What does the "rod" at the front of the gunners cockpit do?

[Milkyblue]

As the title says. I don't imagin it beeing for air to air refueling right?

[Milkyblue]

Ah, i tried to correct a spelling mistake and accidently created a second thread. My mistake. How do i delete this thread?

[Raven (Elysian Angel)]

I don't think you can: as far as I understand, only moderators can. Feel free to contact one of them :)

[sublime]

its a pitot tube

it measures air speed temp etc

its stuck far our so the airflow near airframe doesnt interfere

same with the 'sword' on the front of mig 21

[sublime]

and no sir not refueling

AFAIK the CH53 can a2a refuel not sure of any other helos

but no thats a pitot tube

[QuiGon]

and no sir not refueling

AFAIK the CH53 can a2a refuel not sure of any other helos

but no thats a pitot tube

Pave Hawks can do that as well:

 

 

[sublime]

Pave Hawks can do that as well:

 

 

 

derr knew i forgot some. theres others too but not production afaik

[QuiGon]

derr knew i forgot some. theres others too but not production afaik

There are others indeed, even in production, like the Chinook:

 

 

Or the Super Puma:

 

 

/Sorry for OT

[Rogue Trooper]

The MH-53 Pave Low can do that too..... such a cool chopper.

[molevitch]

The point being, its a Pitot Tube.....

[sublime]

The point being, its a Pitot Tube.....

 

Yes.

[sublime]

The point being, its a Pitot Tube.....

 

Yes. Thanks this was gttn old lol

[AeriaGloria]

What I don’t get is the purpose of the vanes on these things. Like my MiG-21 or Ka-50, with 21 there is a dedicated AOA vane that is read by the gauge, and in the Ka-50 there is no gauge. So on both instances it’s there just for information the computer has? If so I don’t know how that would help the weapon system do it’s job, the 21 not needing it because it’s so simple and the 50 having plenty of means to find all the information it needs to get a weapon solution without AOA.

 

I always wondered if it’s just so the air data probe knows when to “read” when the vanes are in a certain range.

 

Unless it’s just a visual pilot aid, in case good try Soviets, making a high tech yaw string that reads AOA:)

[sublime]

What I don’t get is the purpose of the vanes on these things. Like my MiG-21 or Ka-50, with 21 there is a dedicated AOA vane that is read by the gauge, and in the Ka-50 there is no gauge. So on both instances it’s there just for information the computer has? If so I don’t know how that would help the weapon system do it’s job, the 21 not needing it because it’s so simple and the 50 having plenty of means to find all the information it needs to get a weapon solution without AOA.

 

I always wondered if it’s just so the air data probe knows when to “read” when the vanes are in a certain range.

 

Unless it’s just a visual pilot aid, in case good try Soviets, making a high tech yaw string that reads AOA:)

 

lmao no idea

wings of the red star, when discussing the mi24 i think they said the length, or maybe mig21s of length of pitot was to clear the aerial disturbance near the plane.

I asssume it must feed into airspeed etc

[AeriaGloria]

lmao no idea

wings of the red star, when discussing the mi24 i think they said the length, or maybe mig21s of length of pitot was to clear the aerial disturbance near the plane.

I asssume it must feed into airspeed etc

 

Well yeah, that’s what a pitot does:) but the vanes shouldn’t necessarily affect or be a part of it. Only these Soviet planes seem to have probes with vanes that don’t even feed into instruments

 

If you want to see a crazy tube, look at the MiG-19S. They must’ve been borderline paranoid about supersonic speeds decreasing the pitot tube accuracy. Our 19P has basically the same one but it’s not as impressive when mounted on the wing in a fixed mount

[earnil]

What I don’t get is the purpose of the vanes on these things. Like my MiG-21 or Ka-50, with 21 there is a dedicated AOA vane that is read by the gauge, and in the Ka-50 there is no gauge. So on both instances it’s there just for information the computer has? If so I don’t know how that would help the weapon system do it’s job, the 21 not needing it because it’s so simple and the 50 having plenty of means to find all the information it needs to get a weapon solution without AOA.

 

I always wondered if it’s just so the air data probe knows when to “read” when the vanes are in a certain range.

 

Unless it’s just a visual pilot aid, in case good try Soviets, making a high tech yaw string that reads AOA:)

 

On Mi24, that's exactly what it is. It's a visual aid for the pilot. It doesn't read AOA though, it will indicate yaw on vertical axis and climb or descent on horizontal one.

Edited September 3, 2020 by earnil

[BaD CrC]

OT again. Air refueling a chopper must be the most challenging task you can ever think of.

[sublime]

oh... Idk CASE 3 landing in a vietnam era combat mission where you saw combat and losses, and then landing at night CASE 3 in a storm may rank up there...

supposedly they did a study and found naval pilots had more stress at night landings then combat. I know a F4/F14 pilot said his stateroom mate recorded his flights and he noticed he stopped breathing before trapping. his body was automatically not breathing it was so overloaded I guess

[VampireNZ]

OT again. Air refueling a chopper must be the most challenging task you can ever think of.

 

I would tend to agree it must be right up there. Mostly due to the fact the tanker is usally at it's slowest speed possible and the chopper is at it's fastest, combined with the fact the chopper has to sit quite high compared to the drogue so it doesn't chop it thus off placing it further into the prop wake of the refueller. Also if the refueller is using any sort of flap to help with the slow speed this creates even more turb behind the aircraft.

[QuiGon]

OT again. Air refueling a chopper must be the most challenging task you can ever think of.

Yeah (besides fixed wing night carrier landings)

 

 

(Sound warning)

 

Edited September 4, 2020 by QuiGon

[AeriaGloria]

I appreciate the sound warning:)

 

Pretty genius as a visual aid

[Lucas_From_Hell]

A big part of it is that the Soviet aviation industry often had orders from the defence ministry to not reinvent the wheel - in other words, see what existing components satisfy your need before putting forth a request for new ones. In this case, there was a pitot tube with vanes that double as a visual aid, so why bother creating a new one?

[Mars Exulte]

the Soviet aviation industry often had orders from the defence ministry to not reinvent the wheel

 

Oh, come on! With laser gauges we can finally make the wheel 99.99999901% perfectly round. Think of the savings!!!

[sublime]

Yeah (besides fixed wing night carrier landings)

 

 

(Sound warning)

 

 

oh dont get me wrong

standing under say the ford when it was in dry dock to me would be near as scary but thats partially some phobia stuff

thats still top 3 scariest things i can think of doing, especially routinely for some ppl.

[VampireNZ]

For when you think AAR in a chopper is 'easy mode'...sling load as well.