Foveated Rendering Support for DCS

[mimamema]

2 hours ago, Suet said:

First of all, many thanks to mbucchia for this amazing tool ! 

Regarding MSSA, i noticed some shimmering on textures (specially on terrain), which was not present without foveating rendering.
So i tried to change my MSAA settings (i was using 4x), but it seems that MSAA selector has not any effect. I got same result with 4x,2x or off.

Please can you confirm it ? Would it be possible that ED disables MSAA when using quad view rendering ?

Regards,

 

To be honest, just before I started testing the foveated rendering I cranked it up to 4x and never looked back. I will make some tests with different values to observe the effects that it has on the game and if it is noticeable or not.

 

[Hippo]

3 hours ago, Suet said:

First of all, many thanks to mbucchia for this amazing tool ! 

Regarding MSSA, i noticed some shimmering on textures (specially on terrain), which was not present without foveating rendering.
So i tried to change my MSAA settings (i was using 4x), but it seems that MSAA selector has not any effect. I got same result with 4x,2x or off.

Please can you confirm it ? Would it be possible that ED disables MSAA when using quad view rendering ?

Regards,

 

I've noticed no difference.  That doesn't mean there isn't any, but MSAA is definitely working for me.

Edited June 22, 2023 by Hippo

[Hippo]

Some further thoughts on performance...

Changing the following (from 0.50)

horizontal_focus_section=0.60
vertical_focus_section=0.60

I find that the approx 10% improvement I was getting appears to be negated.  Unfortunately, for me at 0.50 the peripheral distortions were too much of a distraction.  I assume that there is an overhead (at 0.90 performance is worse) and that it must be overcome by the gains from rendering at a lower resolution.  I'm beginning to fear that mbucchia was making a very good point when he said that he didn't think the gains to be made on the QP were worth the programming effort required.  Sorry to come across as negative, I hope to be proved wrong, and I am sure that for many it will be worthwhile.

None of this is to take away from mbucchia's efforts and generosity in providing this software, for which I am very grateful.

Edited June 22, 2023 by Hippo

[mbucchia]

15 minutes ago, Hippo said:

I find that the approx 10% improvement I was getting appears to be negated

It will always depend on user to user.

If you were only getting a 10% gain then you are on the very low end of the spectrum...

What quad views does is help reduce the overhead of 1) pixel shading and 2) pixel rasterization. In you are not in a situation (game settings, resolution, GPU) where these are your bottleneck, then you won't see as much improvements. It's similar to CPU vs GPU bound. Your sig shows you are on a GTX 1080... I suspect such an old system will have many more bottlenecks than just 1) and 2).

[dburne]

3 hours ago, Suet said:

First of all, many thanks to mbucchia for this amazing tool ! 

Regarding MSSA, i noticed some shimmering on textures (specially on terrain), which was not present without foveating rendering.
So i tried to change my MSAA settings (i was using 4x), but it seems that MSAA selector has not any effect. I got same result with 4x,2x or off.

Please can you confirm it ? Would it be possible that ED disables MSAA when using quad view rendering ?

Regards,

 

 

Seems to be working fine with the Aero, I run at 4x MSAA and have zero shimmering. Also using the DFR/eye tracking feature for the Aero.

[Hippo]

2 hours ago, mbucchia said:

It will always depend on user to user.

If you were only getting a 10% gain then you are on the very low end of the spectrum...

What quad views does is help reduce the overhead of 1) pixel shading and 2) pixel rasterization. In you are not in a situation (game settings, resolution, GPU) where these are your bottleneck, then you won't see as much improvements. It's similar to CPU vs GPU bound. Your sig shows you are on a GTX 1080... I suspect such an old system will have many more bottlenecks than just 1) and 2).

Thanks again.  (BTW, my sig was out of date, thanks for mentioning, now updated).  What sort of gains are people seeing on Quest Pro?  Please note that my "10%" is as described in my previous post.

Edited June 22, 2023 by Hippo

[VirusAM]

I Just tried this new magic with my new quest pro.
Performance seems good, but I see that ASW Is hot engaging correctly... before locking to 36fps i see it dipping from 72 to 66/63/67 then back to 72 then 36 then after a few seconds back to 72..
Do you think it would be better to lock ASW Always on?
Is hags still to put off in windows 11 for reprojection to work properly?
PS I am a new qpro user but old oculus one

Sent from my Pixel 6 using Tapatalk

[skywalker22]

56 minutes ago, Hippo said:

Thanks again.  (BTW, my sig was out of date, thanks for mentioning, now updated).  What sort of gains are people seeing on Quest Pro?  Please note that my "10%" is as per described in my previous post.

 

With this new @mbucchia's app, clarity is the main one. I can see now so clearly every where I look, it's outstanding. Even better then Reverb G2. 

[nikoel]

2 hours ago, VirusAM said:

I Just tried this new magic with my new quest pro.
Performance seems good, but I see that ASW Is hot engaging correctly... before locking to 36fps i see it dipping from 72 to 66/63/67 then back to 72 then 36 then after a few seconds back to 72..
Do you think it would be better to lock ASW Always on?
Is hags still to put off in windows 11 for reprojection to work properly?
PS I am a new qpro user but old oculus one

Sent from my Pixel 6 using Tapatalk


 

Turbo?

[VirusAM]

Turbo?

Tried with both off and on...Turbo seemed slightly better to me

[skywalker22]

Did anyone noticed some small detail while loading, it's hourglass on bottom right

@mbucchia btw, can you put it into the very middle? Would look better.

[mbucchia]

30 minutes ago, skywalker22 said:

Did anyone noticed some small detail while loading, it's hourglass on bottom right

@mbucchia btw, can you put it into the very middle? Would look better.

Wut??

[skywalker22]

22 minutes ago, mbucchia said:

Wut??

In VR, I see the new hourglass icon on all DCS loading screens (loading game, map, restart map). Am I the only one? I would take a screenshot, but it does not show it.

I thought you have to do something with it, that it is your work. Because I have never seen it before, it is there after installing this app of yours.

[Mr109]

1 minute ago, skywalker22 said:

In VR, I see the new hourglass icon on all DCS loading screens (loading game, map, restart map). Am I the only one? I would take a screenshot, but it does not show it.

I think it's a quest thing. Not related to this.

[Sile]

vor 10 Minuten schrieb skywalker22:

In VR, I see the new hourglass icon on all DCS loading screens (loading game, map, restart map). Am I the only one? I would take a screenshot, but it does not show it.

I thought you have to do something with it, that it is your work. Because I have never seen it before, it is there after installing this app of yours.

Seriously???

Hourglass was there before meta-foveated for me.

[Werewolf_fs]

Same... It was before

Edited June 23, 2023 by Werewolf_fs

[VirusAM]

In VR, I see the new hourglass icon on all DCS loading screens (loading game, map, restart map). Am I the only one? I would take a screenshot, but it does not show it.
I thought you have to do something with it, that it is your work. Because I have never seen it before, it is there after installing this app of yours.

As others say it is an oculus thing

[7Coolhand]

I notice 30-40% performances gain. I have cranked up the settings and DCS is have never looked better in VR.

It’s unbelievable that one guy can make this big difference!

Everybody that enjoy this piece of magic software should consider to sponsor this magician with some coffee money.

[Hippo]

23 minutes ago, 7Coolhand said:

I notice 30-40% performances gain. I have cranked up the settings and DCS is have never looked better in VR.

It’s unbelievable that one guy can make this big difference!

Everybody that enjoy this piece of magic software should consider to sponsor this magician with some coffee money.

I would love to see that sort of gain. and would like to try to replicate what you're doing on my system.  If it's not too much trouble, please could you kindly provide your settings: (oculus, meta-foveated, DCS), how you're measusing, which mission you're using to test?  What is your system, btw?

Edited June 23, 2023 by Hippo

[skywalker22]

1 hour ago, Sile said:

Seriously???

Hourglass was there before meta-foveated for me.

Ok then, I never seen it before, that's why I asked. Thx guys.

[TZeer]

@nikoel & @mbucchia I can confirm it's working on my AMD RX 6900XT card.

 

[VirusAM]

7 minutes ago, TZeer said:

@nikoel & @mbucchia I can confirm it's working on my AMD RX 6900XT card.

 

Do you have also ASW correctly working?

[TZeer]

50 minutes ago, VirusAM said:

Do you have also ASW correctly working?

Not tested that yet. Only quick setup with ASW disabled to compare frames.

But ASW has worked without much problem before. And was better on quest pro then what I got with MR on my G2

[Scavenger]

Hi folks. Apologies if this is off-topic, but I'm looking to dip my toes in the VR space and this foveated rendering sounds quite promising - I was looking at reviews of the Quest Pro in DCS and a few users were saying it's a great headset but that the price shows it's not really 'meant for DCS' (effectively that DCS doesn't take full advantage of it). Would you say the implementation of foveated rendering here negates those comments? 

In addition, do you think the performance gains here are enough for a 4070 (non-Ti), 5800X3D and 32 GB of DDR4 to make use of the headset, or should I be going for the Quest 2 instead? Sorry again if off-topic! 

[Hippo]

34 minutes ago, Scavenger said:

Hi folks. Apologies if this is off-topic, but I'm looking to dip my toes in the VR space and this foveated rendering sounds quite promising - I was looking at reviews of the Quest Pro in DCS and a few users were saying it's a great headset but that the price shows it's not really 'meant for DCS' (effectively that DCS doesn't take full advantage of it). Would you say the implementation of foveated rendering here negates those comments? 

In addition, do you think the performance gains here are enough for a 4070 (non-Ti), 5800X3D and 32 GB of DDR4 to make use of the headset, or should I be going for the Quest 2 instead? Sorry again if off-topic! 

My understanding is that they're both (Q2 and QP) pushing (around) the same number of pixels, so performance should be about the same.  It's just the QP's lenses are so much better that you end up with a clearer, brighter image.  I've just bought a QP, and my Q2 is now on ebay, the improvement in image quality is very significant.  I had some issues with comfort, but I'm getting used to / around those.  I did not notice a change in performance going Q2 -> QP.

You should be fine for a decent experience with your system (though this is very subjective), just don't expect to be able to run everything at high fps with highest quality settings.

There's of course also the option to wait for the Q3.

For me, the foveated rendering, and this is just a first impression, is not providing a significant performance improvement.  Many others are seeing one  So I don't know, and it's still early days.  There are so many different configs and expectations...

P.S. If you are referring to this sort of thing

I would say that, in my opinion, that video is wrong and does the QP a huge disservice, more so now that the price has gone down.

P.P.S Have you checked out?  Many interesting views and links there.

 

Edited June 23, 2023 by Hippo