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[western_JPN]

Today's ED official Newsletter is telling about Sinai update!

> The impressive DCS: Sinai map update is also nearing release.

[corbu1]

Yes, loved the announcement in the newsletter. But does it mean we can expect the update now with the coming DCS patch?

[MustangSally]

On 7/31/2024 at 6:05 AM, Tango3B said:

These guys just do not care...at this point it cannot be more obvious. Just do not expect anything from these guys...

Well, proved you wrong!

[rob10]

On 8/2/2024 at 11:57 AM, corbu1 said:

Yes, loved the announcement in the newsletter. But does it mean we can expect the update now with the coming DCS patch?

Likely yes (NOTE: only likely).  BigNewy or Nineline indicated it was in testing but wasn't going to make the previously released patch but hopefully would make the next one.  So as long as they don't find any significant bugs that need fixing I would expect to see it in the next update.

[D1x_xER]

as I understand it, there will be no Ramat David base

[mwd2]

So we will see the first update in a few days [soon or two weeks] - if i understand last two Instagram posts.

But what happened after the first update - must we wait again for more than a year, for more updates and bug fixes [and i expect bugs after this coming first update]...

... so my question is, will we see a update on the roadmap with realistic timeframes and shorter time gaps between bug fixes? 

[Vakarian]

52 minutes ago, mwd2 said:

So we will see the first update in a few days [soon or two weeks] - if i understand last two Instagram posts.

But what happened after the first update - must we wait again for more than a year, for more updates and bug fixes [and i expect bugs after this coming first update]...

... so my question is, will we see a update on the roadmap with realistic timeframes and shorter time gaps between bug fixes? 

This.

If next update is again one year away, that doesn't bode well for the expected cadence of updates. Sure, map updates don't happen every update, but waiting a year for a bugfixes is really asking a lot as that timeframe was not clearly communicated when the map was released.

So I'm really hoping that after this update, next one is only a couple of months away. Let's be honest, there's no way every single bug is going to get fixed in this update which is why it would be prudent from the devs to set expectations on when the next update might be happening. A quarter, half a year, year?

[cfrag]

41 minutes ago, Vakarian said:

If next update is again one year away, that doesn't bode well

Agreed. Let us be positive and hope that the kind people at @OnReTech have learned this important lesson and provide timely and regular updates (both in the form of communication and patches), so that the Sinai map can finally live up to its immense promise. I'm deeply impressed with ORT's initial effort, and deeply saddened by their spectacular fumble in the interminable time after their release. So, let's add some hope (in my case, make it a "Negroni" instead of "Americano" whilst lounging outside, listening to the dulcet strokes Lemmy applies to his Guitar) to the mix and wait for better news 

[skywalker22]

 

 

Edited August 9, 2024 by skywalker22

[bal2o]

@OnReTech just nice update. too many waiting, but is here.

 

now we need to find all new great big target ^^

 

 

[skywalker22]

@OnReTech why airbase like Ramat David has been removed from the map? Also south part of the Libanon (airports and cities) has been removed as well. It's quite a shame to downgrade it. Why is that so?

 

Edited August 9, 2024 by skywalker22

[N0XID]

its still the same. i am on steam and we got no update yet.. i flew over Ramat 1 min ago and it looks like the same! 

The last city with objects in SINAI Nort is TYRE on the Coast. NABATHIE is also nothing in the old version....

Edited August 9, 2024 by N0XID

[bandit648]

51 minutes ago, skywalker22 said:

@OnReTech why airbase like Ramat David has been removed from the map? Also south part of the Libanon (airports and cities) has been removed as well. It's quite a shame to downgrade it. Why is that so?

 

Removed? They were never there in first place. Maybe you're confusing Sinai map with the Syria map, which has those locations.

 

[Viper33]

1 hour ago, bandit648 said:

Removed? They were never there in first place. Maybe you're confusing Sinai map with the Syria map, which has those locations.

 

The surrounding area was much more detailed. 

[bandit648]

35 minutes ago, Viper33 said:

The surrounding area was much more detailed. 

 

Ah yes, there was some low quality autogen type scenery in that area. I typically didn't fly up that way because of that. I guess this was done to avoid overlap with the Syria map? Kind of disappointing as I hoped they would complete Israel with all its airbases. This would be an awesome map with whole of Israel and some airfields in Jordan and Saudi Arabia. 

 

[inexus]

Still a ton of auto generated textures just dumped on the map... that's after a year waiting working on this update....null

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Edited August 9, 2024 by inexus

[Kappa-131st]

Why North of Israel have been removed in the last update ?  
Is this a update or a regression pack ?
I have mapped many missions in this zone... Is this a Joke ? You littary removed Haifa !!
They want us to refound the map ?

Before update : 

After update : 

 

HAIFA before and after the update :

@OnReTech any explaination ?

 

Edited August 10, 2024 by Kappa-131st

[T.Power]

Has everyone been living under a rock for the past 10 months?

[cfrag]

34 minutes ago, Kappa-131st said:

Why North of Israel have been removed in the last update ?

It appears that there is some internal differences on who may publish which parts of the world, and ED were IMHO unprofessional enough to allow this internal contention spill into the public. The contested area‘s detail was (temporarily? I hope) removed from Sinai. Let us hope all concerned parties find a good way forward that benefits all, and allows everyone to put this kind of childish behavior back inside internal meetings where cooler, more reasonable heads prevail. We customers don‘t need to see this, and we don‘t react well to unprofessional behavior. This is bad.

Edited August 10, 2024 by cfrag

[Kappa-131st]

So it's Ugra Media that we have to thank for this...

[rob10]

33 minutes ago, Kappa-131st said:

So it's Ugra Media that we have to thank for this...

In fairness, we don't know Urga has anything to do with this.  NineLine speculated that it was about stepping on a third parties toes (i.e. Urga), but the ORT post doesn't imply that.  As another poster suggested, this could be about licensing with wherever ORT got their base data from.  That's very plausible since the chopped area follows a major lat/long grid line (logical spot for licensing to stop) and apparently doesn't really match up with where Syria goes to.  Either way, the end result looks bad on ORT and more so that it wasn't announced ahead of time or even in the changelog.

[Kappa-131st]

21 minutes ago, rob10 said:

In fairness, we don't know Urga has anything to do with this.  NineLine speculated that it was about stepping on a third parties toes (i.e. Urga), but the ORT post doesn't imply that.  As another poster suggested, this could be about licensing with wherever ORT got their base data from.  That's very plausible since the chopped area follows a major lat/long grid line (logical spot for licensing to stop) and apparently doesn't really match up with where Syria goes to.  Either way, the end result looks bad on ORT and more so that it wasn't announced ahead of time or even in the changelog.

I agree that there remains ambiguity about who is really responsible for this withdrawal request. But I don't see how it couldn't be Ugra Media, ORT is talking about a request coming from a Thirt part, and all the removed territory corresponds exactly to what currently exists on the Ugra Media Syria map. Who is responsible for this request therefore becomes perfectly obvious to me.

And if the partners had discussed among themselves instead of making cuts in regions already delivered to users, this suspicion would not exist. This type of problem should have been resolved before the delivery of the Sinai card.

Additionally, Ugra Media is not left out as their own map, Normandy 2, encroaches on ED's "Channel" map...

[T.Power]

7 hours ago, anlq said:

Yes, what does the guy on the rock know ? 

Apparently I'm wrong and it was an internal error, this I have to hear.

Edited August 10, 2024 by T.Power

[Nightdare]

So, the store page mentions 700x700km detailed map contents

 

How much is left after this?

[Nightdare]

22 hours ago, T.Power said:

Has everyone been living under a rock for the past 10 months?

 

Apparently, if this is about possible misuse of DCS maps for strategic value,... Google Maps has