Callsign.Vega Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 Lol that guy is a "VR Chat" guy. He's going to prioritize everything opposite a sim person. Like my Asian girlfriend critiquing a Ferrari's driving dynamics. 4 GPU: RTX 4090 - 3,000 MHz core / 12,000 MHz VRAM. CPU: 7950X3d - 5.2 GHz X3d, 5.8 GHz secondary / MB: ASUS Crosshair X670E Gene / RAM: G.Skill 48GB 6400 MHz SSD: Intel Optane P5800X - 800GB VR: Pimax Crystal CONTROLS: VPC MongoosT-50CM3 Base / VPC Constellation ALPHA Prime Grip / VPC MongoosT-50CM3 Throttle / TM Pendular Rudders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ackattacker Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 14 hours ago, winghunter said: TLDW * Its the best headset from Pimax * Quite heavy - 1.2 kg * Head straps break * Some units ship with plastic lenses, to be replaced later * Exchangeable lens system seems like a gimmick * People receive different versions of the cable / copper vs fiber optic * Resolution and brightness are really good * Local dimming is difficult to get working, and causes some blooming * No games seem to be running above 90Hz currently, despite showing 120Hz * Controller tracking is ok, not great * Glass lenses have some chromatic aberration * Headset may work best for stationary simulators, but not for motion based games due to weight and tracking Also, small sweet spot and outside the sweet spot causes geometric distortions/ pupil swim. People call this guy a Pimax hater but I think he’s just being realistic. A $1600 device that’s a year late and still feels like a beta product. Which, honestly, is typical Pimax. He’s upfront that he’s not a simmer, but really the headset is sold as a do-everything, what with the wireless and standalone capabilities. It really seems sub-optimal for those uses even after the software side is sorted. I’d much rather watch his reviews than Sebastian’s “everything is wonderful” gush-fests. 9 Ryzen 7800x3d, 64gb, MSI RTX4090 Suprim , Sidewinder FFB with F16 grip, TM Warthog Throttle, MFG crosswind pedals. Pimax Crystal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BazzaLB Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 12 hours ago, WipeUout said: Another Pimax hater, who plays job simulator... not the type of reviewer with flight sim credibility. Well, to be fair, he said its a too heavy but might be perfect for people who play seated like "Sim players". So he even openly states he is NOT a sim player, unlike another youtuber who basically praises every single headset so long as he can peddle some "referral codes" and simply rinses and repeats a different headset every week with some invented perfect purpose. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WipeUout Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 I agree that Pimax goofed it with shipping issues and their glass lenses production. Sadly it seems that it is becoming a trend in the PC industry unfortunately. It is the Microsoft way applied to hardware But once they have their act together, the product is outstanding. I have nothing to say against my 8KX, it is damn good, as long as you have the hardware to push it or course. Seems that things are improving though, nevertheless I will wait a month or two more before pulling the trigger. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ i9-13900K, RTX 4090, 64GB, ADDLINK S72 2TB, TM WARTHOG COMBO + PENDULAR RUDDER PEDALS, PIMAX 8K X, Sony 5.1 Spks+SubW | DCS OB, A-10C_II, AH-64D, F-14/16/18, F-86F, AV-8B, M-2000C, SA342, Huey, Spitfire, FC3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAM Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 Quite a good review from flight simmer in NZ. Consider that he has plastic lenses. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WipeUout Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 9 hours ago, NAM said: Quite a good review from flight simmer in NZ. Consider that he has plastic lenses. Good review and very intersting to see the performance comparison between the G2 and the Crystal from a 3080Ti perspective. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ i9-13900K, RTX 4090, 64GB, ADDLINK S72 2TB, TM WARTHOG COMBO + PENDULAR RUDDER PEDALS, PIMAX 8K X, Sony 5.1 Spks+SubW | DCS OB, A-10C_II, AH-64D, F-14/16/18, F-86F, AV-8B, M-2000C, SA342, Huey, Spitfire, FC3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Germane Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 Am 6.6.2023 um 16:31 schrieb Merlin_VFA34: Till now I was using a G2 and the picture is compared to the G2 a little bit sharper,ä... Hi Merlin, the picture is only a little bit sharper than the one of the G2? That surprises me. According to prevuous reports, it should be massively better. Thats a bit disappointing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlin_VFA34 Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 2 minutes ago, Germane said: Hi Merlin, the picture is only a little bit sharper than the one of the G2? That surprises me. According to prevuous reports, it should be massively better. Thats a bit disappointing... That depends how you define sharper. I mean the picture of the G2 is perfect if you would only look at the small inner circle (something like 20°). A Crystal is "increase the 20° to 90°" and make the picture a little bit sharper. It is for example no problem the read the tacan channel of the F14 in that 90° arc. That is impossible if you use the G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Germane Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 vor 4 Stunden schrieb Merlin_VFA34: That depends how you define sharper. I mean the picture of the G2 is perfect if you would only look at the small inner circle (something like 20°). A Crystal is "increase the 20° to 90°" and make the picture a little bit sharper. It is for example no problem the read the tacan channel of the F14 in that 90° arc. That is impossible if you use the G2 Hmm, okay. Thank you for your answer. What resolution are we talking about with the G2? Native resolution or 100% Steam VR? Personally, I'm not really satisfied with the sharpness in the sweet spot. That's why I expected a significant improvement from the Crystel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlin_VFA34 Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 3 hours ago, Germane said: Hmm, okay. Thank you for your answer. What resolution are we talking about with the G2? Native resolution or 100% Steam VR? Personally, I'm not really satisfied with the sharpness in the sweet spot. That's why I expected a significant improvement from the Crystel. I have not used steam vr lately. But yes the G2 at 100% A few other observations: I had some time for more tests and I tryed to use SteamVR but as soon as DCS homescreen pops up DCS crashes (MT Version). The single thread version works and the framerate is the same as MT DCS openXR If I enable turbo mode in openxr I will allways be limited by the mainthread but even at a framerate ob 90 frames the tracking feels does not smooth If I don´t start up the headset bevor turning on the computer the headset will not be detected. The only way to fix the problem is a reboot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willie Nelson Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 (edited) I think the big question for me is simply about the smart smoothing not appearing to work effectively with DCS as yet. If this headset is not able to do some form of reprojection at least for now, then it’s a non starter for the time being. Maybe that changes down the track if Vulkan gets up and running perhaps but I’ve been using my G2 lately with the multi threading to avoid the stutter issue and I’m getting around 65+ FPS. 65+ FPS doesn’t look great I have to say and most of the testers even on a 4090 with resolution dialled right down are getting nowhere near that. I hope I’m missing something but until I can have my reprojection concerns addressed, I think I will have to hold off. A friend also appointed out the crappy returns policy constantly being dragged out into the non warranty period and that concerns me too. Edited June 14, 2023 by Willie Nelson i7700k OC to 4.8GHz with Noctua NH-U14S (fan) with AORUS RTX2080ti 11GB Waterforce. 32GDDR, Warthog HOTAS and Saitek rudders. HP Reverb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callsign.Vega Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 Ugg, Pimax sent me Fedex shipping notification and a day later says cancelled. What the heck is going on over there. GPU: RTX 4090 - 3,000 MHz core / 12,000 MHz VRAM. CPU: 7950X3d - 5.2 GHz X3d, 5.8 GHz secondary / MB: ASUS Crosshair X670E Gene / RAM: G.Skill 48GB 6400 MHz SSD: Intel Optane P5800X - 800GB VR: Pimax Crystal CONTROLS: VPC MongoosT-50CM3 Base / VPC Constellation ALPHA Prime Grip / VPC MongoosT-50CM3 Throttle / TM Pendular Rudders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogmanbird Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 I saw it mentioned on reddit that some orders are getting cancelled at the last minute because they were plastic lenses. Instead, they will send a new shipment with glass lenses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callsign.Vega Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 Oh thank god, don't want no stinking plastic lens. GPU: RTX 4090 - 3,000 MHz core / 12,000 MHz VRAM. CPU: 7950X3d - 5.2 GHz X3d, 5.8 GHz secondary / MB: ASUS Crosshair X670E Gene / RAM: G.Skill 48GB 6400 MHz SSD: Intel Optane P5800X - 800GB VR: Pimax Crystal CONTROLS: VPC MongoosT-50CM3 Base / VPC Constellation ALPHA Prime Grip / VPC MongoosT-50CM3 Throttle / TM Pendular Rudders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winghunter Posted June 21, 2023 Author Share Posted June 21, 2023 (edited) 10 REASONS VARJO AERO is BETTER than PIMAX CRYSTAL Edited June 21, 2023 by winghunter DCS Web Editor - New 3D Mission Editor for DCS that runs in your browser DCS Web Viewer free browser based mission planner / viewer 4090 RTX, 13700KF, water cooled Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WipeUout Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 8 minutes ago, winghunter said: 10 REASONS VARJO AERO is BETTER than PIMAX CRYSTAL What a revelation! An HMD that cost twice as much has more built quality and features I hope he tries the crystal in DCS also... That would be helpful! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ i9-13900K, RTX 4090, 64GB, ADDLINK S72 2TB, TM WARTHOG COMBO + PENDULAR RUDDER PEDALS, PIMAX 8K X, Sony 5.1 Spks+SubW | DCS OB, A-10C_II, AH-64D, F-14/16/18, F-86F, AV-8B, M-2000C, SA342, Huey, Spitfire, FC3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorn557 Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 I guess his Pimax sponsorship deal ran out He's been shilling for the Crystal for months! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winghunter Posted June 21, 2023 Author Share Posted June 21, 2023 Peronally i'm leaning more towards the Meta Quest PRO even though i dislike the company. But it seems to be the overall most useful headset outside of DCS. DCS Web Editor - New 3D Mission Editor for DCS that runs in your browser DCS Web Viewer free browser based mission planner / viewer 4090 RTX, 13700KF, water cooled Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WipeUout Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 26 minutes ago, winghunter said: Peronally i'm leaning more towards the Meta Quest PRO even though i dislike the company. Pimax is not so good either at customer service and delivering the promises but going back to tunnel vision is worst for me. I like my 8kX, it is wide, clear and working fine in DCS. That's why I will probably stick with Pimax and get the Crystal. 1 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ i9-13900K, RTX 4090, 64GB, ADDLINK S72 2TB, TM WARTHOG COMBO + PENDULAR RUDDER PEDALS, PIMAX 8K X, Sony 5.1 Spks+SubW | DCS OB, A-10C_II, AH-64D, F-14/16/18, F-86F, AV-8B, M-2000C, SA342, Huey, Spitfire, FC3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tshark Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 I found this review helpful. 2 i9 10900KF 3.70GHz (5.30GHz Turbo), MSI RTX 4090 OC 24GB, ASUS Z590-E GAMING Motherboard, CORSAIR Vengeance 64GB DDR4 3600MHz, 2TB Intel 660P M.2 NVMe SSD, Virpil Alpha Joystick, T-50CM3 Throttle, MFG Xwind rudder pedals, Pimax Crystal VR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callsign.Vega Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 I really really hate these Crystal controllers. The tracking is the worst I've ever seen in VR and none of the buttons map to games properly. Any suggestions? Any way to get my Index controller and lighthouses to work independently? GPU: RTX 4090 - 3,000 MHz core / 12,000 MHz VRAM. CPU: 7950X3d - 5.2 GHz X3d, 5.8 GHz secondary / MB: ASUS Crosshair X670E Gene / RAM: G.Skill 48GB 6400 MHz SSD: Intel Optane P5800X - 800GB VR: Pimax Crystal CONTROLS: VPC MongoosT-50CM3 Base / VPC Constellation ALPHA Prime Grip / VPC MongoosT-50CM3 Throttle / TM Pendular Rudders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dburne Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 10 hours ago, Callsign.Vega said: I really really hate these Crystal controllers. The tracking is the worst I've ever seen in VR and none of the buttons map to games properly. Any suggestions? Any way to get my Index controller and lighthouses to work independently? IIRC Pimax had listed the ablilty to use Index controllers with the appropriate tracking as one of it's features - however not yet implemented , I believe it will require an add on module of sort. Don B EVGA Z390 Dark MB | i9 9900k CPU @ 5.1 GHz | Gigabyte 4090 OC | 64 GB Corsair Vengeance 3200 MHz CL16 | Corsair H150i Pro Cooler |Virpil CM3 Stick w/ Alpha Prime Grip 200mm ext| Virpil CM3 Throttle | VPC Rotor TCS Base w/ Alpha-L Grip| Point Control V2|Varjo Aero| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ackattacker Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 10 hours ago, Callsign.Vega said: I really really hate these Crystal controllers. The tracking is the worst I've ever seen in VR and none of the buttons map to games properly. Any suggestions? Any way to get my Index controller and lighthouses to work independently? I believe you will have to wait for the lighthouse faceplate. Might be waiting a long time. Other people have successfully merged inside-out tracked headsets such as Quest 2 with lighthouse controllers using some software workarounds such as Open Space Calibrator , but AFAIK nobody has successfully done it with the Crystal, there are some software conflicts. Ryzen 7800x3d, 64gb, MSI RTX4090 Suprim , Sidewinder FFB with F16 grip, TM Warthog Throttle, MFG crosswind pedals. Pimax Crystal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callsign.Vega Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 I ordered a USB Dongle to try and get my Index controllers working with the Crystal. The Crystal controllers are epically bad. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0B95LRH7Z/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 GPU: RTX 4090 - 3,000 MHz core / 12,000 MHz VRAM. CPU: 7950X3d - 5.2 GHz X3d, 5.8 GHz secondary / MB: ASUS Crosshair X670E Gene / RAM: G.Skill 48GB 6400 MHz SSD: Intel Optane P5800X - 800GB VR: Pimax Crystal CONTROLS: VPC MongoosT-50CM3 Base / VPC Constellation ALPHA Prime Grip / VPC MongoosT-50CM3 Throttle / TM Pendular Rudders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callsign.Vega Posted June 25, 2023 Share Posted June 25, 2023 The clarity on the Crystal is amazing... just trying to curb the stutters in VR which drive me crazy. Any tips? GPU: RTX 4090 - 3,000 MHz core / 12,000 MHz VRAM. CPU: 7950X3d - 5.2 GHz X3d, 5.8 GHz secondary / MB: ASUS Crosshair X670E Gene / RAM: G.Skill 48GB 6400 MHz SSD: Intel Optane P5800X - 800GB VR: Pimax Crystal CONTROLS: VPC MongoosT-50CM3 Base / VPC Constellation ALPHA Prime Grip / VPC MongoosT-50CM3 Throttle / TM Pendular Rudders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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