnFA

From the very beginning (in addition to flybys) you can hear the sound of the propeller, but not of the P47, but of another aircraft, which is really far away. Closer to the middle of the recording, this sound even gets brighter and louder than everything that sounds in the cockpit p47. The sound of the 47th in the cockpit is actually muddy and quiet on low rpms.

 

 

About adjusting the volume of the world - changing the world volume in the audio settings, you do not change it for the cockpit. You change it only for the cameras outside the cockpit

 

Hi,

Yes I agree with you regarding the actual engine sound. However the tire noise is way too loud and the sound of other aircraft over my own is off.

[Gentoo87]

P47 sounds like a hot angry mess in real life on the ground, Plus the Energizer sound is off? any chance we will get a proper energizer sound, and engage?

 

- the 5 minute mark has the energizer, and engage sounds.

[Eldur]

Of course, something in the sounds will change and improve. We are always working on it. But please do not expect a second Mustang from the P47 :)

 

I'll be glad already if the turbo supercharger was cranking in the back instead of the front

 

Thanks for the great already sounds BTW, you're doing a terrific job there!

[javelina1]

Perhaps you expected something the same as the P51 or BF109 in sound. But alas, the P47 is a really quiet plane. If someone else from the WW2 aircraft we have presented flies next to him in the sky, you won’t even really hear him.

 

You watch and compare the simulator with YouTube videos, recorded with sound compressors. In life, he is really quiet. I present to you a real record from the cockpit with an open P47 canopy at idle when other planes fly nearby - https://yadi.sk/d/KVy8T91NAGHnFA

From the very beginning (in addition to flybys) you can hear the sound of the propeller, but not of the P47, but of another aircraft, which is really far away. Closer to the middle of the recording, this sound even gets brighter and louder than everything that sounds in the cockpit p47. The sound of the 47th in the cockpit is actually muddy and quiet on low rpms.

 

 

About adjusting the volume of the world - changing the world volume in the audio settings, you do not change it for the cockpit. You change it only for the cameras outside the cockpit

Thanks BTD, you're rock'n it dude! Love flying this bird, and the sound! :thumbup:

[Voyager]

Perhaps you expected something the same as the P51 or BF109 in sound. But alas, the P47 is a really quiet plane. If someone else from the WW2 aircraft we have presented flies next to him in the sky, you won’t even really hear him.

 

You watch and compare the simulator with YouTube videos, recorded with sound compressors. In life, he is really quiet. I present to you a real record from the cockpit with an open P47 canopy at idle when other planes fly nearby - https://yadi.sk/d/KVy8T91NAGHnFA

From the very beginning (in addition to flybys) you can hear the sound of the propeller, but not of the P47, but of another aircraft, which is really far away. Closer to the middle of the recording, this sound even gets brighter and louder than everything that sounds in the cockpit p47. The sound of the 47th in the cockpit is actually muddy and quiet on low rpms.

 

 

About adjusting the volume of the world - changing the world volume in the audio settings, you do not change it for the cockpit. You change it only for the cameras outside the cockpit

 

Oh very cool. Was this done with condenser microphones or did you get to experiment any with contact microphones? Given the exhaust structure, I'd expect most of the sound the pilot would hear would be from bone conduction rather than pressure wave type one gets from the exhaust stacks.

 

Note: my knowledge mostly comes from dealing with a family history of hearing loss (nerve deafness, so rhyme or reason need not apply) and some interesting things I've run into on the difficulty of micing a vibraphone, rather than any sort of profession study of sound engineering.

[RodBorza]

Perhaps you expected something the same as the P51 or BF109 in sound. But alas, the P47 is a really quiet plane. If someone else from the WW2 aircraft we have presented flies next to him in the sky, you won’t even really hear him.

 

You watch and compare the simulator with YouTube videos, recorded with sound compressors. In life, he is really quiet. I present to you a real record from the cockpit with an open P47 canopy at idle when other planes fly nearby - https://yadi.sk/d/KVy8T91NAGHnFA

From the very beginning (in addition to flybys) you can hear the sound of the propeller, but not of the P47, but of another aircraft, which is really far away. Closer to the middle of the recording, this sound even gets brighter and louder than everything that sounds in the cockpit p47. The sound of the 47th in the cockpit is actually muddy and quiet on low rpms.

 

 

About adjusting the volume of the world - changing the world volume in the audio settings, you do not change it for the cockpit. You change it only for the cameras outside the cockpit

 

Good to know. I opened this traed to discuss exactly that: https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=276905

 

I found the engine sound constant, no matter the engine setting. But now I know that the sim sound is not that far off from reality.

 

Congratulations for the work you do, guys!