Can I dectect EWR radar with HTS?

[RagnarBSE]

Hi Pilots! 

Can i detect EWR Radar withc HTS pod? 

I have placed 2 EWR radar in a test mission with mission editor, and 1 F16 with HTS pod. I see two S symbols on my RWR but nothing on HTS, is it normal?

 

Thx

Edited September 3, 2022 by RagnarBSE

[okopanja]

Whem HARM was designed the main requirement was to target the dm and cm bands, which are typically used by acquisition and targeting radars. Russia EWR are typically in meter bands and therefore they do not show up.

The drawback of meter bands is large size of antenna, and much weaker mobility.

Therefore, instead of HARM you should use cruised missiles or winged bombs.

However there also mobile radars in meter bands.

 

 

[RagnarBSE]

53 minutes ago, okopanja said:

Whem HARM was designed the main requirement was to target the dm and cm bands, which are typically used by acquisition and targeting radars. Russia EWR are typically in meter bands and therefore they do not show up.

The drawback of meter bands is large size of antenna, and much weaker mobility.

Therefore, instead of HARM you should use cruised missiles or winged bombs.

However there also mobile radars in meter bands.

 

 

ok but my problem is that i cannot detect ewr with precision only with RWR, also if I used cruise missile.. so there is another method to detect with precision EWR antenna in F 16 if don t see in f10 map but lnly on rwr? 

 

 

[okopanja]

11 minutes ago, RagnarBSE said:

ok but my problem is that i cannot detect ewr with precision only with RWR, also if I used cruise missile.. so there is another method to detect with precision EWR antenna in F 16 if don t see in f10 map but lnly on rwr? 

The antenna is usually large construction therefore you might be able to spot it with ground radar or with TGP.

 

[Moonshine]

As per the last patch, EWR can no longer be found / targeted with a harm. And also not with the HTS. Sad it was not listed in the patchnotes..

[RagnarBSE]

1 hour ago, Moonshine said:

As per the last patch, EWR can no longer be found / targeted with a harm. And also not with the HTS. Sad it was not listed in the patchnotes..

so we have no chance to spot ewr if i don t know the extact position , i can try only with tgp, right?

[_SteelFalcon_]

Yup. All you got is the RWR and the Mk1 eyeballs

[Furiz]

What are these S symbols in the top left then? Those are EWR

 

 

Edited September 4, 2022 by Furiz

[Ignition]

In the patch before this one, we couldn't find the EWR, the F18 also couldn't shoot to it.

I didn't test with this version.

 

[RagnarBSE]

3 hours ago, Ignition said:

In the patch before this one, we couldn't find the EWR, the F18 also couldn't shoot to it.

I didn't test with this version.

 

i confirm with last patch cannot see ewr with HTS or Harm Has mode with table code (101 or 102) … so no chamce to detect it.

 

 

Edited September 4, 2022 by RagnarBSE

[Moonshine]

6 hours ago, Furiz said:

What are these S symbols in the top left then? Those are EWR

 

 

 

How sure are you? I tested it by placing every EWR in the ME, making sure they are active and none would show up at all. 
 

to my knowledge, a SA2 or SA3 search radar also shows up as „S“ until it is starting to track you. 
you might be seing those there.

[RagnarBSE]

1 hour ago, Moonshine said:

How sure are you? I tested it by placing every EWR in the ME, making sure they are active and none would show up at all. 
 

to my knowledge, a SA2 or SA3 search radar also shows up as „S“ until it is starting to track you. 
you might be seing those there.

I placed only two EWR, i see it on RWR as S but not in HTS ... hts is blind, I have tried to use HARM table as with 101 and 102 code but nothing,.

[Moonshine]

Yes exactly. Apparently thats how it should be based on the EWR modelled in the sim. Just sad there was no info about that change

[Furiz]

I've tested again and I could find SAM - P19 on HAD page, and HARM could target it, but EWR - 1L13 and EWR 55G6 were not there even tho I saw the RWR warning.

They all show as S on the HAD and RWR.

In any case you guys were right, EWR can not be found. Is it like that in real world?

[okopanja]

11 minutes ago, Furiz said:

I've tested again and I could find SAM - P19 on HAD page, and HARM could target it, but EWR - 1L13 and EWR 55G6 were not there even tho I saw the RWR warning.

P19 is within the band HARM can target.

https://www.radartutorial.eu/19.kartei/11.ancient/karte050.en.html

[Furiz]

Another way of finding EWR is to use ground radar,

since radars are basically large clumps of metal, they off course reflect radar beams, so it should reflect your radar scans and show as a bright spot on the radar page, so if you know the general direction you can look for it using Ground Radar.

When you find it, create a mark point and switch to it, then use TGP to verify.

[RagnarBSE]

13 hours ago, Furiz said:

Another way of finding EWR is to use ground radar,

since radars are basically large clumps of metal, they off course reflect radar beams, so it should reflect your radar scans and show as a bright spot on the radar page, so if you know the general direction you can look for it using Ground Radar.

When you find it, create a mark point and switch to it, then use TGP to verify.

Thx Furiz i try with AG Radar ...

[QuiGon]

15 hours ago, Furiz said:

since radars are basically large clumps of metal, they off course reflect radar beams, so it should reflect your radar scans and show as a bright spot on the radar page, so if you know the general direction you can look for it using Ground Radar.

Uhm, while this is indeed true IRL, I'm pretty sure this isn't simulated in DCS.

[Furiz]

@QuiGon Somehting like this:

 

 

 

I knew it position since I made the mission but you can see it on ground radar, just need to check all those dots and locate it.

Edited September 5, 2022 by Furiz

[okopanja]

5 minutes ago, Furiz said:

@QuiGon Somehting like this:

 

 

 

I knew it position since I made the mission but you can see it on ground radar, just need to check all those dots and locate it.

 

LOL, IRL these radars are targeted by cruise missiles, but great effort.

Their deployment/packing times are long enough.

[QuiGon]

29 minutes ago, Furiz said:

@QuiGon Somehting like this:

I knew it position since I made the mission but you can see it on ground radar, just need to check all those dots and locate it.

Yes, but it shows up on the ground radar just like any other type of unit. The game does not simulate how the large antennas of EWRs and other ground radars can reflect the radar rays and thus great a much bigger return relative to their unit size.

Edited September 5, 2022 by QuiGon

[Furiz]

9 minutes ago, QuiGon said:

Yes, but it shows up on the ground radar just like any other type of unit. The game does not simulate how the large antennas of EWRs and other ground radars can reflect the radar rays and thus great a much bigger return compared to their unit size.

Yea that's true,

its hard to find it if its near buildings for example.

[Phantom711]

I think the point is, that it is not a realistic or (logically sound) mission, that an F-16 is going to fly in order to search for early warning radars (and possibly destroy them). 

Edited September 9, 2022 by Phantom711

[mettschnitte]

vor 37 Minuten schrieb Phantom711:

it is not a realistic or (logically sound) mission, that an F-16 is going to fly in order to search for early warning radars

It took me 1 min of research to find out that 23rd TFS did exactly this mission with F-16C out of Turkey during desert storm. Although they mostly knew the position they still had to verify every threat and as EWR provides a lot of SA they were targeted early on which actually put them under lots of SAM pressure. This did not only included old soviet stuff but also more modern french exports. They did use F-4G and F-16C but they served the same purpose of deteriorating their SAM network and taking out high value EW assets.

Edited September 9, 2022 by mettschnitte

[okopanja]

20 minutes ago, mettschnitte said:

It took me 1 min of research to find out that 23rd TFS did exactly this mission with F-16C out of Turkey during desert storm. Although they mostly knew the position they still had to verify every threat and as EWR provides a lot of SA they were targeted early on which actually put them under lots of SAM pressure. This did not only included old soviet stuff but also more modern french exports. They did use F-4G and F-16C but they served the same purpose of deteriorating their SAM network and taking out high value EW assets.

 

Which EWRs? Link?