RvE Lockon Realism Mod Release Candidate 4 (Public Beta)

[borchi_2b]

well to the magic barrel role, it is a real manuver, to overg the missle, so there is no magic to it, talk to real pilots, they will tell you that this is one last choice the pilot might make, but it is a good chance there, the he gets killed, i refer to the first post of this threat.

[GGTharos]

You're confusing a magic barrel roll (suicidal in RL) with an orthogonal roll (the actual last ditch maneuver)

 

well to the magic barrel role, it is a real manuver, to overg the missle, so there is no magic to it, talk to real pilots, they will tell you that this is one last choice the pilot might make, but it is a good chance there, the he gets killed, i refer to the first post of this threat.

[RvEYoda]

well to the magic barrel role, it is a real manuver, to overg the missle, so there is no magic to it, talk to real pilots, they will tell you that this is one last choice the pilot might make, but it is a good chance there, the he gets killed, i refer to the first post of this threat.

 

a modern missile will not likely overG from it.

You see it's magic in lockon, the missiles in lockon will miss with as low as 12-16 g(missile's g) pull if the

target barrell rolls. (comparable to real aim-9m max G of 40 g and 25 g

structural limit of Aim-7). The problem is further enhanced by lockon modelling

R-77 as less maneuverable than R-27 and the same for AMRAAM vs aim7.

This is all explained in the documentation if you read it.

 

You can still barrell roll, it's not just so easy, and it probably gets you

killed, instead of the 100% dodge chance which was in before.

 

If you are close and desperate to dodge actives with LRM mod installed, then I recommend

using an orthogonal roll like GG pointed out.

Edited September 24, 2008 by =RvE=Yoda

[A.S]

it is a real manuver, to overg the missle, so there is no magic to it, talk to real pilots

 

 

 

i think you messing wide barrell rolls to get the missile out of the rails and bleeding energy at good range with the last no other chance left as a tight short jink roll in pray. (displacement )...and that only if you are aware of it so close OR if missile has no boom left maybe in its terminal stage...then maybe, but not < 8-15nm (depend alt) headon barell roll dodging like do-able in LO without LRM << there is the difference

 

EDIT: there is one case where it might be used .... high speed 2-5 G barrel roll with missile on rear aspect and if you run away from it :)

 

talking bout barell rolling.....tEx is the man

 

 

:worthy:

Edited September 25, 2008 by A.S

[Ironhand]

Roger Ironhand,...

 

If you can dig up the information about these things it would be great

Thats why it's release candidate/beta and not final...

Sorry for the delay in finding this. Life's been, well, life. This was the book I had in mind:

 

Lake, Jon: Jane's How to Fly and Fight in the MiG-29 Fulcrum, Harper Collins, 1997, page 57.

 

The particular section I was remembering concerns a section quoting an unnamed USAFE F-16C squadron commander whose unit was one of those who fought mock battles with the (former East) German MiG-29s. Pages 55-57 deal with issues of switchology and poor user friendliness of the avionics.

 

But page 57 reads in part:

 

"He'll have lost lock on me as I pass, and if he breaks lock, his radar display and scan automatically jump back out to the 70 nm range settings. He can't change that... I talked to the western-trained MiG-29 pilots, who admitted that, 'yeah, our chances of locking you up as you flew past us in the merge were slim-to-none because of the way the system is set up'.

 

For what it's worth.

 

Rich

[hitman]

i think you messing wide barrell rolls to get the missile out of the rails and bleeding energy at good range with the last no other chance left as a tight short jink roll in pray. (displacement )...and that only if you are aware of it so close OR if missile has no boom left maybe in its terminal stage...then maybe, but not < 8-15nm (depend alt) headon barell roll dodging like do-able in LO without LRM << there is the difference

 

EDIT: there is one case where it might be used .... high speed 2-5 G barrel roll with missile on rear aspect and if you run away from it :)

 

talking bout barell rolling.....tEx is the man

 

 

:worthy:

Thats some killer wing loading...kudos to the men who could actually pull that off without becoming skid marks on the landscape.

[Mugatu]

1G ?

[hitman]

IIRC I think its closer to 150,000psi on each wing.

[cool_t]

TWS...

[Silent Warrior]

I think I like this mod. Will monitor. 8)

[Groove]

Slightly OT: Could you guys give the Su-25 two external fuel tanks please. It's how "they" fly it :) Thanks in advance.

[RvEYoda]

Im not sure I follow

 

I can't really change the planes or such.

What I can do is give lua input, which is essentially the same kind

of input that player gives to his plane. So modifying standard pylons

can't be done in lua from what I can tell

 

What about lope? Doesn't it allow you to fit more tanks?

[RvETito]

I guess Groove means just to edit the payload in LO and swap the gunpods (for example) with two 800l tanks.

[RvEYoda]

oo. Ic :)

[A.S]

Slightly OT: Could you guys give the Su-25 two external fuel tanks please. It's how "they" fly it :) Thanks in advance.

 

you can add fuel how you like....it says so in briefing .... so tanks ...but got the idea

[Mustang]

Slightly OT: Could you guys give the Su-25 two external fuel tanks please. It's how "they" fly it :) Thanks in advance.

 

Heh, at least you are asking if the a2g payload can be modified for fuel tanks! :)

 

some guys enter the server and just ignore the brief or plainly reject the rules and pack what they want, heres a couple of examples taken recently :huh:

 

with time though, this will become a thing of the past on our server.

 

(pics reupped with names removed, sorry if anyone was offended, was not the intention)

Edited September 30, 2008 by Mustang
Deleted pics because of namecalling

[Groove]

Thanks for your help guys, next time i'll add the fuel tanks for my Su-25 than.

[159th_Viper]

Pity the Externals are incapable of doin' damage - Always had the perverse desire to attempt Jettisoning my Tanks on an Oblivious Manpad/Hummer :D

 

 

 

 

Just saw these Pics........

 

 

OMFG - Is a Hog even capable of flying with all that?

Edited September 30, 2008 by 159th_Viper
Explosive Alzheimers.......

[hitman]

Yep...its a hard push for the aircraft, though...its designed to carry 4 Mk-84s, 2 Mk-82's, 4 Mavs, ECM and self protection, not to mention the gun. The long wingspan makes it ideal for that...all that lift generated.

[GGTharos]

I terms of actual weight, yes. IN terms of what he stuck on which pylons, no.

He's also be limited to max 2.5g maneuver under such a configuration (ignoring the fact that he stuck the AGM-65's on pylons they can't go on)

 

Gross TO is 51000lbs. Empty (gun + fuel) will have you at 32000lbs (max g limit).

 

6*2000lbs bombs = 44000lbs

2*1500lbs mavs = 47000lbs

Add 1000lbs for pod plus sidewinders, plus another 1000 for the mav launchers (just to be on the safe side), and you're still under max TO.

At this weight, the max g is limited to about 4.5g.

 

Only stations 3 and 9 may carry mavericks - stations 2 and 10 (the ones he loaded them on) may not (no wiring), they are limited to a 1000lb payload as far as I can tel from the A-10 -1.

 

A TER or LAU-88 limits the A-10 to 5g at any weight.

Edited September 30, 2008 by GGTharos

[59th_LeFty]

Hi

 

Someone from the Falconguys just reminded me a lack of modeling in every PC flightsim. There is no RCS changing depending on loadout. I don't know, which evil way you get these modifications, but possibly its not so far from this parameter. If its possible to modificate RCS, or make it dependent on something, maybe it worth a conversation...:idea:

[GGTharos]

RCS profiles are usually classified, though you can generally guess what they will look like from published data on civilian aircraft.

[RvEYoda]

I'm not sure i want to expand this project that much more.

I can't really do mods that change the core logic of the game.

 

I could at best lower the lock strength under certain conditions,

but varying RCS depending on different factors.....well.....sure i could

unlock guys here and there....but not much more than that.

 

I'll probably not make anything more than what is currently in the

RC5 pdf. Maybe (unlikely) ill add some G-limits for the mig with tank,

but thats a big maybe.

[RvEYoda]

I was informed by a friend that LLTM may be interested in LRM for their lockon competition.

Will see where this goes. Good news :)

 

Now using LRM can be listed

 

RvE

104th

2IAE (sry maybe i spelled your name wrong?)

44th

9th

RAF (partial LRM)

 

with some luck we can also use parts of it eventually in

Locerf

LLTM.

 

Things moving forward. :)

Edited October 11, 2008 by =RvE=Yoda

[Mustang]

It's great to see the gradual acceptance of your work by the community Yoda :thumbup: