CV-59 Forrestal Feedback Thread

[Convoy]

I'd love to use the Forrestal, I just can't without the deck crew. It makes the experience so much better. 

[FriedrichNix]

The Forrestal has a rough time besides the Supercarrier. Everyone who loves Naval/Fleet Operations will probably use the Supercarrier, while this incredible ship rots (digitally).

A Heatblur-Eagle Dynamics cooperation with a Forrestal/Supercarrier Module would be the way to go. Maybe unrealistic, but in my opinion the only way this incredible module would get some use.

Also a cold war era 'supercarrier' would be a great addition. And later a WWII Supercarrier.

Don't know how difficult it is, to use the Supercarrier's deck crew code to get it working. I don't care about manned stations, but takeoff/landing operations is a must.

[Lord_Pyro]

Are there official statements about working deckcrew implementation?

[Tulkas]

Does anybody know where are the textures for the IFLOLS lights in the Forrestal?

I found Forrestal textures in the F14 folder, some of them called "HB_Forrestal_FLOLS_(...)" but they do not appear to contain the lights.

[Bowie]

Posted this elsewhere, but can't find it.

 

USS Forrestal #3 Cat Bug

 

Problem: #3 Cat, on the USS Forrestal is dumping AI A-4E-C A/C, even w/o a payload, into the sea.

Assume: Lack of Airspeed - as 3,000 lb loaded A-4E-C A/C from the other three Cat's struggle and sometimes even drag their gear.

Situation: Steaming at 18 kn., because of the Replenishment ship, into a 15 kn. (@33 ft.) wind, 10° port, down the flight-deck.

Combined Wind Over Deck: a calculated 32 kn.

External View IAS: (On flight deck or Cat)

Player: 36 kn.

AI: 19 kn.

AI appear to respond to Wind at airfields.

 

EDIT:

Did External View Launch Tests off the USS Forrestal.

AI A-4E-C: Full Internal Fuel, 3,000 lb payload + 2xAIM-9M (4074 lb), 86% Max Gross Weight.

Launch Speeds/Results: Consistent over program

CAT.1, .2, .4: 153 kn. IAS - (fly off)

CAT.3: 144 kn. IAS - (swim)

 

Cat#3 Bug.trk 393.52 kB · 8 downloads

 

EDIT#2:

Reduced Wind to 5 kn, increased Speed to 28 kn., for the same Wind Over Deck.

Repeated the Tests.

Same A/C results.

Launch Speeds/Results: Consistent over program

CAT.1, .2, .4: 152 kn. IAS - (fly off)

CAT.3: 141 kn. IAS - (swim)

 

Please advise.

This is a wonderful product, and much appreciated.

 

Bowie

[Ztorm]

On 6/9/2025 at 10:10 AM, FriedrichNix said:

The Forrestal has a rough time besides the Supercarrier. Everyone who loves Naval/Fleet Operations will probably use the Supercarrier, while this incredible ship rots (digitally).

A Heatblur-Eagle Dynamics cooperation with a Forrestal/Supercarrier Module would be the way to go. Maybe unrealistic, but in my opinion the only way this incredible module would get some use.

Also a cold war era 'supercarrier' would be a great addition. And later a WWII Supercarrier.

Don't know how difficult it is, to use the Supercarrier's deck crew code to get it working. I don't care about manned stations, but takeoff/landing operations is a must.

Perfect picks for CW carrier and WW2 carrier for supercarrier addon would be either a Kittyhawk or JFK Class and for ww2 I'd say essex or midway, with honorable mention to the Lexington

[Bowie]

Is this "USS Forrestal #3 Cat Bug" issue (poster above), something that Heatblur will pick up and solve?

And, if so, will there be notification, as the carrier is in mothballs until it is resolved.

Great product otherwise.

Please advise.

@IronMike

 

Bowie

Edited September 1 by Bowie

[RustBelt]

On 9/1/2025 at 7:16 PM, Bowie said:

Is this "USS Forrestal #3 Cat Bug" issue (poster above), something that Heatblur will pick up and solve?

And, if so, will there be notification, as the carrier is in mothballs until it is resolved.

Great product otherwise.

Please advise.

@IronMike

 

Bowie

The A-4E-C AI is part of the A-4 Community mod. It’s on them to fix it not Heatblur. 

[Bowie]

4 hours ago, RustBelt said:

The A-4E-C AI is part of the A-4 Community mod. It’s on them to fix it not Heatblur. 

 

It's the USS Forrestal #3 Cat, as documented in the Post above.

And that is on Heatblur, as it is their USS Forrestal.

 

Bowie

[draconus]

6 hours ago, Bowie said:

It's the USS Forrestal #3 Cat, as documented in the Post above.

And that is on Heatblur, as it is their USS Forrestal.

As always, when finding a bug, uninstall all mods and try again.

[Bowie]

10 hours ago, draconus said:

As always, when finding a bug, uninstall all mods and try again.

Good, general advice.

But believe this is an issue that was preexisting, and simply manifested itself as a result of the non-afterburning A-4E-C's low launch power.

Have you loaded an A-4E-C onto the USS Forrestal and shot it off the #3 Cat into a 32 kt WOD?

@IronMike

 

Bowie

 

Edited Thursday at 04:40 PM by Bowie

[RustBelt]

3 hours ago, Bowie said:

Good, general advice.

But believe this is an issue that was preexisting, and simply manifested itself as a result of the non-afterburning A-4E-C's low launch power.

Have you loaded an A-4E-C onto the USS Forrestal and shot it off the #3 Cat into a 32 kt WOD?

@IronMike

 

Bowie

 

Heatblur only is required to support other ED official Modules, not User mods no matter how cool they are. 
 

The A4 mod team needs to either figure out what’s up, or figure out how to write their AI to not use cat3. Take it up with them.

[Bowie]

On 9/4/2025 at 1:25 PM, RustBelt said:

Heatblur only is required to support other ED official Modules, not User mods no matter how cool they are. 
 

The A4 mod team needs to either figure out what’s up, or figure out how to write their AI to not use cat3. Take it up with them.

As Documented in the post above, the #3 Cat is shooting low.

This will affect Any AC, including the ED modules.

Heatblur's boat, with a low #3 Cat.

How can this be an A-4E-C problem, or not be an easy fix, literally increasing a force value in a file and then recompiling.

And you are?

@IronMike

 

Bowie

[speed-of-heat]

10 hours ago, Bowie said:

As Documented in the post above, the #3 Cat is shooting low.

This will affect Any AC, including the ED modules.

Heatblur's boat, with a low #3 Cat.

How can this be an A-4E-C problem, or not be an easy fix, literally increasing a force value in a file and then recompiling.

And you are?

@IronMike

 

Bowie

nobody in particular, but the only evidence you have shown that  i can see is with the A4E,, show a track with an F/A-18 or a Tomcat and you have yourself a different argument... my 0.02GBP

[Bowie]

9 hours ago, speed-of-heat said:

nobody in particular, but the only evidence you have shown that  i can see is with the A4E,, show a track with an F/A-18 or a Tomcat and you have yourself a different argument... my 0.02GBP

They are augmented thrust, Afterburning A/C.

This enables them to tail-stand and accelerate to flying speed even w/ the #3 Cat's low-speed shoot.

The A-4E-C is not.

 

The #3 Cat shoots slow.

That is documented in the post above.

It needs to be sped up to match the other Three Cats, to accommodate Non-augmented thrust A/C.

It is a Heatblur product, and unusable for general use w/ those A/C in the mean time.

Just up the force value on the #3 Cat, or all the Cats if they are of common use, to a value that produces the current results of the other Three Cats, and recompile.

This is not Rocket-surgery.

@IronMike

 

Bowie

Edited 12 hours ago by Bowie

[draconus]

4 minutes ago, Bowie said:

This is not Rocket-surgery.

Put 4 Tomcats or Hornets on cats. Show their launch speeds. Save a track and upload. You can do it. It's not a rocket science.

Unless they end up in the drink this probably won't be high priority, mind you.

[speed-of-heat]

14 minutes ago, Bowie said:

They are augmented thrust, Afterburning A/C.

This enables them to tail-stand and accelerate to flying speed even w/ the #3 Cat's low-speed shoot.

The A-4E-C is not.

 

The #3 Cat shoots slow.

That is documented in the post above.

It needs to be sped up to match the other Three Cats, to accommodate Non-augmented thrust A/C.

It is a Heatblur product, and unusable for general use w/ those A/C in the mean time.

Just up the force value on the #3 Cat, or all the Cats if they are of common use, to a value that produces the current results of the other Three Cats, and recompile.

This is not Rocket-surgery.

@IronMike

 

Bowie

you don't need to launch the hornet in AB if the weight is low enough ... from memory  44000lbs or less 

[Bowie]

7 minutes ago, draconus said:

Put 4 Tomcats or Hornets on cats. Show their launch speeds. Save a track and upload. You can do it. It's not a rocket science.

Unless they end up in the drink this probably won't be high priority, mind you.

"They are augmented thrust, Afterburning A/C.

This enables them to tail-stand and accelerate to flying speed even w/ the #3 Cat's low-speed shoot.

The A-4E-C is not."

And you are?

@IronMike

 

Bowie

[Bowie]

10 minutes ago, speed-of-heat said:

you don't need to launch the hornet in AB if the weight is low enough ... from memory  44000lbs or less 

Load a flight of non-augmented trust A/C on Heatblur's USS Forrestal, and see what happens to the #3 Cat shot.

Why is this constantly a search for a problem that doesn't require a solution?

 

The slow #3 Cat is documented in the post above.

It needs to be corrected to operate non-augmented trust A/C.

The USS Forrestal was an A-4 era carrier.

Currently unusable for that mission.

 

Bowie

Edited 12 hours ago by Bowie

[MAXsenna]

Load a flight of non-augmented trust A/C on Heatblur's USS Forrestal, and see what happens to the #3 Cat shot.
Why is this constantly a search for a problem that doesn't require a solution?
 
The slow #3 Cat is documented in the post above.
It needs to be corrected to operate non-augmented trust A/C.
The USS Forrestal was an A-4 era carrier.
Currently unusable for that mission.
 
Bowie

Your problem mostly is that the A-4E-C, is a community module and it's not supported. So even if your correct, there won't be a change until a similar module comes to DCS. Have you tried with the T-45?

Sent from my SM-A536B using Tapatalk

[Bowie]

42 minutes ago, MAXsenna said:

Your problem mostly is that the A-4E-C, is a community module and it's not supported. So even if your correct, there won't be a change until a similar module comes to DCS. Have you tried with the T-45?

Sent from my SM-A536B using Tapatalk
 

Have several maps loaded w/ livery appropriate A-4E's on the USS Forrestal (CVA 59), CarDiv 2, TF 77, 1967.

Unusable with the current issue as 1/4 of every flight goes swimmin' off the #3 Cat.

 

On 10/20/2021 at 9:49 AM, IronMike said:

Dear all,

because of the sheer size and scope of this update, we want to offer a specific USS Forrestal Feedback thread: please report your finding and bugs or any related issues concerning the CV-59 Forrestal in this thread. Thank you!

 

 

 

This is not Rocket-surgery.

 

Bowie

Edited 11 hours ago by Bowie

[draconus]

22 hours ago, Bowie said:

This will affect Any AC, including the ED modules.

Not true - I tested F-14A, B and Hornet. No issue.

3 hours ago, Bowie said:

They are augmented thrust, Afterburning A/C.

So I tested also loaded S-3B. Still no issue. Sorry, no bug here.

[Bowie]

1 hour ago, draconus said:

Not true - I tested F-14A, B and Hornet. No issue.

"They are augmented thrust, Afterburning A/C.

This enables them to tail-stand and accelerate to flying speed even w/ the #3 Cat's low-speed shoot.

The A-4E-C is not."

Did you bother to shoot an A-4E-C off the #3 Cat...?

That is the Documented Issue and Bug.

And you are?

@IronMike

 

Bowie

[MAXsenna]

4 hours ago, Bowie said:

Have several maps loaded w/ livery appropriate A-4E's on the USS Forrestal (CVA 59), CarDiv 2, TF 77, 1967.

Unusable with the current issue as 1/4 of every flight goes swimmin' off the #3 Cat.

I don't understand your answer. Did you even bother to read what I wrote? ED nor HB support unofficial mods. 

[Bowie]

2 hours ago, draconus said:

So I tested also loaded S-3B. Still no issue. Sorry, no bug here.

In your esoteric attempt to derail this well-documented Heatblur USS Forrestal Bug.

Did you bother to check the Launch Speeds of those S-3B?

For your, and Heatblur's information, on this now even more well-documented Bug:

Heatblur's USS Forrestal

- 18 kts Way/15 kts Wind at 350°R/32 kts WOD.

- DCS S-3B/fully fueled

Data Point: Weight coming off the main wheels

Cat #1: 126 kts

Cat #3: 116 kts

Cat #2: 126 kts

Cat #4: 126 kts

 

Again, #3 Cat shoots slow.

This is a Heatblur USS Forrestal bug, that manifests itself w/ non-augmented thrust A/C, namely the A-4E-C.

And you are?

@IronMike

 

Bowie

23 minutes ago, MAXsenna said:

I don't understand your answer. Did you even bother to read what I wrote? ED nor HB support unofficial mods. 

Not asking them to fix anything but their Own Product, namely the USS Forrestal's slow #3 Cat.

The Point of this entire Thread.

On 10/20/2021 at 9:49 AM, IronMike said:

Dear all,

because of the sheer size and scope of this update, we want to offer a specific USS Forrestal Feedback thread: please report your finding and bugs or any related issues concerning the CV-59 Forrestal in this thread. Thank you!

 

 

And you are?

 

Bowie