Request To Add Available Historical/Relevant Liveries to the Fw190A8

[Rudel_chw]

1 hour ago, Magic Zach said:

However a handful of the liveries live on in the 4YA Project Overlord liveries pack. 

Thank you so much, I will check them … however, I don’t want to lose the default liveries, so I will rename yours on the description.lua ..  fortunately I don’t do multiplayer 

[lee1hy]

On 2/18/2023 at 10:35 AM, Magic Zach said:

I'm going to preface this with a one-stop summary: This is a post arguing for already-made and available liveries for the Fw-190A8 to be added to DCS officially for broader usage to the playerbase in singleplayer and online, allowing other players to use and see them.  Download options are available at the bottom of this post.

Who: The skins are made by myself.  I have been within the DCS community for a good number of years, since the Dogs of War server (when there was only the P51, Fw190D9, and Bf109K), and almost all of it was within the WWII side of DCS.  Of mission makers and server runners today, like the 4YA Project Overlord server, one of the most reoccurring complaints from mission designers is that we do not have a historical livery selection for the Fw190.  This has been noted by the player base of late.  Having been around these complaints and criticisms for some time, within that context and that of the required time period and location, I've created a set of liveries for the Fw190A.

What: We do not have a single historical and relevant livery for the Fw190A8 in DCS at this moment.  Of all the chosen liveries from the Fw190A8's livery contest, none of them are historical, or relevant to France in 1944.  Some of them do not have working bort numbers.  A couple are Japanese Zero cosplays.  And some are only relevant to earlier versions of the Anton.

There is a big deficit in DCS for a historical livery set for the Anton 8.  To attempt to remedy this, I have created liveries for JG26 and JG1 in their summer 1944 configuration.
I'm proposing that Eagle Dynamics incorporate some of these liveries into DCS officially.  This will give the simulator its first historical liveries for the Fw190A8.  There are 6 liveries (different Staffeln) of the JG26 to choose from, and 4 from JG1.

One may argue that an individual can install any liveries he may choose from the Userfiles and use those.  However, this has some severe limitations: 

1) Other players online cannot see your livery unless they, by pure coincidence, have that livery also installed.  That is very rare.

2) Our most popular servers have the Liveries locked.  They cannot be changed by the player, only the mission designer.

So it benefits everyone more if these new liveries are added to the official DCS install.  Then everyone has them as standard, and it can be used and seen by everyone.

Historical Context:

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I./JG26 and II./JG26 were stationed in France prior to and subsequently after the allied invasion in June, 1944.  I./JG26 arrived and remained in France from June 1943, until the Luftwaffe abandoned France in August of 1944, and were stationed at airfields such as Vitry-en-Artois, Chaumont-en-Vexin, Les Mesnuls, and Vendeville.  II./JG26 (second gruppe) arrived in France in August of 1943, and remained in the country for a full year.  Second Gruppe was stationed at airfields such as Mont-de-Marsan, Mons-en-Chaussee, and the famous Guyancourt.  Guyancourt is an airfield confirmed to be included in the upcoming Normandy 2.0 upgrade.  Just a month prior to the invasion, they received their first new Fw190A8s, replacing their A7s.
I./JG1 moved to France on the day of the invasion, but was a highly active and supplied Fw190 gruppe for the entire duration of the allied campaign in France.  Their main two stations in France for the duration were Montdidier and Lonrai, with a brief period in Le Mans.  Their final airfield in France was Aulnay-aux-Planches on August 11, 1944, for only a week...a transitional stop as the Luftwaffe was abandoning France.  Second gruppe, II./JG1, was stationed at Montdidier too, as well as Semallé.  Here, they remained until early August 1944.  Their last station in France was Connantre on August 11 for five days, as they were exiting France. They received their first batch of 190A8s in April, to replace their 190A7s.

These are both the two most active Fw190 units in France around the time of the invasion, and for the duration of the allied campaign in France.

The Liveries:
Here I have a livery for 2./JG26, 4./JG26 5./JG26, 6./JG26, 7./JG26, and 8./JG26, comprising of half of I./JG26, and all of II./JG26.
For JG1, I have 1./JG1, 2./JG1, 3./JG1, and 6./JG1, consisting of most of I./JG1 and a Staffel from II./JG1.
I made some special features for these liveries.
1) the camouflage tones, specifically RLM 70, were adjusted to be a more realistic darker color tone
2) each livery has a slightly different camouflage pattern on the fuselage.  If you look closely you can see the differences between each livery
3) the bort numbers are custom drawn, and weathered to better suit the weather-worn nature of the aircraft

First and second Gruppe, JG1.  The JG1 identify themselves by their red tail band and unit emblem on the cowling.
1./JG1, which often included additional ID paint on the underside of the wing tips:

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2./JG1:

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3./JG1:

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6./JG1:

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First and second Gruppe, JG26.  The JG26 identify themselves by their yellow rudder, and the II./JG26 by the inclusion of a horizontal bar.  The bar and ID numbers change depending on the Staffel within that Gruppe.
2./JG26:

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4./JG26:

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5./JG26:

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6./JG26:

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7./JG26:
 

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8./JG26:
 

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Downloads:
I have given these liveries a tiered choice to be included into DCS.  A first top 5, and a second top 5.
There are two options for how to download
1) Standard download.  Each livery is individual, and individually includes all the textures it requires.  This includes, due to the adjusted camouflage tones, the left and right wings.  Disk space consumed for all 10 liveries: 666MB.  Standard download HERE.
2) Reliant download.  Each new livery is dependent on the 1./JG1 livery to acquire the left and right wing textures, instead of locally.  This requires the 1./JG1 livery to be included, in order for other chosen liveries to work.  However, this more smartly uses disk storage.  Disk space consumed for all 10 liveries: 282MB.  Reliant download HERE.

 

 

Have you ever won a fw190 ww2 livery competition? Or do you have a ww2  fw190 skin you made?

Everywhere you write, you complain, but you can't create anything.

What did you create today?

wt h 

Edited April 1 by lee1hy

[Art-J]

WTH indeed.

Have you actually fully read the post you quoted, or read that drivel you wrote yourself for that matter?

1) Zach started making Anton skins 3 years after the livery competition took place. If he was around back then I'm sure some of his skins would've been included.

2) He scratch made a whole Anton skin pack literally posted in this very thread and and even more detailed Mustang skin pack as well, available in Mustang section, so looks like he indeed can create some custom content for DCS warbirds. What about you?

[Gunfreak]

On 2/18/2023 at 2:35 AM, Magic Zach said:

I'm going to preface this with a one-stop summary: This is a post arguing for already-made and available liveries for the Fw-190A8 to be added to DCS officially for broader usage to the playerbase in singleplayer and online, allowing other players to use and see them.  Download options are available at the bottom of this post.

Who: The skins are made by myself.  I have been within the DCS community for a good number of years, since the Dogs of War server (when there was only the P51, Fw190D9, and Bf109K), and almost all of it was within the WWII side of DCS.  Of mission makers and server runners today, like the 4YA Project Overlord server, one of the most reoccurring complaints from mission designers is that we do not have a historical livery selection for the Fw190.  This has been noted by the player base of late.  Having been around these complaints and criticisms for some time, within that context and that of the required time period and location, I've created a set of liveries for the Fw190A.

What: We do not have a single historical and relevant livery for the Fw190A8 in DCS at this moment.  Of all the chosen liveries from the Fw190A8's livery contest, none of them are historical, or relevant to France in 1944.  Some of them do not have working bort numbers.  A couple are Japanese Zero cosplays.  And some are only relevant to earlier versions of the Anton.

There is a big deficit in DCS for a historical livery set for the Anton 8.  To attempt to remedy this, I have created liveries for JG26 and JG1 in their summer 1944 configuration.
I'm proposing that Eagle Dynamics incorporate some of these liveries into DCS officially.  This will give the simulator its first historical liveries for the Fw190A8.  There are 6 liveries (different Staffeln) of the JG26 to choose from, and 4 from JG1.

One may argue that an individual can install any liveries he may choose from the Userfiles and use those.  However, this has some severe limitations: 

1) Other players online cannot see your livery unless they, by pure coincidence, have that livery also installed.  That is very rare.

2) Our most popular servers have the Liveries locked.  They cannot be changed by the player, only the mission designer.

So it benefits everyone more if these new liveries are added to the official DCS install.  Then everyone has them as standard, and it can be used and seen by everyone.

Historical Context:

  Reveal hidden contents

I./JG26 and II./JG26 were stationed in France prior to and subsequently after the allied invasion in June, 1944.  I./JG26 arrived and remained in France from June 1943, until the Luftwaffe abandoned France in August of 1944, and were stationed at airfields such as Vitry-en-Artois, Chaumont-en-Vexin, Les Mesnuls, and Vendeville.  II./JG26 (second gruppe) arrived in France in August of 1943, and remained in the country for a full year.  Second Gruppe was stationed at airfields such as Mont-de-Marsan, Mons-en-Chaussee, and the famous Guyancourt.  Guyancourt is an airfield confirmed to be included in the upcoming Normandy 2.0 upgrade.  Just a month prior to the invasion, they received their first new Fw190A8s, replacing their A7s.
I./JG1 moved to France on the day of the invasion, but was a highly active and supplied Fw190 gruppe for the entire duration of the allied campaign in France.  Their main two stations in France for the duration were Montdidier and Lonrai, with a brief period in Le Mans.  Their final airfield in France was Aulnay-aux-Planches on August 11, 1944, for only a week...a transitional stop as the Luftwaffe was abandoning France.  Second gruppe, II./JG1, was stationed at Montdidier too, as well as Semallé.  Here, they remained until early August 1944.  Their last station in France was Connantre on August 11 for five days, as they were exiting France. They received their first batch of 190A8s in April, to replace their 190A7s.

These are both the two most active Fw190 units in France around the time of the invasion, and for the duration of the allied campaign in France.

The Liveries:
Here I have a livery for 2./JG26, 4./JG26 5./JG26, 6./JG26, 7./JG26, and 8./JG26, comprising of half of I./JG26, and all of II./JG26.
For JG1, I have 1./JG1, 2./JG1, 3./JG1, and 6./JG1, consisting of most of I./JG1 and a Staffel from II./JG1.
I made some special features for these liveries.
1) the camouflage tones, specifically RLM 70, were adjusted to be a more realistic darker color tone
2) each livery has a slightly different camouflage pattern on the fuselage.  If you look closely you can see the differences between each livery
3) the bort numbers are custom drawn, and weathered to better suit the weather-worn nature of the aircraft

First and second Gruppe, JG1.  The JG1 identify themselves by their red tail band and unit emblem on the cowling.
1./JG1, which often included additional ID paint on the underside of the wing tips:

  Reveal hidden contents

2./JG1:

  Reveal hidden contents

3./JG1:

  Reveal hidden contents

6./JG1:

  Reveal hidden contents

First and second Gruppe, JG26.  The JG26 identify themselves by their yellow rudder, and the II./JG26 by the inclusion of a horizontal bar.  The bar and ID numbers change depending on the Staffel within that Gruppe.
2./JG26:

  Reveal hidden contents

4./JG26:

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5./JG26:

  Reveal hidden contents

6./JG26:

  Reveal hidden contents

7./JG26:
 

  Reveal hidden contents

8./JG26:
 

  Reveal hidden contents

Downloads:
I have given these liveries a tiered choice to be included into DCS.  A first top 5, and a second top 5.
There are two options for how to download
1) Standard download.  Each livery is individual, and individually includes all the textures it requires.  This includes, due to the adjusted camouflage tones, the left and right wings.  Disk space consumed for all 10 liveries: 666MB.  Standard download HERE.
2) Reliant download.  Each new livery is dependent on the 1./JG1 livery to acquire the left and right wing textures, instead of locally.  This requires the 1./JG1 livery to be included, in order for other chosen liveries to work.  However, this more smartly uses disk storage.  Disk space consumed for all 10 liveries: 282MB.  Reliant download HERE.

 

Is there a working link for these?

[Magic Zach]

7 hours ago, Gunfreak said:

Is there a working link for these?

Unfortunately no, I had to remove them as the liveries themselves took up a rather large area of my limited space on Google Drive, and I had to make space for other projects.

However, there are some that live on in the 4YA PO livery pack here: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/14jmJoMrsdwWF_x3uyiQYBcmUk_qhEPZT?usp=sharing

Do note however, these are particularly written so they will overwrite default liveries, not create new separate ones entirely.  This is so the server mission designers can take advantage of default liveries, and the historically modded ones still work for users at their own choice.  This doesn't break Integrity Check (last I looked, but would be surprised if something changed for IC on liveries in the months I've been gone).  Installation is recommended best with JSGME or OvGME, both modloaders that work well with DCS.

[Night Owl]

vor einer Stunde schrieb Magic Zach:

Unfortunately no, I had to remove them as the liveries themselves took up a rather large area of my limited space on Google Drive, and I had to make space for other projects.

I can host the correctly named ones on my GD too if you wish