imacken Posted April 2, 2022 Share Posted April 2, 2022 (edited) In VR, if I look up with the HDU on so that the rotor blades movement are seen, then all the numbers and lines on the HDU display become distorted and sort of swirly. This is very similar to the issue we had some time ago with the propeller in the Spitfire. This only happens when Vive Motion Compensation (Vive's equivalent to Motion Smoothing in SteamVR) is switched on. It's OK with it off. Edited April 3, 2022 by imacken 1 Intel i7 12700K · MSI Gaming X Trio RTX 4090 · ASUS ROG STRIX Z690-A Wi-Fi · MSI 32" MPG321UR QD · Samsung 970 500Gb M.2 NVMe · 2 x Samsung 850 Evo 1Tb · 2Tb HDD · 32Gb Corsair Vengance 3000MHz DDR4 · Windows 11 · Thrustmaster TPR Pedals · Tobii Eye Tracker 5 · Thrustmaster F/A-18 Hornet Grip · Virpil MongoosT-50CM3 Base · Virpil Throttle MT-50 CM3 · Virpil Alpha Prime Grip · Virpil Control Panel 2 · Thrustmaster F-16 MFDs · HTC Vive Pro 2 · Total Controls Multifunction Button Box Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imacken Posted April 5, 2022 Author Share Posted April 5, 2022 @BIGNEWYhas this one been missed? Thanks. Intel i7 12700K · MSI Gaming X Trio RTX 4090 · ASUS ROG STRIX Z690-A Wi-Fi · MSI 32" MPG321UR QD · Samsung 970 500Gb M.2 NVMe · 2 x Samsung 850 Evo 1Tb · 2Tb HDD · 32Gb Corsair Vengance 3000MHz DDR4 · Windows 11 · Thrustmaster TPR Pedals · Tobii Eye Tracker 5 · Thrustmaster F/A-18 Hornet Grip · Virpil MongoosT-50CM3 Base · Virpil Throttle MT-50 CM3 · Virpil Alpha Prime Grip · Virpil Control Panel 2 · Thrustmaster F-16 MFDs · HTC Vive Pro 2 · Total Controls Multifunction Button Box Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostycab Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 As you say, it appears to be linked to SteamVR’s motion smoothing or equivalent functions in other software. The same thing has always caused problems for me in the warbirds where the propeller would cause tearing on the projected gunsight which would vary depending on power settings. I just leave it off now. It’s actually made things much smoother all round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imacken Posted April 5, 2022 Author Share Posted April 5, 2022 Yep, as I said above, it's the same as what happened with propellers in some Warbirds, particularly Spitfire, but the thing is, that issue was resolved by ED, so I see no reason why this shouldn't. Turn it off? No thanks, as the ghosting looking to the sides of fast moving jets with it off is too much to bear! 1 Intel i7 12700K · MSI Gaming X Trio RTX 4090 · ASUS ROG STRIX Z690-A Wi-Fi · MSI 32" MPG321UR QD · Samsung 970 500Gb M.2 NVMe · 2 x Samsung 850 Evo 1Tb · 2Tb HDD · 32Gb Corsair Vengance 3000MHz DDR4 · Windows 11 · Thrustmaster TPR Pedals · Tobii Eye Tracker 5 · Thrustmaster F/A-18 Hornet Grip · Virpil MongoosT-50CM3 Base · Virpil Throttle MT-50 CM3 · Virpil Alpha Prime Grip · Virpil Control Panel 2 · Thrustmaster F-16 MFDs · HTC Vive Pro 2 · Total Controls Multifunction Button Box Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marklar Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 These artefacts also happen in openxr with MR turned on but since openxr is not officially supported in DCS I won't hold my breath :). i9 9700K @5.0GHz; 2080 Ti, 32GB RAM. Reverb G2; TM Warthog on VPC WarBRD Base, MFG Crosswind V3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuskyV Posted April 6, 2022 Share Posted April 6, 2022 It’s the same for me in the rift s with ASW set to auto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted April 6, 2022 ED Team Share Posted April 6, 2022 Im not seeing it in my reverb G2 seems normal for me, will ask others to check Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imacken Posted April 6, 2022 Author Share Posted April 6, 2022 BN, do you have Motion Smoothing (or whatever the G2 equivalent is) switched on? Intel i7 12700K · MSI Gaming X Trio RTX 4090 · ASUS ROG STRIX Z690-A Wi-Fi · MSI 32" MPG321UR QD · Samsung 970 500Gb M.2 NVMe · 2 x Samsung 850 Evo 1Tb · 2Tb HDD · 32Gb Corsair Vengance 3000MHz DDR4 · Windows 11 · Thrustmaster TPR Pedals · Tobii Eye Tracker 5 · Thrustmaster F/A-18 Hornet Grip · Virpil MongoosT-50CM3 Base · Virpil Throttle MT-50 CM3 · Virpil Alpha Prime Grip · Virpil Control Panel 2 · Thrustmaster F-16 MFDs · HTC Vive Pro 2 · Total Controls Multifunction Button Box Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaylw314 Posted April 6, 2022 Share Posted April 6, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, imacken said: BN, do you have Motion Smoothing (or whatever the G2 equivalent is) switched on? Do you have a Reverb G2 or WMR headset? If you're running through SteamVR, you can test if that's the problem by going to the WMR for SteamVR settings in the SVR dashboard and selecting "Disable" for Default Motion Reprojection. I've not found the SteamVR per-app settings to be reliable for DCS you can also do the settings from your desktop (from Thud's VR4DCS blog): (X):\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\MixedRealityVRDriver\bin\win64\OpenVRSettingsUX.exe Edited April 6, 2022 by jaylw314 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imacken Posted April 6, 2022 Author Share Posted April 6, 2022 4 minutes ago, jaylw314 said: Do you have a Reverb G2 or WMR headset? If you're running through SteamVR, you can test if that's the problem by going to the WMR for SteamVR settings in the SVR dashboard and selecting "Disable" for Default Motion Reprojection. I've not found the SteamVR per-app settings to be reliable for DCS you can also do the settings from your desktop (from Thud's VR4DCS blog): (X):\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\MixedRealityVRDriver\bin\win64\OpenVRSettingsUX.exe Thanks but please read my original post. Intel i7 12700K · MSI Gaming X Trio RTX 4090 · ASUS ROG STRIX Z690-A Wi-Fi · MSI 32" MPG321UR QD · Samsung 970 500Gb M.2 NVMe · 2 x Samsung 850 Evo 1Tb · 2Tb HDD · 32Gb Corsair Vengance 3000MHz DDR4 · Windows 11 · Thrustmaster TPR Pedals · Tobii Eye Tracker 5 · Thrustmaster F/A-18 Hornet Grip · Virpil MongoosT-50CM3 Base · Virpil Throttle MT-50 CM3 · Virpil Alpha Prime Grip · Virpil Control Panel 2 · Thrustmaster F-16 MFDs · HTC Vive Pro 2 · Total Controls Multifunction Button Box Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaylw314 Posted April 6, 2022 Share Posted April 6, 2022 4 hours ago, imacken said: Thanks but please read my original post. Yup, missed that, sorry! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5ephir0th Posted April 6, 2022 Share Posted April 6, 2022 This is not a problem from DCS but from the interpolation methods of VR devices, it happen on Oculus HMD with ASW enabled too NZXT H9 Flow Black | Intel Core i5 13600KF OCed P5.6 E4.4 | Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Elite AX | G.Skill Trident Z5 Neo DDR5-6000 32GB C30 OCed 6600 C32 | nVidia GeForce RTX 4090 Founders Edition | Western Digital SN770 2TB | Gigabyte GP-UD1000GM PG5 ATX 3.0 1000W | SteelSeries Apex 7 | Razer Viper Mini | SteelSeries Artics Nova 7 | LG OLED42C2 | Xiaomi P1 55" Virpil T-50 CM2 Base + Thrustmaster Warthog Stick | WinWing Orion 2 F16EX Viper Throttle | WinWing ICP | 3 x Thrustmaster MFD | Saitek Combat Rudder Pedals | Oculus Quest 2 DCS World | Persian Gulf | Syria | Flaming Cliff 3 | P-51D Mustang | Spitfire LF Mk. IX | Fw-109 A-8 | A-10C II Tank Killer | F/A-18C Hornet | F-14B Tomcat | F-16C Viper | F-15E Strike Eagle | M2000C | Ka-50 BlackShark III | Mi-24P Hind | AH-64D Apache | SuperCarrier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imacken Posted April 6, 2022 Author Share Posted April 6, 2022 I’m not so sure. As I said above, the same issue with Warbirds was resolved by ED. 1 Intel i7 12700K · MSI Gaming X Trio RTX 4090 · ASUS ROG STRIX Z690-A Wi-Fi · MSI 32" MPG321UR QD · Samsung 970 500Gb M.2 NVMe · 2 x Samsung 850 Evo 1Tb · 2Tb HDD · 32Gb Corsair Vengance 3000MHz DDR4 · Windows 11 · Thrustmaster TPR Pedals · Tobii Eye Tracker 5 · Thrustmaster F/A-18 Hornet Grip · Virpil MongoosT-50CM3 Base · Virpil Throttle MT-50 CM3 · Virpil Alpha Prime Grip · Virpil Control Panel 2 · Thrustmaster F-16 MFDs · HTC Vive Pro 2 · Total Controls Multifunction Button Box Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostycab Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 1 hour ago, imacken said: I’m not so sure. As I said above, the same issue with Warbirds was resolved by ED. Not for me last time I flew in one, but I will try again in the next few days to see if any recent updates have changed anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoYo Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 Its a case of motion reprojection, turn in off and will b fine ;). Webmaster of http://www.yoyosims.pl Win 10 64, i9-13900 KF, RTX 4090 24Gb OC, RAM 64Gb Corsair Vengeance LED OC@3600MHz,, 3xSSD+3xSSD M.2 NVMe, Predator XB271HU res.2560x1440 27'' G-sync, Sound Blaster Z + 5.1, TiR5, [MSFS, P3Dv5, DCS, RoF, Condor2, IL-2 CoD/BoX] VR fly only: Meta Quest Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speed-of-heat Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 On 4/2/2022 at 11:28 AM, imacken said: In VR, if I look up with the HDU on so that the rotor blades movement are seen, then all the numbers and lines on the HDU display become distorted and sort of swirly. This is very similar to the issue we had some time ago with the propeller in the Spitfire. This only happens when Vive Motion Compensation (Vive's equivalent to Motion Smoothing in SteamVR) is switched on. It's OK with it off. I get the same issue using the OpenXR mod and WMR, it does seem linked to Motion Reprojection (or at I guess an equivalent technology) in VR as without it I don't get the distortions. How practical flying without MR is an exercise for the individual, I find that flying without it introduces another series of artefacts when looking out the side in particular whilst in flight (stuttering or juddering even the the framerate is well above 60) .. SYSTEM SPECS: Hardware Intel Corei7-12700KF @ 5.1/5.3p & 3.8e GHz, 64Gb RAM, 4090 FE, Dell S2716DG, Virpil T50CM3 Throttle, WinWIng Orion 2 & F-16EX + MFG Crosswinds V2, Varjo Aero SOFTWARE: Microsoft Windows 11, VoiceAttack & VAICOM PRO YOUTUBE CHANNEL: @speed-of-heat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imacken Posted April 7, 2022 Author Share Posted April 7, 2022 1 hour ago, speed-of-heat said: I get the same issue using the OpenXR mod and WMR, it does seem linked to Motion Reprojection (or at I guess an equivalent technology) in VR as without it I don't get the distortions. How practical flying without MR is an exercise for the individual, I find that flying without it introduces another series of artefacts when looking out the side in particular whilst in flight (stuttering or juddering even the the framerate is well above 60) .. Yep, flying without it is horrible with all the stuttering and ghosting when looking to the side. Glad to see it’s happening on G2 and other headsets and not just my VP2. So, hopefully, BN can report this. 3 hours ago, YoYo said: Its a case of motion reprojection, turn in off and will b fine ;). I said that in my original post! Intel i7 12700K · MSI Gaming X Trio RTX 4090 · ASUS ROG STRIX Z690-A Wi-Fi · MSI 32" MPG321UR QD · Samsung 970 500Gb M.2 NVMe · 2 x Samsung 850 Evo 1Tb · 2Tb HDD · 32Gb Corsair Vengance 3000MHz DDR4 · Windows 11 · Thrustmaster TPR Pedals · Tobii Eye Tracker 5 · Thrustmaster F/A-18 Hornet Grip · Virpil MongoosT-50CM3 Base · Virpil Throttle MT-50 CM3 · Virpil Alpha Prime Grip · Virpil Control Panel 2 · Thrustmaster F-16 MFDs · HTC Vive Pro 2 · Total Controls Multifunction Button Box Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speed-of-heat Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 18 minutes ago, imacken said: Yep, flying without it is horrible with all the stuttering and ghosting when looking to the side. Glad to see it’s happening on G2 and other headsets and not just my VP2. So, hopefully, BN can report this. you need to get BN to turn on MR/MS, he typically runs with it disabled, which having tried i know i can't SYSTEM SPECS: Hardware Intel Corei7-12700KF @ 5.1/5.3p & 3.8e GHz, 64Gb RAM, 4090 FE, Dell S2716DG, Virpil T50CM3 Throttle, WinWIng Orion 2 & F-16EX + MFG Crosswinds V2, Varjo Aero SOFTWARE: Microsoft Windows 11, VoiceAttack & VAICOM PRO YOUTUBE CHANNEL: @speed-of-heat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imacken Posted April 7, 2022 Author Share Posted April 7, 2022 Just now, speed-of-heat said: you need to get BN to turn on MR/MS, he typically runs with it disabled, which having tried i know i can't Yep, that’s why I asked him the question further up. He hasn’t replied though. Intel i7 12700K · MSI Gaming X Trio RTX 4090 · ASUS ROG STRIX Z690-A Wi-Fi · MSI 32" MPG321UR QD · Samsung 970 500Gb M.2 NVMe · 2 x Samsung 850 Evo 1Tb · 2Tb HDD · 32Gb Corsair Vengance 3000MHz DDR4 · Windows 11 · Thrustmaster TPR Pedals · Tobii Eye Tracker 5 · Thrustmaster F/A-18 Hornet Grip · Virpil MongoosT-50CM3 Base · Virpil Throttle MT-50 CM3 · Virpil Alpha Prime Grip · Virpil Control Panel 2 · Thrustmaster F-16 MFDs · HTC Vive Pro 2 · Total Controls Multifunction Button Box Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted April 7, 2022 ED Team Share Posted April 7, 2022 thanks for reminding me why I dont like motion smoothing. Reproduced and reported. thanks 2 Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imacken Posted April 7, 2022 Author Share Posted April 7, 2022 Thanks BN. Fly through the streets of Dubai looking to the side with and without ms/mc and you’ll see why I can’t live without it! 1 Intel i7 12700K · MSI Gaming X Trio RTX 4090 · ASUS ROG STRIX Z690-A Wi-Fi · MSI 32" MPG321UR QD · Samsung 970 500Gb M.2 NVMe · 2 x Samsung 850 Evo 1Tb · 2Tb HDD · 32Gb Corsair Vengance 3000MHz DDR4 · Windows 11 · Thrustmaster TPR Pedals · Tobii Eye Tracker 5 · Thrustmaster F/A-18 Hornet Grip · Virpil MongoosT-50CM3 Base · Virpil Throttle MT-50 CM3 · Virpil Alpha Prime Grip · Virpil Control Panel 2 · Thrustmaster F-16 MFDs · HTC Vive Pro 2 · Total Controls Multifunction Button Box Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jparker36 Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 @BIGNEWY, any update on if there's a fix in the works for this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted October 17, 2022 ED Team Share Posted October 17, 2022 1 hour ago, jparker36 said: @BIGNEWY, any update on if there's a fix in the works for this? No news to share, the report is still open. Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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