T-toad is a GREAT SEAD platform!

[cobrabase]

What a powerful SEAD platform! I decided to go up against Su-25T mission #3. Simple but I had no idea how much fun it is to finally SHOOT BACK against damned SAMs!

 

Ahh! The joy of being able to take those jerks out! You can pack this plane with serious shit to knock them out. I was able to take out almost all of the Tors but the great thing about today was being able to use the optics to take out the parked aircraft with the laser-guided Kh-25s.

 

Wow! Enough ordnance to take out a battery of SAM protection AND then have enough weapons left to give the secondary targets a serious thrashing!

 

Now that my HOTAS is working A-ok and that I am using my rudders a lot more (was afraid to do so originall for fear of losing control) I see how you gentlemen feel that she can maneuver enough for fights against SAMs.

 

I never thought I'd ever say this but I think landing can be tougher than handling SAMs. If any of you guys ever are nice enough to take me onto your team in multiplayer, put me on SEAD duty or air to air. I appear to be pretty damn good at both.

[Boberro]

On HL are servers for bombers only or multiple AA mixed with AG which these servers are dangerous (AA mixed with AG) :P You can choose what u like ;]

[hitman]

I only do SEAD in the 25T. Anything else is wasting time the A-10 can do better.

[Boberro]

Yep SEAD only on 25T, rest is waste of time, not if u can play 25, A10 close to ground all time, can stand big stress, and maybe u got lucky & u won't be hit :P

[Triggerhappy69]

I only do SEAD in the 25T. Anything else is wasting time the A-10 can do better.

 

Yep SEAD only on 25T, rest is waste of time, not if u can play 25, A10 close to ground all time, can stand big stress, and maybe u got lucky & u won't be hit :P

 

 

...hold me back..! You guys have got to be kidding..? The A-10 is an excellent ground attack plane. And i agree with you that it's supreme when flying "down and dirty", but there stops the comparisment.. You have to think in completely different lines of attack when you approach the Target Area in a Frog.. It's like comparing the Su-25T with a Tornado..! The do the same job, but HOW they do it..? They are not even close in how they solve the ingressing and tactics while over TA..!

 

(and the "T" has better flight dynamics in LO:FC.. It just has..)

[Pilotasso]

Online servers usualy protect long range SAM's with shorter range items that shoot your missiles out of the air. The only way to get them without multiple fruitless attempts is to use the A-10 at tree top level and shoot the damn things at 2 miles. You gotta know their precise location and have fast fingers though.

[hitman]

...hold me back..! You guys have got to be kidding..? The A-10 is an excellent ground attack plane. And i agree with you that it's supreme when flying "down and dirty", but there stops the comparisment.. You have to think in completely different lines of attack when you approach the Target Area in a Frog.. It's like comparing the Su-25T with a Tornado..! The do the same job, but HOW they do it..? They are not even close in how they solve the ingressing and tactics while over TA..!

 

(and the "T" has better flight dynamics in LO:FC.. It just has..)

 

I know the A-10 is the best ground attack plane there...I do alot of SEAD in it. You cant really touch the meduim and long range SAM systems in the A-10 though. Ill fly the T for SEAD before I get into an A-10 do do the dirty work, simply because it carries longer range anti-radar missiles that were made specifically for that task.

[Case]

Online servers usualy protect long range SAM's with shorter range items that shoot your missiles out of the air. The only way to get them without multiple fruitless attempts is to use the A-10 at tree top level and shoot the damn things at 2 miles.

It's more realistic to hook up with some one and take two or more 25T's to take out the S300 or Patriot site. Let me know if you'd like try that :)

 

I know the A-10 is the best ground attack plane there...I do alot of SEAD in it.

And the easiest to fly as it is impossible to stall it. For those who like a challenge, there is the 25T and the vanilla 25.

[tflash]

I agree that the hunchback froggy is a great SEAD plane in lockon. It is also a very good littoral anti-shipping plane with its deadly Raduga Kilter missiles.

 

Anyway, T-toad is the best nickname to date for the Su-25T! We should have a contest for the most original name for this ugly little bird ;)

[Deadman]

So your saying that there is no way to stall the A-10? We all know it does not have the AFM of the 25T.But yes you can stall the A-10A:lol:

 

It's more realistic to hook up with some one and take two or more 25T's to take out the S300 or Patriot site. Let me know if you'd like try that :)

 

And the easiest to fly as it is impossible to stall it. For those who like a challenge, there is the 25T and the vanilla 25.

[jpm1]

What a powerful SEAD platform! I decided to go up against Su-25T mission #3. Simple but I had no idea how much fun it is to finally SHOOT BACK against damned SAMs!

 

Ahh! The joy of being able to take those jerks out! You can pack this plane with serious shit to knock them out. I was able to take out almost all of the Tors but the great thing about today was being able to use the optics to take out the parked aircraft with the laser-guided Kh-25s.

 

Wow! Enough ordnance to take out a battery of SAM protection AND then have enough weapons left to give the secondary targets a serious thrashing!

 

Now that my HOTAS is working A-ok and that I am using my rudders a lot more (was afraid to do so originall for fear of losing control) I see how you gentlemen feel that she can maneuver enough for fights against SAMs.

 

I never thought I'd ever say this but I think landing can be tougher than handling SAMs. If any of you guys ever are nice enough to take me onto your team in multiplayer, put me on SEAD duty or air to air. I appear to be pretty damn good at both.

 

yes i agree frogs always do it better

[Ironhand]

...And the easiest to fly as it is impossible to stall it.

Oh... no. You can definitely stall it. But like the rest of the SFM aircraft, it's very forgiving.

 

For those who like a challenge, there is the 25T and the vanilla 25.

Absolutely. The Su-25A is a treat to fly, especially if you've spent any time in the sim's Su-25T. Assuming the modeling is anywhere near correct, I imagine that the first real world pilots to transition from the Su-25A to the Su-25T went through some hairy times.

 

Rich

[Dunkan Aidaho]

And the easiest to fly as it is impossible to stall it. For those who like a challenge, there is the 25T and the vanilla 25.

You are wrong. Long time ago, when someone on russian part of forum said that, I had record tracks with A-10 both deep and inverted stall. I can try to search if you need them.

[159th_Viper]

yes i agree frogs always do it better

 

+1

 

I'm fortunate enough to be at the stage where, through approx 2 years of dedicated T-Toading, the T-Bird is an absolute joy to fly and is completely natural and I'll even go so far as to say - easy - to fly.

 

I have heaps more trouble delivering ordinance in the Hog than the Toad! Anything the Hog can do, the Toad can do - only better!!! Only stickler is the limited Cannon rounds of the Toad - even then it's still good for 20+ Vehicles. Couple that with Vikhrs, Clusters, 73's, etc etc and you have your very own Reaper.

 

That said, I'll never have it any other way...........T-Toad till the Death of me :D

 

 

And yes - All the above within the inherent confines of the simulation. RL - Do not even go there.............:)

[Boberro]

Yep, hog can do this and this but Frog can do it better :D

[RvETito]

TBH, the 25T is the only plane in LO that I fly with pleasure. Apart of it's tactical capabilities it feels sooooo damn nice.. I always feel great after successful sortie with a T. It doesn't feel that way at all after a good fightersweep- F-15, 27, 29- too much ordinary.

[GGTharos]

Just wait for DCS: Hog ... I think you'll see significant differences in which roles each excels :)

 

Also, I am hoping SEAD will be better modeled rather than the DEAD we're stuck with in FC right now.

 

Anything the Hog can do, the Toad can do - only better!!!

[Boberro]

Just wait for DCS: Hog ...

Just wait for DCS: Frogfoot T(M):P

Edited July 29, 2008 by Boberro

[GGTharos]

Yes. I expect to see frog pilots to start ditching vikhrs left right front and center when that happens ;)

 

Just wait for DCS: Frogfoot T(M):P

[159th_Viper]

Just wait for DCS: Hog ... I think you'll see significant differences in which roles each excels :)

 

Also, I am hoping SEAD will be better modeled rather than the DEAD we're stuck with in FC right now.

 

Aye

 

Truth be Told - I'm a stickler for Perfection (or as close to as) - hence the addiction to the AFM. Knowin' that E.D. will deliver on it when DCS: Hog eventually arrives makes me all Warm and Fuzzy being a Bomber-Boy........:D

 

The Future is Bright Indeed!

 

 

Yes. I expect to see frog pilots to start ditching vikhrs left right front and center when that happens ;)

 

 

Oh Hell No..............I'm a patient man ;)

[GGTharos]

Really patient ... in an environment where I might face enemy fire, especially MANPADS etc, I would much rather use a Kh-25L than a Vikhr. That thing puts some serious limitations on your maneuver!

 

To simulate in FC, make sure you are pointed DIRECTLY at the target when you fire, and after that, turn away from the target VERY slowly if at all. Also, drop the lock if the target gains any significant off-bore speed (wether on its own or your fault) and drop lock if an enemy aircraft you're shooting at isn't coming pretty much directly at or going directly away from you.

 

And no multi-target shots either ;)

[Triggerhappy69]

Yes. I expect to see frog pilots to start ditching vikhrs left right front and center when that happens ;)

 

 

... drooool....:pilotfly:

[RedTiger]

Just wait for DCS: Hog ... .

 

LOL :megalol: I hope they really name it that!!!

 

If you want SEAD, call in the Viper, IMO. :gun_smilie: The ones that are capable of it are SEAD machines...literally!!

[tflash]

I would agree with GG; I've learned to appreciate the T-toad in Lockon, but It would never be my first choice. An aircraft that is to heavy and unmanoevrable is the last thing you want. The vanilla Su-25 is in high regard with limited budget nations since it is crisp to fly, relatively fast and robust. It is a basic warfare thing with rockets, guns and cluster ammo.

 

The T-toad is imho a failed and intermediary modernisation effort. The whole added avionics is way to heavy and flight performance took a hit. While firing the Vikhr you are basically a sitting duck.

[ThunderChief]

I think based on LO its easy to overestimate the Hog's capabilities. First of all its SLOW. When you fly with a serious combat load (like 6 AGM-65 + bombs) it will be even slower and maneuverability will be very limited.

If you execute your attack in a realistic maner (with MANPADs in mind), you will have to do a diving attack to get extra speed and then climb out again to safe altitude again. And that can take endless time. ;)

This attack pattern will also mean you have to aquire your target from long distance and altitude. Not easy at all without sensors. But then again thats true fun :D

Edited July 30, 2008 by ThunderChief