F/A-18 went down in Miramar

[v1per]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,463725,00.html

 

Pilot ejected.

[SuperKungFu]

yea i just saw that on the news too.

[Peyoteros]

Planes falling out of the sky, Mig 29 crashed in Russia few days ago, pilot died, no civilian casualties.

Edited December 9, 2008 by Peyoteros

[diveplane]

wow

[RedTiger]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,463725,00.html

 

Pilot ejected.

 

Too bad the people in that house it crashed into didn't get to eject. :(

[Francous]

This is bad, if the pilot is faulty i hope something will be done against.

[GGTharos]

Why would you hope something is done against the pilot? He was attempting a single-engine landing and whatever happened, he lost control.

[nscode]

I also hope something is done (legally) against the pilot or who ever decided that the plane is worth more than the lives of people on the ground.

 

I don't expect pilots to choose to die and protect others, like so many did, but if there is any chance that the plane might endanger lives, I expect it to be ditched if possible.

[Shaman]

Hornet is terrible very weak plane when it comes to single engine landings. It crashed just because of single engine failure @ EPKS. Final approach was just over very populated area. Many lives were at risk. This a/c should have never entered military service with such critically weak flight performance on a single engine.

Edited December 9, 2008 by Shaman

[morsmortis]

I hear he lost 1 engine somewhere out at sea and when he attempted to bring it in he lost the 2nd somewhere on final over a residential. Sounds like a fuel control problem coupled with Hornets shady FCS.

 

http://www.safetycenter.navy.mil/media/approach/vault/articles/2004/0681.htm

 

 

The plane crashed here. http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=32.860621,+-117.198326&jsv=139e&sll=32.860474,-117.197664&sspn=0.00164,0.003487&ie=UTF8&geocode=Fc1p9QEdCrID-Q

The pilot landed somewhere near the football field. Ironically, this has happened before with a Marine aviator, accept he decided to ride his plane to the ground crashing the in the same football field. If you look on the map, he's about 1 mile out from the base. This is truly one of those moments every aviator fears. I feel for the families as much as I do the pilot. This day will haunt him for the rest of his life.

[v1per]

I don't expect pilots to choose to die and protect others' date=' like so many did, but if there is any chance that the plane might endanger lives, I expect it to be ditched if possible.[/quote']

 

Theres not much you can do at 250mph, low, 2 dead engines and 2 miles from the runway.:music_whistling:

[Pilotasso]

Why would you hope something is done against the pilot? He was attempting a single-engine landing and whatever happened, he lost control.

 

Hornet is terrible very weak plane when it comes to single engine landings. It crashed just because of single engine failure @ EPKS. Final approach was just over very populated area. Many lives were at risk. This a/c should have never entered military service with such critically weak flight performance on a single engine.

 

 

Kinda makes the point about 2 VS 1 engine in one thread we had earlier.

 

Also reminds me of people going into the vicinity of bases because of terrain being cheaper.

 

Sad indeed. COuld have been avoided.

[nscode]

Theres not much you can do at 250mph, low, 2 dead engines and 2 miles from the runway.:music_whistling:

 

As you could read, he lost the first engine over the sea.

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

If pilot followed procedures, then legally, he has nothing to worry about.

 

Yeas, his life will never be the same knowing some people died as a result of this accident. I am sure he did all he could do to avoid casualties.

[Beaker_VBA]

I also hope something is done (legally) against the pilot or who ever decided that the plane is worth more than the lives of people on the ground.

 

I don't expect pilots to choose to die and protect others, like so many did, but if there is any chance that the plane might endanger lives, I expect it to be ditched if possible.

 

 

That's what happened, bud. Think it through. :noexpression:

 

Let's keep the callous comments to a minimum. Both the life of the pilot and those on the ground are valuable and the entire incident is a tragedy. Fact is, awful things just HAPPEN and it can't always be prevented. On average, 114 people die per day in the United States for car crashes alone.

 

To me, being that pilot left alive would be as bad as being dead. He/she deserves sympathy, not critique.

 

God bless them all, and their families.

[RedTiger]

If pilot followed procedures, then legally, he has nothing to worry about.

 

Yeas, his life will never be the same knowing some people died as a result of this accident. I am sure he did all he could do to avoid casualties.

 

This is exactly right. If he did everything he could, he is not to blame. There are probably hundreds of details we are not aware of. Something like this weighing on my conscience would probably be punishment enough.

[Fudd]

I am disturbed by this crash also. I live approx 2-3 miles from where it happened.

 

I'm saving my crticism until the report is final, but what we do know is that a Grandmother, Mother and infant lost their lives. A child is missing and persumed dead--its a god damn tragedy!

 

The pilot was aiming for a gully/canyon approx 100 yards from where the plane impacted. I cant help but think because he took off from the Lincoln, off the coast of Cali, that ditching it was a better option. Like I said though, I'm waiting for the final details...

Edited December 9, 2008 by Fudd

[Fudd]

Also reminds me of people going into the vicinity of bases because of terrain being cheaper.

 

Not in this case. The outbound path is over University City and La Jolla with patterns over Clairemont. The average price of housing in La Jolla is over 1 million dollars, University City over $600,000 and Clairemont in the high 500,000's.

 

Regardless of someones SES, 1 Engine EP's should not be allowed over residential areas.

[MoGas]

Very bad, but I guess it was really accident with couple factors on it, that it happens like this. When I look on the photo where you can see that the wind is also bloweing not quit low, for a emergency landing with just one engine and maybe some other probs...!

[Vekkinho]

You shouldn't do anything "against" the pilot! This is not what he intended to do!

 

But Miramar is a highly populated area so it's no place for airbase of this size! You rather move entire army out of there!

[Vekkinho]

Planes falling out of the sky, Mig 29 crashed in Russia few days ago, pilot died, no civilian casualties.

 

Any links on Fulcrum mishap?!!

[IvanK]

Hornet is terrible very weak plane when it comes to single engine landings. It crashed just because of single engine failure @ EPKS. Final approach was just over very populated area. Many lives were at risk. This a/c should have never entered military service with such critically weak flight performance on a single engine.

 

What a load of crap ! The Hornet has exemplary performance on one engine, and one of the easiest aeroplanes to fly in the assymetric condition !

 

Sure if you get super super slow you can run out of directional control .... just like every multi engined aircraft on the planet

[GGTharos]

^^^

Exactly.

There's some amazing stories about a certain F-18 sucking in debris on the cat-shot, losing one engine and half the thrust from the other, and still recovering. Whoever came up with this single-engine poor performance bull is full of it.

[Beaker_VBA]

If I were there, I'd hate to see the base go! I love the sound of jets in the morning. :smilewink:

[Prophet]

You shouldn't do anything "against" the pilot! This is not what he intended to do!

 

But Miramar is a highly populated area so it's no place for airbase of this size! You rather move entire army out of there!

 

The base was there first.