Razbam/ED please clarify - Is the Harrier out of EA and consequently complete?

[SGT Coyle]

SGT Coyle, teacypher is asking for more information so he can report it, stop trying to make drama where there is none.

 

 

Where am I supposed to get that info? Pull it out of my but? I can do that. I'l just answer him with "Your wrong. Do it my way."

 

 

Is that the how we do it? Really.

[BIGNEWY]

Where am I supposed to get that info? Pull it out of my but? I can do that. I'l just answer him with "Your wrong. Do it my way."

 

 

Is that the how we do it? Really.

 

If you don't know the answer that is fine, bringing it up here is not needed.

[FoxOne007]

That is nothing more then a cheap excuse.

Was HB waiting with the AIM-54 on you?

Was Deka waiting with all their weapons on you?

Deka has terminal guidance in the Jeff, why is it missing in the Harrier? Oh, yes, once again, its ED's fault...

 

 

ED showed a GBU-32 about 2 years ago so yeah it makes sense for them to not do double work and just wait for ED to eventually add it (would be nice to see it soon ED). And as for the GBU-54 it would require ED to update the Laser Seeker and GPS logic in DCS due to the way the GBU-54 operates. So no it is not a cheap excuse it makes perfect sense. Again why waste time on something that is being made by the main game company already that you can then easily include....

[BIGNEWY]

ED showed a GBU-32 about 2 years ago so yeah it makes sense for them to not do double work and just wait for ED to eventually add it (would be nice to see it soon ED). And as for the GBU-54 it would require ED to update the Laser Seeker and GPS logic in DCS due to the way the GBU-54 operates. So no it is not a cheap excuse it makes perfect sense. Again why waste time on something that is being made by the main game company already that you can then easily include....

 

Correct, RAZBAM will be waiting for us to complete work on these weapons

[SGT Coyle]

Maybe my attempt to illustrate the folly of ED response here was poor.

I'm concerned that Razbam, when confronted with an avalanche of gripes, will understandably refute and refuse to fix gripes Ed can not back up with documentation.

 

 

Isn't that a legitimate concern?

Edited September 10, 2020 by SGT Coyle

[BIGNEWY]

Maybe my attempt to illustrate the folly of ED response here was poor.

I'm concerned that Razbam, when confronted with an avalanche of gripes, will understandably refute and refuse to fix gripes Ed can not back up with documentation.

 

 

Isn't that a legitimate concern?

 

We know your concerns you have made it very clear already, we have passed on the feedback.

 

The tester asked for more information, you do not have it, a simple reply to him in the thread would have been enough.

 

Thanks

[peeter]

The problem is, there is no time limit for a module to be EA.

 

Harrier have been unfinish for years and now they are working on other aircraft.

 

Can't ED impose a 2 year or so limit for a module to be out of the EA (with all the features working) ?

Edited September 10, 2020 by peeter

[Schmidtfire]

I don’t really know how to report this. The HUD symbology for AGM-122 is not working properly.

It locks below the target. Not only that, but according to NATOPS there are distinct behaviours and change of seekerhead movements and symbology not implemented. All we have is a static crosshair texture that resembles one of the example pictures in NATOPS. So in this case the system has a bug but is also under-modeled.

 

How do we deal with these type of issues without getting into trouble for posting documentation that may or may not be posted on the forums?

[SGT Coyle]

OK,

 

I'm tired too.

What's the issue with stepping the Harrier back to EA? I know it was posted, that that was not going to happen (paraphrasing), but I'm just curious to know what the barrier is?

[stormrider]

I don’t really know how to report this.

 

 

You should open a report in the Bugs & Issues of the module's forum section and provide the required evidence.

 

 

Posting here, in the middle of a 38 pages topic won't help.

[tea_cypher]

Schmid, that is actually fixed internal, at least where the reticale lies, have a look at some of the bugs swift has posted and how he refers to documents and provides supporting evidence.

[nessuno0505]

Ok, I may understand some of the issues: the manual is not ready we know why, some improvements need ED to update things first. Then why removing the early access label? I can wait even 5 years in EA, but at the end I need to have a study level module. I do not own any of the razbam modules but I was interested in the av-8b; now I am no more: that's not the kind of quality I expect in a DCS full module. Or maybe do they need to push the harrier out of EA so that they can start working on the strike eagle and "fulfill" their promises (no new modules until the old ones are finished)? Ccà nisciuno è fesso.

[Cunctator]

I think that's a sure bet. Probably they need to release a new module every two years to survive as a company. I doubt Razbam will ever finish something as complex as the F-15E to a true study sim level most here expect. Hopefully they will change their marketing strategy and make less bold claims before it will be declared "finished".

[Cornelius]

Yeah, you would think so. But in this interview a different reality is narrated.

 

"The primary source of revenue is made from creating and supporting training tools for armed forces."

 

[veenee]

Can't ED impose a 2 year or so limit for a module to be out of the EA (with all the features working) ?

 

And RAZBAM and others would say:

 

"Well, what about F/A-18? Why do we have to finish the modules within 2 years and you don't?".

[key_stroked]

The longer Razbam refuses to come in here and talk to us like an adult would, the worse their reputation gets (if that's even possible at this point).

[SGT Coyle]

The longer Razbam refuses to come in here and talk to us like an adult would, the worse their reputation gets (if that's even possible at this point).

Dude I feel your pain, but what could they say to sooth your ruffled feathers?

Not making light of your ruffled feathers. I have them too. I think the majority of folks here have them to some extent, but what I've read on their discord. They have little regard for you as a customer. And their employees have little regard for ED. Again, from what I've read and the interview, that's the perception I get. And it makes me uncomfortable.

 

 

 

 

 

I'm not ever going to engage in Razbam EA. If I see good reviews from my trusted sources, I might buy a finished product.

[nessuno0505]

And this whole topic Is all but a good review on a "finished" module...

[jasonbirder]

Dude I feel your pain, but what could they say to sooth your ruffled feathers?

 

 

WE'll put it back into EA status to reflect its current state and demonstrate we are commited to significant development resources being allocated to the AV8B II.

We are releasing the Manual xxx, we are adding the campaign yyy, critical issues brought up in the COmmunity Bug Tracker are being investigated and we hope to release ongoing fixes monthly as they are completed with each ED update with a view to brining it out of EA at the earliest possible time"

 

 

Its not rocket science is it?

[OPEC]

WE'll put it back into EA status to reflect its current state and demonstrate we are commited to significant development resources being allocated to the AV8B II.

We are releasing the Manual xxx, we are adding the campaign yyy, critical issues brought up in the COmmunity Bug Tracker are being investigated and we hope to release ongoing fixes monthly as they are completed with each ED update with a view to brining it out of EA at the earliest possible time"

 

 

Its not rocket science is it?

It is if you wanna make a s...load of money on the upcoming F-15. Just sayin...

 

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[SGT Coyle]

WE'll put it back into EA status to reflect its current state and demonstrate we are commited to significant development resources being allocated to the AV8B II.

We are releasing the Manual xxx, we are adding the campaign yyy, critical issues brought up in the COmmunity Bug Tracker are being investigated and we hope to release ongoing fixes monthly as they are completed with each ED update with a view to brining it out of EA at the earliest possible time"

 

 

Its not rocket science is it?

Well said

[Expert]

It is if you wanna make a s...load of money on the upcoming F-15. Just sayin...

What? F-15, really?

[TLTeo]

It is if you wanna make a s...load of money on the upcoming F-15. Just sayin...

 

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I'm not sure about that. By not addressing these issues I think they are losing potential customers. I don't think releasing the F-15 earlier will make up for that, particularly when a) it's not ready anyway because they don't have a 3d model yet and b) any new module will likely have the same issues as the current ones.

[HILOK]

Razbam do however have a LOT of money invested in the slew of new products lined up.

Very easy to put them under the thumb by simply NOT buying the incoming modules until they’ve resolved a reasonable amount of Harrier bugs.

 

exactly this.

 

there's not gonna be an F-15 or anything else from razbam for me, until the harrier debacle isn't sorted out.

[tugais]

And here we are, fellow Mirage pilots with a 5 years old module and still waiting for its completion. Be reassured, once the fourth year mark behind you, you won't react anymore and just wait for the module being feature complete.

 

Keep faith and vote with your wallets my friends !