Razbam/ED please clarify - Is the Harrier out of EA and consequently complete?

[SGT Coyle]

LOL!

Those texture guys.

 

LOL!!!

[Idle_Wild]

Hi all

 

the AV-8B feature list is complete

 

https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/shop/modules/av8bna/

 

product sustainment continues however.

 

Thank you

 

 

 

I can't find a detailed operations manual anywhere and that's on their feature list. I also can't load a GBU-54 which is also on their feature list.

[Cornelius]

He is a texture artist.

 

primary in-house texture artist :D

[BIGNEWY]

I can't find a detailed operations manual anywhere and that's on their feature list. I also can't load a GBU-54 which is also on their feature list.

 

Manual is being address by RAZBAM,

 

RAZBAM will be waiting for us to finish the GBU-54 for the A-10C II I imagine, which will be in the near future.

[laertesson]

Razbam’s behavior and actions in this train wreck of a thread (not to mention throughout the life of the Harrier and this forum) have ensured they’ll never get another buck from me. I think they’re in over their head in many ways (except of course artwork and new models, they’re sure good at that, but that’s not why we play DCS.)

Edited September 9, 2020 by laertesson

[bkthunder]

the module isn't garbage, or unplayable. The biggest issues I am seeing right now are poor communication, don't make things worse on that point but "over exaggerating", please.

 

Nine line, I guess you haven’t really had a deeper look at the Harrier otherwise you’d know the issue is not just poor communication.

 

Of the module is garbage or not is very subjective.

At this point for me it is garbage. It is useless.

 

Let’s stick to objective facts:

 

1. The harrier is a finished product (out of EA)

2. There is a product description

3. The product that is sold DOES NOT MATCH that product description

 

Imagine someone buying the Harrier today. They would do so based on the description on the store. They would quickly proceed to realize that, indeed, what they have paid for doesn’t include the features listed in the description, and that the features it does include are bugged or not working. They would then have all the reasons in the world to ask for a refund.

 

Now, for me and many other here the situation is only slightly different, as we have bought it during the EA period. However we still bought it based on the official description and expecting the product to reach release in a reasonable amount of time, in a state that matches the official description.

 

So, the fact the Harrier is now released means a simple thing: ED and Razbam are selling one thing, and delivering another.

 

- Scam

- Misleading advertising

- Fraud

 

are some of the words that are commonly associated with companies that engage in this type of behavior.

 

I don’t really think ED went into this on purpose, but now unless you clearly steer away and correct the situation, ED does actively engage in an unlawful behavior.

 

Can we please have an official statement from ED about how they intend to rectify the situation?

 

 

P.S. the Hawk was never released out of EA IIRC, Veao went out of business and never delivered the final product, in a way that means they didn’t really have to stick to the product description as they went bust before completion. The situation here is much different: Razbam is not bankrupt and the product is officially fully released.

[Ahmed]

Imagine someone buying the Harrier today. They would do so based on the description on the store. They would quickly proceed to realize that, indeed, what they have paid for doesn’t include the features listed in the description, and that the features it does include are bugged or not working. They would then have all the reasons in the world to ask for a refund.

 

This is a very valid point that maybe should prompt ED to have some kind of QA on 3rd parties before placing them on final release state

[FoxOne007]

Nine line, I guess you haven’t really had a deeper look at the Harrier otherwise you’d know the issue is not just poor communication.

 

Of the module is garbage or not is very subjective.

At this point for me it is garbage. It is useless.

 

Let’s stick to objective facts:

 

1. The harrier is a finished product (out of EA)

2. There is a product description

3. The product that is sold DOES NOT MATCH that product description

 

Imagine someone buying the Harrier today. They would do so based on the description on the store. They would quickly proceed to realize that, indeed, what they have paid for doesn’t include the features listed in the description, and that the features it does include are bugged or not working. They would then have all the reasons in the world to ask for a refund.

 

Now, for me and many other here the situation is only slightly different, as we have bought it during the EA period. However we still bought it based on the official description and expecting the product to reach release in a reasonable amount of time, in a state that matches the official description.

 

So, the fact the Harrier is now released means a simple thing: ED and Razbam are selling one thing, and delivering another.

 

- Scam

- Misleading advertising

- Fraud

 

are some of the words that are commonly associated with companies that engage in this type of behavior.

 

I don’t really think ED went into this on purpose, but now unless you clearly steer away and correct the situation, ED does actively engage in an unlawful behavior.

 

Can we please have an official statement from ED about how they intend to rectify the situation?

 

 

P.S. the Hawk was never released out of EA IIRC, Veao went out of business and never delivered the final product, in a way that means they didn’t really have to stick to the product description as they went bust before completion. The situation here is much different: Razbam is not bankrupt and the product is officially fully released.

 

 

Yes yes we get it now, you have said literally the same thing for the 6th time now, so take a chill you've made your point

[NineLine]

Sorry bk, I need a little more than that.

 

What exactly makes it useless to you? I am just talking to you specifically. I asked people to PM me their list of missing features, I had one person. I have seen 2 things from the store text missing, one is waiting on us, one has been explained (the manual).

 

I know there are bugs and other issues, and we are getting many of them reported internally. I know there are some fixes coming for some of the bigger issues as well.

 

But tell me personally why the Harrier is useless to you, what makes it unplayable. I am not being a smart ass, or joking, I am totally serious. And anyone else is welcome to do this. What makes the Harrier unplayable or broken to you. Those are the things I want to see addressed first.

 

Nine line, I guess you haven’t really had a deeper look at the Harrier otherwise you’d know the issue is not just poor communication.

 

Of the module is garbage or not is very subjective.

At this point for me it is garbage. It is useless.

 

Let’s stick to objective facts:

 

1. The harrier is a finished product (out of EA)

2. There is a product description

3. The product that is sold DOES NOT MATCH that product description

 

Imagine someone buying the Harrier today. They would do so based on the description on the store. They would quickly proceed to realize that, indeed, what they have paid for doesn’t include the features listed in the description, and that the features it does include are bugged or not working. They would then have all the reasons in the world to ask for a refund.

 

Now, for me and many other here the situation is only slightly different, as we have bought it during the EA period. However we still bought it based on the official description and expecting the product to reach release in a reasonable amount of time, in a state that matches the official description.

 

So, the fact the Harrier is now released means a simple thing: ED and Razbam are selling one thing, and delivering another.

 

- Scam

- Misleading advertising

- Fraud

 

are some of the words that are commonly associated with companies that engage in this type of behavior.

 

I don’t really think ED went into this on purpose, but now unless you clearly steer away and correct the situation, ED does actively engage in an unlawful behavior.

 

Can we please have an official statement from ED about how they intend to rectify the situation?

 

 

P.S. the Hawk was never released out of EA IIRC, Veao went out of business and never delivered the final product, in a way that means they didn’t really have to stick to the product description as they went bust before completion. The situation here is much different: Razbam is not bankrupt and the product is officially fully released.

[Fisherman82]

Razbam’s actions in this train wreck of a thread (not to mention throughout the life of the Harrier and this forum) have ensured they’ll never get another buck from me. I think they’re in over their head in many ways (except of course artwork and new models, they’re sure good at that, but that’s not why we play DCS.)

Indeed. Their behavior is just unbelivable.

 

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[jasonbirder]

Manual is being address by RAZBAM,

 

 

As the manual hasn't been published (yet) how can the module be described as "out of Early Access"

 

 

UNLESS ED is specifically saying & condoning that a feature complete & released module of a full-fidelity Plane DOESN'T require a manual?

 

 

What is ED's stance on this?

[naizarak]

if ED has confidence in the quality of its products and professionalism of 3rd party devs, then they should start offering refunds

[NineLine]

As the manual hasn't been published (yet) how can the module be described as "out of Early Access"

 

 

UNLESS ED is specifically saying & condoning that a feature complete & released module of a full-fidelity Plane DOESN'T require a manual?

 

 

What is ED's stance on this?

 

We talked to them, and apparently there was a miss-communication, that the manual was supposed to be done, but was held up by COVID (this is based on feedback from Baltic Dragon). They are going to get that addressed as soon as they can.

[SGT Coyle]

But tell me personally why the Harrier is useless to you, what makes it unplayable. I am not being a smart ass, or joking, I am totally serious. And anyone else is welcome to do this. What makes the Harrier unplayable or broken to you. Those are the things I want to see addressed first.

 

 

Missing Key binds for switches, Rotaries, and Encoders

 

 

EHSD Course Knob CW(Clockwise)&CCW(CounterClockWise)_____________EHSD knob is currently only operable using Clickable Cockpit cursor.

 

Backup ADI Cage/Pitch Knob CW & CCW______________________________Backup ADI Cage/Pitch Knob is currently only operable using Clickable Cockpit cursor.

 

Barometric Pressure Calibration knob CW & CCW____________________Barometric Pressure Calibration knob is currently only operable using Clickable Cockpit cursor.

 

HUD Video Brightness Control knob CW & CCW_______________________HUD Video Brightness Control knob is currently only operable using Clickable Cockpit cursor.

 

HUD Video Contrast Control knob CW & CCW HUD_____________________Video Contrast Control knob is currently only operable using Clickable Cockpit cursor.

 

EDP Brightness Control CW & CCW__________________________________EDP Brightness Control knob is currently only operable using Clickable Cockpit cursor.

 

V/UHF RCS Voume knob CW & CCW____________________________________V/UHF RCS Voume knob is currently only operable using Clickable Cockpit cursor.

 

V/UHF RCS Chan/Freq knob CW & CCW________________________________V/UHF RCS Chan/Freq knob is currently only operable using Clickable Cockpit cursor.

 

V/UHF RCS Operation Mode switch CW & CCW_________________________V/UHF RCS Operation Mode switch is currently only operable using Clickable Cockpit cursor.

 

V/UHF RCS Freq Mode switch CW & CCW______________________________V/UHF RCS Freq Mode switch is currently only operable using Clickable Cockpit cursor.

 

COMM 1 knob CW & CCW_____________________________________________COMM 1 knob is currently only operable using Clickable Cockpit cursor.

COMM 1 knob Push_________________________________________________COMM 1 knob Push is currently only operable using Clickable Cockpit cursor.

 

COMM 2 knob CW & CCW_____________________________________________COMM 2 knob is currently only operable using Clickable Cockpit cursor.

COMM 2 knob Push_________________________________________________COMM 2 knob Push is currently only operable using Clickable Cockpit cursor.

 

ICS AUX Volume knob CW & CCW_____________________________________ICS AUX Volume knob is currently only operable using Clickable Cockpit cursor.

 

ICS Ground Volume knob CW & CCW__________________________________ICS Ground Volume knob is currently only operable using Clickable Cockpit cursor.

 

Instruments Lighting knob CW & CCW_______________________________Instruments Lighting knob is currently only operable using Clickable Cockpit cursor.

 

Console Lighting knob CW & CCW___________________________________Console Lighting knob is currently only operable using Clickable Cockpit cursor.

 

Flood Lights CW & CCW____________________________________________Flood Lights knob is currently only operable using Clickable Cockpit cursor.

 

Warning Annunciator Lights knob CW & CCW_________________________Warning Annunciator Lights knob is currently only operable using Clickable Cockpit cursor.

 

Temperature Control knob CW & CCW________________________________Temperature Control knob is currently only operable using Clickable Cockpit cursor.

 

Formation Lights_________________________________________________Currently labled "Formation Lights Brightness Increase". Please addhear to a standard for Rotary Encoders.

Formation Lights CCW & CCW_______________________________________Formation Lights knob is currently only operable using Clickable Cockpit cursor.

 

Seat Adjust Up & Down____________________________________________Seat Adjust switch is currently only operable using Clickable Cockpit cursor.

 

Left Upper Flood Lamp CW & CCW___________________________________Left Upper Flood Lamp is currently only operable using Clickable Cockpit cursor.

 

Right Upper Flood Lamp CW & CCW__________________________________Right Upper Flood Lamp is currently only operable using Clickable Cockpit cursor.

 

UFC Display Brightness CW & CCW__________________________________Currently labled "HUD On-Brightness Increase". Please addhear to a standard for Rotary Encoders.

UFC Display Brightness CW & CCW__________________________________UFC Display Brightness knob is currently only operable using Clickable Cockpit cursor to turn CCW & CCW.

 

Weapon Fuse Control CW & CCW_____________________________________Currently labled "Weapon Fuse Control UP". Not an UP/DOWN switch. Confusing. Please addhear to a standard for Rotary Switches.

 

Oxygen Switch ON__________________________________________________At present only "Oxygen Switch OFF" command possible WTF? Lol!

 

 

 

 

That's just for starters

 

 

Can't understand how you have a study level sim with missing keybinds. Especially when there a thread dedicated to the subject. A thread dedicated to workarounds for something that should already be in game. And that's not just the Harrier, but it seems like all the modules have at least a few.

[NineLine]

Yes Ron mentioned that today that he requested that be addressed ASAP. I will stay on that one as well, thanks!

 

Missing Key binds for switches, Rotaries, and Encoders

 

 

EHSD Course Knob CW(Clockwise)&CCW(CounterClockWise)_____________EHSD knob is currently only operable using Clickable Cockpit cursor.

 

Backup ADI Cage/Pitch Knob CW & CCW______________________________Backup ADI Cage/Pitch Knob is currently only operable using Clickable Cockpit cursor.

 

Barometric Pressure Calibration knob CW & CCW____________________Barometric Pressure Calibration knob is currently only operable using Clickable Cockpit cursor.

 

HUD Video Brightness Control knob CW & CCW_______________________HUD Video Brightness Control knob is currently only operable using Clickable Cockpit cursor.

 

HUD Video Contrast Control knob CW & CCW HUD_____________________Video Contrast Control knob is currently only operable using Clickable Cockpit cursor.

 

EDP Brightness Control CW & CCW__________________________________EDP Brightness Control knob is currently only operable using Clickable Cockpit cursor.

 

V/UHF RCS Voume knob CW & CCW____________________________________V/UHF RCS Voume knob is currently only operable using Clickable Cockpit cursor.

 

V/UHF RCS Chan/Freq knob CW & CCW________________________________V/UHF RCS Chan/Freq knob is currently only operable using Clickable Cockpit cursor.

 

V/UHF RCS Operation Mode switch CW & CCW_________________________V/UHF RCS Operation Mode switch is currently only operable using Clickable Cockpit cursor.

 

V/UHF RCS Freq Mode switch CW & CCW______________________________V/UHF RCS Freq Mode switch is currently only operable using Clickable Cockpit cursor.

 

COMM 1 knob CW & CCW_____________________________________________COMM 1 knob is currently only operable using Clickable Cockpit cursor.

COMM 1 knob Push_________________________________________________COMM 1 knob Push is currently only operable using Clickable Cockpit cursor.

 

COMM 2 knob CW & CCW_____________________________________________COMM 2 knob is currently only operable using Clickable Cockpit cursor.

COMM 2 knob Push_________________________________________________COMM 2 knob Push is currently only operable using Clickable Cockpit cursor.

 

ICS AUX Volume knob CW & CCW_____________________________________ICS AUX Volume knob is currently only operable using Clickable Cockpit cursor.

 

ICS Ground Volume knob CW & CCW__________________________________ICS Ground Volume knob is currently only operable using Clickable Cockpit cursor.

 

Instruments Lighting knob CW & CCW_______________________________Instruments Lighting knob is currently only operable using Clickable Cockpit cursor.

 

Console Lighting knob CW & CCW___________________________________Console Lighting knob is currently only operable using Clickable Cockpit cursor.

 

Flood Lights CW & CCW____________________________________________Flood Lights knob is currently only operable using Clickable Cockpit cursor.

 

Warning Annunciator Lights knob CW & CCW_________________________Warning Annunciator Lights knob is currently only operable using Clickable Cockpit cursor.

 

Temperature Control knob CW & CCW________________________________Temperature Control knob is currently only operable using Clickable Cockpit cursor.

 

Formation Lights_________________________________________________Currently labled "Formation Lights Brightness Increase". Please addhear to a standard for Rotary Encoders.

Formation Lights CCW & CCW_______________________________________Formation Lights knob is currently only operable using Clickable Cockpit cursor.

 

Seat Adjust Up & Down____________________________________________Seat Adjust switch is currently only operable using Clickable Cockpit cursor.

 

Left Upper Flood Lamp CW & CCW___________________________________Left Upper Flood Lamp is currently only operable using Clickable Cockpit cursor.

 

Right Upper Flood Lamp CW & CCW__________________________________Right Upper Flood Lamp is currently only operable using Clickable Cockpit cursor.

 

UFC Display Brightness CW & CCW__________________________________Currently labled "HUD On-Brightness Increase". Please addhear to a standard for Rotary Encoders.

UFC Display Brightness CW & CCW__________________________________UFC Display Brightness knob is currently only operable using Clickable Cockpit cursor to turn CCW & CCW.

 

Weapon Fuse Control CW & CCW_____________________________________Currently labled "Weapon Fuse Control UP". Not an UP/DOWN switch. Confusing. Please addhear to a standard for Rotary Switches.

 

Oxygen Switch ON__________________________________________________At present only "Oxygen Switch OFF" command possible WTF? Lol!

 

 

 

 

That's just for starters

 

 

Can't understand how you have a study level sim with missing keybinds. Especially when there a thread dedicated to the subject. A thread dedicated to workarounds for something that should already be in game. And that's not just the Harrier, but it seems like all the modules have at least a few.

[SGT Coyle]

MPCD brightness you cant turn down. Symbology you can't adjust to a level you can read over an incredibly bright map display.

Edited September 10, 2020 by SGT Coyle

[SGT Coyle]

A TDC Axis that only slews when it wants to.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes Ron mentioned that today that he requested that be addressed ASAP. I will stay on that one as well, thanks!

 

 

Well tell him to reopen my thread and mark it reported. Pls

[NineLine]

Hud brightness you cant turn down. Symbology you can't adjust to a level you can read over an incredibly bright map display.

 

I will mention this as well, I know he said MFDs are being reworked currently for improvements ED introduced.

[NineLine]

 

 

 

 

Well tell him to reopen my thread

 

Link?

[Harlikwin]

 

But tell me personally why the Harrier is useless to you, what makes it unplayable. I am not being a smart ass, or joking, I am totally serious. And anyone else is welcome to do this. What makes the Harrier unplayable or broken to you. Those are the things I want to see addressed first.

 

Allright, to me the issue is that the weapon systems modeling is all funneled to a the master computer (MC). This modeling is either broken or non existent as are many of the systems that feed the MC.

 

In a simple case you wanna drop a bomb on target.

 

You find target with the ARBS which gives you the range/Height over target (HOT). Problems here are: no contrast lock modeled at all, video res is all wrong, but most egregiously and the angle rate solution is instant and perfect (which it should not be, the ARBS has to meet specific angle track rates for certain periods of time to determine range, this is well known, and not "sekrit".) In fact harrier pilots using the arbs would fly certain profiles so that the system would work, currently you need to none of this in DCS because its not modeled.

 

So once the ARBS has the the HOT, it has certain ways of accounting for moving targets (not modeled), or also wind effects on the aircraft (movers and winds are handled in a similar way in the real AC). None of this is modeled, so if your target is moving, or there is any crosswind, you will miss.

 

In case your ARBS for some reason isn't working or you don't have a good solution, other sensors are used to get that HOT, radar alt/gps alt/ baro alt. All which have their problems if the ground isn't perfectly level. I.e. hilly terrain. Currently it totally doesn't matter as none of these effects, beyond a hud symbol changing are modeled AFAIK.

 

These are the problems effecting every unguided delivery model in the harrier. The TGP can be your source of target info, and again, to get good precision you should have to use the laser ranger to get that HOT, and to my knowledge you don't have to.

 

And this is a "simple" case example.

 

I mean I believe that at some point the "res" issues with the TGP's will get fixed in some unified fashion, so that's a more minor issue. But the fact that how an entire core system like the ARBS/MC is left in this arcade like mode is a major beef for me. As is the entire toss delivery mode (which would even better if I could setup burst heights for CBUs). It would like not modeling the AGR on the Viggen level of bad IMO.

 

And this is an issue thats been brought up time and time again here for several years.

[Saruman]

Here's a pretty long list of things unimplemented/not working as intended for a study level sim outside of EA: https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=285495

 

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[key_stroked]

I asked people to PM me their list of missing features, I had one person

 

What about this thread?

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=285495

[SGT Coyle]

As far as missing keybinds go ED needs a clause to exact a fine for every missing key bind per unit sold. You do that and the missing keybinds issue will disappear.

 

 

But, I forget. ED doesn't release modules out of EA.

[SGT Coyle]

Requested thread

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=226802

[NineLine]

What about this thread?

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=285495

 

Thanks, I missed that with all that's going on.