Wizard_03 Posted June 12, 2024 Author Posted June 12, 2024 (edited) Asking about Strapping bombs to F-15C is, in my mind, like asking about towing capacity and trunk space at the Lamborghini dealership. Also there's a special version of the F-15 that is available now that you can do all sorts of mud moving activities with. I'm looking for a big hairy no joke fighter personally. However if the radar performance on the F-15E is any indication of what a FF F-15C should able to do, the FC3 eagle's current implementation is very outdated. Which we already knew/predicted here of course. But with those big ole CFTs that eagle handles like a pig in dogfights. So we don't have a eagle currently in game, that can both dominate in BVR and dominate at the merge. Hence this thread. Edited June 12, 2024 by Wizard_03 4 DCS F/A-18C :sorcerer:
Solution Wizard_03 Posted January 16 Author Solution Posted January 16 Thanks ED! This year you made my dreams come true! https://youtu.be/4Q37cbS0XKY?si=jvSwa7JEd-W0WWMi 8 DCS F/A-18C :sorcerer:
Dragon1-1 Posted January 16 Posted January 16 On 6/12/2024 at 5:38 PM, Wizard_03 said: Asking about Strapping bombs to F-15C is, in my mind, like asking about towing capacity and trunk space at the Lamborghini dealership. I don't know if you're aware, but Lambo makes SUVs now, too (the Urus)... The Eaglejet actually had some pretty nice air to ground features for its time, it's just USAF specifically didn't use them very much. Israelis did, though. It should at least be able to carry some dumb bombs. 2
Wizard_03 Posted January 17 Author Posted January 17 24 minutes ago, Dragon1-1 said: I don't know if you're aware, but Lambo makes SUVs now, too (the Urus)... The Eaglejet actually had some pretty nice air to ground features for its time, it's just USAF specifically didn't use them very much. Israelis did, though. It should at least be able to carry some dumb bombs. You got me there, and they sure hurt my eyes. Lol But by nice you mean CCIP and CCRP for dumb bombs because pretty much every fighter in the US arsenal can do that. None can match F-15 performance in A2A thou. Save for the F-22. The use case/cost for dropping dumb bombs with an air superiority asset like the F-15C by USAF/ANG is essentially none. If it's all you got then it's all you got but they have and have had much better jets for that. Not the least Including a special version of the F-15. If dropping dumb bombs with DCS FF F-15C is make or brake feature for anyone, I feel bad for them. DCS F/A-18C :sorcerer:
draconus Posted January 17 Posted January 17 6 hours ago, Wizard_03 said: If dropping dumb bombs with DCS FF F-15C is make or brake feature for anyone, I feel bad for them. It's not but why would you accept this omission from full fidelity modeling? You want them to model only your favorite features? 1 Win10 i7-10700KF 32GB RTX4070S Quest 3 T16000M VPC CDT-VMAX TFRP FC3 F-14A/B F-15E CA SC NTTR PG Syria
bies Posted January 17 Posted January 17 (edited) On 1/6/2024 at 10:40 PM, FlankerKiller said: With the announcement of the MiG-2A, I feel the need to reiterate my desire for a Cold War C model Eagle. It’s the perfect companion aircraft, and so much is already done. It looks like there is going to be a huge plane set for the late Cold War “soon,” in DCS terms anyway. The F-15C would fit right into it. It literally could have or did fight everything from the Fulcrum to the Tomcat. It’s a gold mine of a module just sitting there half completed as is. Think about it you could sell a 1980s C model then hit us with a small paid upgrade to a mid 2000s C with all the goodies. Just think about it. That's true, it would be great if F-15C would also take part in combat over Fulda Gap and Desert Storm: Edited January 17 by bies 2
Lyrode Posted January 17 Posted January 17 Why does ED persist on cutting out the AG ability of the C eagle? I get it that USAF never allowed that in their doctrine, but that's a built-in feature. I seldom do AG even in multi-role jets like F-16C so it doesn't bother me, but as a full fidelity module it should get what it has. 2
twistking Posted January 17 Posted January 17 1 hour ago, Lyrode said: Why does ED persist on cutting out the AG ability of the C eagle? [...] Do they? My improved* wishlist after a decade with DCS *now with 17% more wishes compared to the original
draconus Posted January 17 Posted January 17 11 minutes ago, twistking said: Do they? "As this is based on the US F-15C, it solely carries air-to-air weapons." 1 Win10 i7-10700KF 32GB RTX4070S Quest 3 T16000M VPC CDT-VMAX TFRP FC3 F-14A/B F-15E CA SC NTTR PG Syria
twistking Posted January 17 Posted January 17 Just now, draconus said: "As this is based on the US F-15C, it solely carries air-to-air weapons." I see. How unfortunate! 1 My improved* wishlist after a decade with DCS *now with 17% more wishes compared to the original
Raven (Elysian Angel) Posted January 17 Posted January 17 (edited) 13 hours ago, Wizard_03 said: If dropping dumb bombs with DCS FF F-15C is make or brake feature for anyone, I feel bad for them. Obviously it isn't, but I would want it to be included into the module for the very simple reason that the capability (and the wiring) was present. Besides, this is DCS so we are not constrained by RL considerations. I have never carried Zuni rockets on my DCS F-14 but I am happy the capability is there for those who choose to use it - as the RL bird was cleared and able to carry and use them. Edited January 17 by Raven (Elysian Angel) the current state of my brain makes grammar difficult it seems 3 Spoiler Ryzen 9 5900X | 64GB G.Skill TridentZ 3600 | Asus ProArt RTX 4080 Super | ASUS ROG Strix X570-E GAMING | Samsung 990Pro 2TB + 960Pro 1TB NMVe | VR: Varjo Aero Pro Flight Trainer Puma | VIRPIL MT-50CM2 grip on VPForce Rhino with Z-curve extension | Virpil CM3 throttle | Virpil CP2 + 3 | FSSB R3L | VPC Rotor TCS Plus base with SharKa-50 grip | Everything mounted on Monstertech MFC-1 | TPR rudder pedals OpenXR | PD 1.0 | 100% render resolution | DCS graphics settings
PLUTON Posted January 17 Posted January 17 Personally NO I prefer two-seaters and I find that ED has mainly made single-seaters so if ED wants to make a module he should go directly to two-seaters, that would be interesting.
Raven (Elysian Angel) Posted January 17 Posted January 17 (edited) 2 minutes ago, PLUTON said: so if ED wants to make a module he should go directly to two-seaters, that would be interesting. *cough* Apache *cough* Mi-24 And UH-1, Mi-8, ... Edited January 17 by Raven (Elysian Angel) 2 Spoiler Ryzen 9 5900X | 64GB G.Skill TridentZ 3600 | Asus ProArt RTX 4080 Super | ASUS ROG Strix X570-E GAMING | Samsung 990Pro 2TB + 960Pro 1TB NMVe | VR: Varjo Aero Pro Flight Trainer Puma | VIRPIL MT-50CM2 grip on VPForce Rhino with Z-curve extension | Virpil CM3 throttle | Virpil CP2 + 3 | FSSB R3L | VPC Rotor TCS Plus base with SharKa-50 grip | Everything mounted on Monstertech MFC-1 | TPR rudder pedals OpenXR | PD 1.0 | 100% render resolution | DCS graphics settings
draconus Posted January 17 Posted January 17 It's probably comfortable way to cop out of the less popular features to keep the scope in check, thus lowering the cost of development. There, I've said it. My opinion - if the aircraft can do it without software or hardware changes - make it possible in DCS. Deal breaker? No. 1 Win10 i7-10700KF 32GB RTX4070S Quest 3 T16000M VPC CDT-VMAX TFRP FC3 F-14A/B F-15E CA SC NTTR PG Syria
Wizard_03 Posted January 17 Author Posted January 17 7 hours ago, draconus said: It's not but why would you accept this omission from full fidelity modeling? You want them to model only your favorite features? I just don't really care about the F-15s dumb bomb capacity. It's a fighter. That's kind of a silly thing to get hot and bothered over. In my opinion, it makes no difference to me if they add it or not I won't be using it that way. 3 DCS F/A-18C :sorcerer:
MAXsenna Posted January 17 Posted January 17 Personally NO I prefer two-seaters and I find that ED has mainly made single-seaters so if ED wants to make a module he should go directly to two-seaters, that would be interesting.The F-15C is primarily a single seat fighter, with the D as a trainer. You could wish for both, while I don't see it coming. Sent from my SM-A536B using Tapatalk 3
mkellytx Posted January 18 Posted January 18 On 1/16/2025 at 6:32 PM, Wizard_03 said: You got me there, and they sure hurt my eyes. Lol But by nice you mean CCIP and CCRP for dumb bombs because pretty much every fighter in the US arsenal can do that. None can match F-15 performance in A2A thou. Save for the F-22. The use case/cost for dropping dumb bombs with an air superiority asset like the F-15C by USAF/ANG is essentially none. If it's all you got then it's all you got but they have and have had much better jets for that. Not the least Including a special version of the F-15. If dropping dumb bombs with DCS FF F-15C is make or brake feature for anyone, I feel bad for them. There are theaters in the game, with F-15C users who happen to use that capability quite regularly. It would be nice to have. The USAF jets had the modes on the jets. Reminds me of a story I heard from DS where the Eagle drivers were bored on the long flight over to Saudi and started playing with those modes out of boredom. One noticed it wasn't working correctly and wrote it up in the forms. The response back was something on the order of what the @$# @#$3 $^%$^ were you doing using that, and how @#$@ $%# $%^$% stupid are you for writing it up. Sounds like it meets the 10% truth threshold... 1
Cobrajet Posted January 18 Posted January 18 15 hours ago, PLUTON said: I was talking about aircraft modules, not helicopters. Like the L39 or the Mosquito? 1
bies Posted January 18 Posted January 18 Ground pounders, interceptors and trainers as double-seaters, because it makes them better (dedicated sensors and weapon operator or navigator at cost of some performance); like Tornado IDS, A-6E, Mi-24P, F-15E, AH-64D, Mosquito, F-4E, C-101, L-39, UH-1, Gazelle, Bo-105, Mi-8, F-14A/B, TF-51, Mirage F.1BE etc. Fighters as single-seaters, beacuse it makes them better (better kinematic performance, acceleration, range, lower drag, better high AoA stability); like F-15C, F-16C, MiG-21, MiG-29, Su-27, Kfir, F-100, F-104, MiG-17, MiG-19, F/A-18, Eurofighter, Mirage F.1C, P-51, Mirage 2000 etc. 2
YoYo Posted January 18 Posted January 18 Does anyone have an idea what the cockpit will look like in this version of the F-15C circa 2005? Webmaster of http://www.yoyosims.pl Win 10 64, i9-13900 KF, RTX 4090 24Gb OC, RAM 64Gb Corsair Vengeance LED OC@3600MHz,, 3xSSD+3xSSD M.2 NVMe, Predator XB271HU res.2560x1440 27'' G-sync, Sound Blaster Z + 5.1, TiR5, [MSFS, P3Dv5, DCS, RoF, Condor2, IL-2 CoD/BoX] VR fly only: Meta Quest Pro
Lyrode Posted January 18 Posted January 18 (edited) 21分钟前，YoYo说： Does anyone have an idea what the cockpit will look like in this version of the F-15C circa 2005? Hardwares are basically identical to what we have now in the FC version. Edited January 18 by Lyrode 2
bies Posted January 18 Posted January 18 (edited) 7 hours ago, YoYo said: Does anyone have an idea what the cockpit will look like in this version of the F-15C circa 2005? From 1985 MSIP II modernisation - up to around 2017 the cockpit looked basically the same. Since 2017 after Radar Modernisation Program (RMP) with AN/APG-63v(3) Low Probability of Intercept (LPI) AESA, F-15C started to receive Passive Attack Display (PAD) 10.4-inch XGA sunlight-readable and NVIS-compatible flat panel display with a resolution of 1024 x 768 pixels. Much later then what we will have in DCS. Below: (1) F-15A/C 1974 - 1985. Original analog-digital mix avionics, modern cockpit with HUD and great layout for 1970s when F-15A was considered a superfighter. (2) F-15C MSIP II 1985 - 2017. added Programmable Armament Control Set (PACS), Multi-Purpose Color Display (MPCD), F-15 Advanced Control Stick Grip (ACSG) (3) F-15C Golden Eagle 2017 - 2026 (phasing out F-15C from USAF). added Passive Attack Display (PAD) Edited January 18 by bies 2 2
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