GGTharos Posted July 15, 2008 Posted July 15, 2008 You'll find out when that module's being developed. Asking now won't get you an answer, though I am certain they are strongly considering it :) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
nemises Posted July 15, 2008 Posted July 15, 2008 ^^ that seems to be the sort of thing that could be done with event triggers to me ? (like in Arma for eg)..unless you want to see specific animations of soldiers getting in and out of the chopper... Of course, beeing DCS, it would haveto modify the flight characteristics of the aircraft also due to increased mass , so yeah, I guess it couldnt be done "peoperly" with triggers, just simulated.
Stratos Posted July 16, 2008 Posted July 16, 2008 Will add a lot to the sim, so hope DCS really consider it I don't understand anything in russian except Davai Davai!
Canada Posted July 16, 2008 Posted July 16, 2008 The fan has got to be some sort of backup rotor, right ? Helicopters fly.
Boberro Posted July 16, 2008 Posted July 16, 2008 When I'll play Mi-24 in DCS it'll remind me a Rambo movie with Mi fights ;] Reminder: Fighter pilots make movies. Bomber pilots make... HISTORY! :D | Also to be remembered: FRENCH TANKS HAVE ONE GEAR FORWARD AND FIVE BACKWARD :D ಠ_ಠ ツ
Feuerfalke Posted July 16, 2008 Posted July 16, 2008 You only need a Puma for that and glue some wings on it. :D MSI X670E Gaming Plus | AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D | 64 GB DDR4 | AMD RX 6900 XT | LG 55" @ 4K | Cougar 1000 W | CreativeX G6 | TIR5 | CH HOTAS (with BU0836X-12 Bit) + Crosswind Pedals | Win11 64 HP | StreamDeck XL | 3x TM MFD
ThunderChief Posted July 16, 2008 Author Posted July 16, 2008 ED has to develop a new AFM then ;) - Advanced Fan Model 1
Dunkan Aidaho Posted July 16, 2008 Posted July 16, 2008 Will say again :) Will be possible to drop/recover infantry squads in the DCS Hind? Drop people with Iglas near the enemy helipad? I like this!:D Open your eyes, open yor mind... ©Guano Apes Sorry for my bad english.
- Piloto da Morte - Posted July 16, 2008 Posted July 16, 2008 I saw a video of the Mi-24 flying with the propeller off, only turbines on, can the Ka-50 do it too?? Mi-24 Hind have this big fixed wings for fly with propellers off? 1
GGTharos Posted July 16, 2008 Posted July 16, 2008 What you saw was the rotor matching a multiple of the camera's FPS, making the rotor appear to have stopped. How do you think it can fly without the rotor well ... rotating? ;) Seriously ;) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
nemises Posted July 16, 2008 Posted July 16, 2008 ya, the "big fixed wings" are not wings I'm afraid, just external hardpoint mounts. The rotorblade is the only Wing and the only thing that generates lift on any helo AFAIK
Boberro Posted July 16, 2008 Posted July 16, 2008 I saw a video of the Mi-24 flying with the propeller off, only turbines on, can the Ka-50 do it too?? Mi-24 Hind have this big fixed wings for fly with propellers off? Only don't say u believed it? LOOL Guys, please hahha :D:lol::megalol::rotflmao: You made for me good end of day ;) Ok, enough :D Reminder: Fighter pilots make movies. Bomber pilots make... HISTORY! :D | Also to be remembered: FRENCH TANKS HAVE ONE GEAR FORWARD AND FIVE BACKWARD :D ಠ_ಠ ツ
- Piloto da Morte - Posted July 16, 2008 Posted July 16, 2008 What you saw was the rotor matching a multiple of the camera's FPS, making the rotor appear to have stopped. How do you think it can fly without the rotor well ... rotating? ;) Seriously ;) FAKE OR NOT what i say is here :D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvLn1SVyuBg
GGTharos Posted July 16, 2008 Posted July 16, 2008 Most of us have seen it. It isn't fake, rather it is just people not knowing what they are seeing. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
sobek Posted July 16, 2008 Posted July 16, 2008 Interesting how accurately the ECU is able to maintain rotor RPM even when the heli is maneuvering. Thumbs up to Mil :thumbup: Good, fast, cheap. Choose any two. Come let's eat grandpa! Use punctuation, save lives!
arneh Posted July 16, 2008 Posted July 16, 2008 ya, the "big fixed wings" are not wings I'm afraid, just external hardpoint mounts. The rotorblade is the only Wing and the only thing that generates lift on any helo AFAIK That's not quite true, at high speed the wings do provide up to a quarter of the total lift for the Mi-24. But it's not able to fly on the wings alone.
Rhino4 Posted July 16, 2008 Posted July 16, 2008 @ Sobek: Wow, you're right. I hadn't thought of that. Also: scroll down and look at all the posts. It's rather funny how many people made stupid comments without bothering to read the other comments and figure it out for themselves.
Vekkinho Posted July 16, 2008 Posted July 16, 2008 When I'll play Mi-24 in DCS it'll remind me a Rambo movie with Mi fights ;] Yeah, Rabmo-III IIRC! the only problem is I saw no Mils in that movie! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Boberro Posted July 16, 2008 Posted July 16, 2008 (edited) I know it wasn't 100% Mi but only Puma 'n' Squirrel :P. But looks like similar :D (in Rambo 3 creating time it was hard to get original Soviet military vehicle so used equivalents :}) Edited July 16, 2008 by Boberro Reminder: Fighter pilots make movies. Bomber pilots make... HISTORY! :D | Also to be remembered: FRENCH TANKS HAVE ONE GEAR FORWARD AND FIVE BACKWARD :D ಠ_ಠ ツ
Esac_mirmidon Posted July 16, 2008 Posted July 16, 2008 Yes, tunned Gazelles and Pumas. The numerals and overal paint scheme were very cool. " You must think in russian.." [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Windows 7 Home Premium-Intel 2500K OC 4.6-SSD Samsung EVO 860- MSI GTX 1080 - 16G RAM - 1920x1080 27´ Hotas Rhino X-55-MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals -Track IR 4
Avimimus Posted July 18, 2008 Posted July 18, 2008 That's not quite true, at high speed the wings do provide up to a quarter of the total lift for the Mi-24. But it's not able to fly on the wings alone. Yes. As well as offloading the rotor in high speed flight (and thus helping the helicopter push higher speeds than its western competitors and increasing its range) it has other effects as well: 1. The anhedral (downward angling) of the wings means that the helicopter requires very little input to the pilot in order for it to enter broad sweeping turns. Once the helicopter is up to speed one just needs to apply a slight bank and the helicopter automatically pulls itself into the turn. 2. The downside of the large stub wings is that they produce a "shadow" by blocking some of the rotor wash. This means that, on top of the loss of lift from the stub wings at low speed, once the Mi-24 slows below 20-30kph it actually loses 10-15% of lift it would have if it had no stub wings. This means that a rolling take-off is advisable if the helicopter is heavily loaded. S!
AlphaOneSix Posted July 18, 2008 Posted July 18, 2008 Interesting how accurately the ECU is able to maintain rotor RPM even when the heli is maneuvering. Thumbs up to Mil :thumbup: No ECU, all hydromechanical. I'm often impressed and surprised at how such a simple and old design (TV3-117) has stood up all these years. Of course, removing and installing them is a huge pain compared to more modern engines, but hey, you can't have everything. ;) The newer VK-2500's look even more impressive (at least on paper, but never worked with one for real).
chaos Posted July 18, 2008 Posted July 18, 2008 (edited) Avimus, Your post doesn't make any sense to me, could you elaborate? helping the helicopter push higher speeds than its western competitors and increasing its range is..well.. hogwash :) Higher speeds (max velocity) is an aerodynamic and structural issue. The maximum speed of a helicopter is primarily limited by the difference in lift across the advancing and retreating blade. At some point the helicopter will want to roll over and there is nothing that can be done about... except to tilt the rotor (V22) or fold it completely (proof of concept of Boeing). Wether it has stubwings or not has nothing to do with it. In fact, the fastest helicopter is a (modified) Lynx if I'm not mistaken. The anhedral (downward angling) of the wings means that the helicopter requires very little input to the pilot in order for it to enter broad sweeping turns. The effect of anhedral has a negative effect on the stability of an aircraft... is that what you're trying to say because that would be correct. However "broad sweeping turns" has nothing to do with that. The radius of turn is not a function of stability. In the case of the Mi-24 I think it was done for other, possibly structural, reasons. once the Mi-24 slows below 20-30kph it actually loses 10-15% of lift it would have if it had no stub wings. At 20-30kph there's no appreciable amount of lift from the stubwings. It does have a negative effect on lift of the rotor-disc ("shadow" that you mentioned). Edited July 18, 2008 by chaos "It's not the years, honey. It's the mileage..."
Tango Posted July 18, 2008 Posted July 18, 2008 In fact, the fastest helicopter is a (modified) Lynx if I'm not mistaken. It is (or was - didn't the F-117 looking helicopter (Commanche?) that the Americans built manage to beat its speed record?). Best regards, Tango.
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