ST0RM Posted October 18, 2020 Posted October 18, 2020 Much of the time in combat, the AAR door over the probe was removed from the F-14. This was to prevent it from being torn off if it became tangled with the drogue and become engine FOD. Can we get this as an option? Additionally, the IRIAF Tomcats were nearly always seen with it removed. 1
DoorMouse Posted October 19, 2020 Posted October 19, 2020 as in you have a big draggy open panel? I literally have never seen a tomcat like that. Can you post any pictures?
draconus Posted October 19, 2020 Posted October 19, 2020 https://cdn.britannica.com/29/127129-050-CA548102/F-14-flying-oil-wells-troops-Kuwaiti-Iraqi-August-1-1991.jpg https://i.pinimg.com/originals/72/e6/c4/72e6c404cf0421b5cb1c7f36f0a1e048.jpg https://miro.medium.com/max/1200/1*OPrieWzTMVkN0OzARomgtw.jpeg Win10 i7-10700KF 32GB RTX4070S Quest 3 T16000M VPC CDT-VMAX TFRP FC3 F-14A/B F-15E CA SC NTTR PG Syria
BreaKKer Posted October 19, 2020 Posted October 19, 2020 as in you have a big draggy open panel? I literally have never seen a tomcat like that. Can you post any pictures? You have seen a picture of it. The wallpaper screen for the tomcat in DCS is an F-14 with the door off BreaKKer CAG and Commanding Officer of: Carrier Air Wing Five // VF-154 Black Knights
Swordsman422 Posted October 19, 2020 Posted October 19, 2020 Especially during long missions with multiple aerial refuelings, the flimsy door fodding the engine was considered a bigger issue than any drag removal of the door might create.
Uxi Posted October 20, 2020 Posted October 20, 2020 You have seen a picture of it. The wallpaper screen for the tomcat in DCS is an F-14 with the door off Isn't that an F-14D, too, though? :music_whistling: DACA book shows one, too. Specs & Wishlist: Core i9 9900k 5.0Ghz, Asus ROG Maximus XI Hero, 64GB G.Skill Trident 3600, Asus RoG Strix 3090 OC, 2TB x Samsung Evo 970 M.2 boot. Samsung Evo 860 storage, Coolermaster H500M, ML360R AIO HP Reverb G2, Samsung Odyssey+ WMR; VKB Gunfighter 2, MCG Pro; Virpil T-50CM v3; Slaw RX Viper v2
Oesau Posted October 20, 2020 Posted October 20, 2020 Yes very common in the response to the iron maiden (KC-135 tanker fitting to the boom to allow drogue refueling).
ShinyMikey Posted October 22, 2020 Posted October 22, 2020 Yes, I have also thought about this before. It would be great if we had this option either in the special options menu or in game through the ground crew menu.
BreaKKer Posted October 22, 2020 Posted October 22, 2020 Isn't that an F-14D, too, though? :music_whistling: DACA book shows one, too. yes, it is an F-14D. But, it’s still an F-14 BreaKKer CAG and Commanding Officer of: Carrier Air Wing Five // VF-154 Black Knights
BreaKKer Posted February 26, 2021 Posted February 26, 2021 Poking this rather than making a new thread. I think this would be pretty handy for the deployment birds, could be an options menu change, or a mission editor thing BreaKKer CAG and Commanding Officer of: Carrier Air Wing Five // VF-154 Black Knights
Cab Posted February 26, 2021 Posted February 26, 2021 It appears Iran's F-14s were actually delivered with the AAR probe door removed. (See at 1:47)
draconus Posted February 26, 2021 Posted February 26, 2021 (edited) Better yet, 13:45 and 13:59 in the video above Edited February 26, 2021 by draconus Win10 i7-10700KF 32GB RTX4070S Quest 3 T16000M VPC CDT-VMAX TFRP FC3 F-14A/B F-15E CA SC NTTR PG Syria
Uxi Posted February 26, 2021 Posted February 26, 2021 Cosmetically should be relatively easy for the talented skinners to do. I suspect there should be some slight drag added, though doubt we can hope for that. Specs & Wishlist: Core i9 9900k 5.0Ghz, Asus ROG Maximus XI Hero, 64GB G.Skill Trident 3600, Asus RoG Strix 3090 OC, 2TB x Samsung Evo 970 M.2 boot. Samsung Evo 860 storage, Coolermaster H500M, ML360R AIO HP Reverb G2, Samsung Odyssey+ WMR; VKB Gunfighter 2, MCG Pro; Virpil T-50CM v3; Slaw RX Viper v2
draconus Posted February 26, 2021 Posted February 26, 2021 2 hours ago, Uxi said: Cosmetically should be relatively easy for the talented skinners to do. A texture? The refueling probe is animated and fully modeled even in the retracted state. So it's just about removing the cover parts. Win10 i7-10700KF 32GB RTX4070S Quest 3 T16000M VPC CDT-VMAX TFRP FC3 F-14A/B F-15E CA SC NTTR PG Syria
BreaKKer Posted February 27, 2021 Posted February 27, 2021 Seeing that the refueling probe itself is a pivot in the 3D modeling software, you should in theory be able to select the probe door itself, and hide it/delete it, unless the probe and the door itself are meshed together as one BreaKKer CAG and Commanding Officer of: Carrier Air Wing Five // VF-154 Black Knights
Skysurfer Posted February 27, 2021 Posted February 27, 2021 Would be a nice touch for authnticity on some birds but very low prio. if you ask me.
BreaKKer Posted March 20, 2021 Posted March 20, 2021 poke BreaKKer CAG and Commanding Officer of: Carrier Air Wing Five // VF-154 Black Knights
BreaKKer Posted August 4, 2021 Posted August 4, 2021 2003, 2x F-14B from VF-2 aboard the USS Constellation with their AAR doors removed BreaKKer CAG and Commanding Officer of: Carrier Air Wing Five // VF-154 Black Knights
Gunslinger22 Posted August 4, 2021 Posted August 4, 2021 2 hours ago, BreaKKer said: 2003, 2x F-14B from VF-2 aboard the USS Constellation with their AAR doors removed They’re both F-14D’s, from what I’ve read removing the doors was on a squadron to squadron basis and was more of an east coast thing to do. "I'm just a dude, playing a dude, disguised as another dude."
Swordsman422 Posted August 4, 2021 Posted August 4, 2021 (edited) 9 hours ago, Gunslinger22 said: They’re both F-14D’s, from what I’ve read removing the doors was on a squadron to squadron basis and was more of an east coast thing to do. And yet VF-2 was a West Coast squadron... Removing the door was common on long missions when anticipating the possibility of tanking from the KC-135, which had a much more unforgiving basket than any other tanker. The door was flimsy and could be knocked off and sucked down the right intake, which was bad news for the F-14. It was done regardless of fleet or model when the need arose. To be completely fair, I don't really see a need for it unless that type of damage is to be simulated. Otherwise it's just a nice feature. Edited August 4, 2021 by Swordsman422
Gunslinger22 Posted August 4, 2021 Posted August 4, 2021 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Swordsman422 said: And yet VF-2 was a West Coast squadron... Removing the door was common on long missions when anticipating the possibility of tanking from the KC-135, which had a much more unforgiving basket than any other tanker. The door was flimsy and could be knocked off and sucked down the right intake, which was bad news for the F-14. It was done regardless of fleet or model when the need arose. To be completely fair, I don't really see a need for it unless that type of damage is to be simulated. Otherwise it's just a nice feature. Well VF-2 at that timeframe was an east coast squadron, as all Tomcats were at that point. So technically all the pictures you have attached are of East coast squadrons. I believe I heard it in an interview with Okie Nance that he states it was an East Coast thing and something about West Coast being better pilots, though that can naturally put that down as more bravado than pure fact. Edited August 4, 2021 by Gunslinger22 "I'm just a dude, playing a dude, disguised as another dude."
Swordsman422 Posted August 4, 2021 Posted August 4, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Gunslinger22 said: Well VF-2 at that timeframe was an east coast squadron, as all Tomcats were at that point... Not... really. Yes, by this point all the F-14 squadrons save VF-154 were home based at Oceana NAS, which was CinCAirLant's master jet base, but as indicated by the tail code starting with N, VF-2 deployed with PacFleet airwings and is still considered a PacFleet squadron. Here's a VF-1 jet from 1992, before the transfer of NAS Miramar to the USMC with the probe door gone... VF-21 during ODS. Hard to see, but here's another PacFleet jet with no probe door, tanking from the reason why the door got frequently removed. VF-211 in 1992, same deal... Demonstrably, it was common enough across all squadrons regardless of coast during the F-14's career. Edited August 4, 2021 by Swordsman422
BreaKKer Posted August 29, 2021 Posted August 29, 2021 Mid 70s VF-1 with the 101 bird's AAR door off BreaKKer CAG and Commanding Officer of: Carrier Air Wing Five // VF-154 Black Knights
Reccelow Posted September 23, 2024 Posted September 23, 2024 (edited) I know this is an old thread, and may of been covered elsewhere, but I recently wanted to do the same. Add a custom argument to your livery description.lua (look in your livery folder for the tomcat skin you want to mod), eg : mine are in \Saved Games\DCS\Liveries\F-14A-135-GR\ The specific custom argument is: [1616] = 1.0, --probe door missing Here is a livery I've added custom arguments to have canopy up, RIO in seat doing a pod check with techs in ramp maint type setting. custom_args = { [0021] = 1.0, --air brake [0022] = 0.0, --probe [0038] = 0.960, --canopy [0091] = 1.0, --ladder [0150] = 0.0, --visor up [0200] = 0.0, --oxy mask off [0472] = 0.420, --RIO [0606] = 1.0, --Lantirn [0607] = -0.540, --lantirn open [0700] = 0.365, --ext tank mounts [1601] = 1.0, --RIO lean in to dash [1616] = 1.0, --probe door missing } Edited September 23, 2024 by Reccelow spelling 4 2
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