Have Landing Physics changed ?

[Droning_On]

Very rarely crash on landings.... roll on last update? now my main undercarrage just vanishes like im landing in a swap???? anyone having this issue?

[Florence201]

Not in SP or MP. Sorry

[Xavven]

The brakes seem to cause me to swerve off course more than usual in this version, yes.

[Ziptie]

Haven't noticed a difference here.

 

 

Cheers,

 

Ziptie

[DimSim]

I'm new to F-16, so not sure if pilot error or what you describe.

I've tried a soft and good looking landing which had my plane flip upside down and crash instantly on touching the ground.

This has happened twice.

I'd expect to bounce, swerve out of control etc. but this was an instant crash on what otherwise appeared to be reasonable landing.

[ebabil]

I didn't notice any difference. It was awful from the first day.

When I am trying to make taxi less than 1500 fuel flow, plane tries to go left or right. During landing is a worse story, brake = off the runway from the sides, no brake = off the runway from the end :)

hornet, a-10 and tomcat are far better than viper on the ground

[Snake122]

The Viper has a reputation for being hard to land well isn't the most stable on the ground. While it wasn't caused by bad pilot handling, just bad choices, this video does show how easy the plane is to tip over:

I didn't notice any difference. It was awful from the first day.

When I am trying to make taxi less than 1500 fuel flow, plane tries to go left or right. During landing is a worse story, brake = off the runway from the sides, no brake = off the runway from the end :)

hornet, a-10 and tomcat are far better than viper on the ground

Aerobraking by keeping the gun cross at about 10° nose up until you can start applying brakes is very important to landing distance in the Viper. Letting the nose drop right after the mains touch means you are going off the end of the runway.

 

 

[Glide]

I landed without trailing-edge flaperons yesterday. Most damaged landing yet! I have tried two fuel tanks vs one center tank. The new takeoff behavior feels more smooth with both, but you still waddle a bit. :)

[ebabil]

The problem for me starts with the aerobrake actually. Plane tends to go left or right, since the front gear is not on the ground, correction is almost impossible. After nose gear is on the ground, I have to apply 2 sec brake then release and rudder, brake and release and so on. If I use full brake, I end up off the runway or spin.

[Devrim]

No problem here actually. Physics and NWS on the ground work fine here. :)

[macedk]

Also some fine tuning of rudder pedals might be a thing to look at.. For dcs crew: Is tire to ground modelled ? Maybe something to tweak :)

[SpaceMonkey037]

No harsh fellings, but the ground physics seem to be very good with the F-16. If you do correct landing procedures you shouldn't get any problems with landing physics. The plane is supposed to wobble around a bit when aerobraking, it's just the nature of the plane. Also make sure to not land in too much of a cross wind, the F-16 is rated for a maximum of 25 degrees crosswind component. My advice, don't be too agressive on the rudder.

[Terzi]

Aerobraking by keeping the gun cross at about 10° nose up until you can start applying brakes is very important to landing distance in the Viper. Letting the nose drop right after the mains touch means you are going off the end of the runway.

 

 

Aerobraking does not reduce the landing distance, in fact it lengthens it. The reason for aerobreaking is to reduce the total amount of energy that the wheel brakes needs to absorb. Excessive braking causes overheating and brake failure. This is called "hot break". If you use the brakes at 140 knots, you will need twice as much energy absorption than you would brake at 100 knots.

 

By the way, landing does not feel right. It is hard to control once the nose gets a bit drifted. Even the differential braking has little help

Edited November 26, 2020 by Terzi
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[Droning_On]

No harsh fellings, but the ground physics seem to be very good with the F-16. If you do correct landing procedures you shouldn't get any problems with landing physics. The plane is supposed to wobble around a bit when aerobraking, it's just the nature of the plane. Also make sure to not land in too much of a cross wind, the F-16 is rated for a maximum of 25 degrees crosswind component. My advice, don't be too agressive on the rudder.

 

My ground physics seem fine tbh....taxi, takeoffs are fine...F-16 does seem a bit light on crosswinds with rudder required (how can you tell the crosswind speed prior to landing?) , other than that it feels great. You get used to the “tipping” and SLOWDOWN.

 

Im beginning to think my landing issues on the original post may have been something to do with the Syria mission i was running. Seems fine on other map missions. Just wish the landing gear was modelled a bit better for bad “heavy” landings. <—— ED add to wishlist :thumbup:

 

[Droning_On]

Aerobraking by keeping the gun cross at about 10° nose up until you can start applying brakes is very important to landing distance in the Viper. Letting the nose drop right after the mains touch means you are going off the end of the runway.

 

 

Aerobraking does not reduce the landing distance, in fact it lengthens it. The reason for aerobreaking is to reduce the total amount of energy that the wheel brakes needs to absorb. Excessive braking causes overheating and brake failure. This is called "hot break". If you use the brakes at 140 knots, you will need twice as much energy absorption than you would brake at 100 knots.

 

By the way, landing does not feel right. It is hard to control once the nose gets a bit drifted. Even the differential braking has little help

My brake is mapped to a hotas button.......dont have peddles...... so i aerobrake then 100% wheel brake at around 100-105knots.......still leave lots of rubber on the runway

[SpaceMonkey037]

 

My ground physics seem fine tbh....taxi, takeoffs are fine...F-16 does seem a bit light on crosswinds with lots of rudder required, other than that it feels great. You get used to the “tipping” and SLOWDOWN.

 

Im beginning to think my landing issues on the original post may have been something to do with the Syria mission i was running. Seems fine on other map missions. Just wish the landing gear was modelled a bit better for bad “heavy” landings. <—— ED add to wishlist :thumbup:

 

 

The aircraft is supposed to wobble a bit, it's just how the landing gear works. Keep in mind the maximum allowed landing crosswind component too land in is 25 knots. You might also need to add some roll input not tip over when landing with crosswind.

[=52d= Skip]

Droning_On said:

 

My ground physics seem fine tbh....taxi, takeoffs are fine...F-16 does seem a bit light on crosswinds with rudder required (how can you tell the crosswind speed prior to landing?) , other than that it feels great. You get used to the “tipping” and SLOWDOWN.

 

Im beginning to think my landing issues on the original post may have been something to do with the Syria mission i was running. Seems fine on other map missions. Just wish the landing gear was modelled a bit better for bad “heavy” landings. <—— ED add to wishlist :thumbup:

 

If you dobber right you´ll see Wind Speed/ Direction in your DED (you can see it in the video).

 

Ground handling has improved recently so no complains here, even if not super light and fast.

 

 

Edited December 1, 2020 by =52d= Skip

[104th_Money]

If you watch the wheels during landing, maximum braking starts locking up the wheels. They are not working properly in anti-skid forcing the jet to pull to one side or the other. If they did, the jet would be much easier to control down the runway as long as crosswind wasnt a factor.

 

As far as crosswind landings, test pilots successfully landed the F-16 in 37kt crosswinds and recommended a 35kt maximum crosswind landing for regular operations but the person in charge of actually setting the limit decided on 25kts. 

[Skysurfer]

10 hours ago, 104th_Money said:

If you watch the wheels during landing, maximum braking starts locking up the wheels. They are not working properly in anti-skid forcing the jet to pull to one side or the other. If they did, the jet would be much easier to control down the runway as long as crosswind wasnt a factor.

 

As far as crosswind landings, test pilots successfully landed the F-16 in 37kt crosswinds and recommended a 35kt maximum crosswind landing for regular operations but the person in charge of actually setting the limit decided on 25kts. 

 

Yes, the Hornet suffers from the same problem. Wheels lock up and A-SKID does not work.

Edited December 4, 2020 by Skysurfer

[Raven (Elysian Angel)]

I used to aerobrake until hitting 100 knots, and only then engage the wheel brakes. This way I often needed pretty much every metre of runway space to come to a stop.
The way I handle the F-16 transformed after reading 'Semper Viper', after someone here on the forum (I forgot who) recommended it.