New gun sounds

[Mike_CK]

Thank you for those new .50cal sounds!! Man…my play in the P-47 had been spotty. Just couldn’t get into a warbird. But after an instant action and hearing those guns…i don’t know…it hooked me. Funny how something so small can do that. But oh boy…do they sound good

[Gunfreak]

Jupp, great sounds. 

 

Edited April 14, 2023 by Gunfreak

[SloppyDog]

New sounds and it seems that ammo effectiveness went up.

[hannibal]

i love the P47 50. cal.

only wish we had a 50 cal doorgun for the huey!!

[Mike_CK]

Looks like the F-86 got the same sounds for it’s .50s. Make sense but still a nice surprise. Always thought the old P-47 gun sounds were to “base-y”….to deep and “thick” sounding. Like a “pum-pum-pum”. Having fired an M-2 multiple times, I can tell you it has more of a “chunk-chunk-chunk” sound mixed with a metallic clanging (the bolt mechanism). Seeing as how -in an airplane traveling at 250kts, you aren’t going to here near as much of the blast noise as you would on the ground, it’s correct (I’m guessing), that the metallic clanging of the bolt would come through the airframe much clearer. Seems to me that the new sounds are more accurate (at least in regards to hearing a hint of the gun mechanisms)

my 2 cents: but it hooked me

Im the only guy in the world who doesn’t like the Mig-19 23mm gun sound (same reason…but no idea how they sound in real life and I’m sure the mechanical sounds the guns make cycling aren’t near what 8 .50cals do)

 

Edited April 14, 2023 by Mike_CK

[OLD CROW]

 

[Gunfreak]

6 hours ago, OLD CROW said:

 

While those are interesting,  I've found that a lot of "info/nuance " from sounds disappear when you capture them with video equipment. While it might capture some of what it sounds like. Unless they got 100 000k of audio recording equipment placed in very specific places, it won't be able to get the real sounds onto the video.

[Art-J]

To each his own. For me new 50s sounds are quite a bit of a disappointment. It's almost as if the devs decided to go more towards hollywood'ish-Il2GB-Warthunder "wow" factor, with excessively clear sounds overwhelming even the engine noise, rather than towards accuracy.

Veteran pilots memoirs mention wing-mounted gun sounds being somewhat muted and felt rather than heard clearly. For the same reason there's no way one should hear any metallic clanging from guns mounted few feet away in wings. Pilots couldn't even hear enemy bullet/shrapnel hits on their wings, let alone bolt action or ammo belts of their own guns. Old DCS samples were much better in this regard. Why "fixing" something which wasn't broken in the first place?

I'd hazard a guess new sounds were sampled from some hand-operated flexible mount / turret and that's why they match @Mike_CK's experiences so well. Thus, they'd be perfect for warbirds in which you had .50s backs literally sticking out in your cockpit ie. Tomahawks or Airacobras. For planes with wing-mounted guns, though? No way.

Ironically, there doesn't seem to be any metallic ka-ching from fuselage-mounted 13 mm guns in German fighters, is there? Even though it would more likely be present here for aforementioned reason. I only tried them for a few seconds each so might be wrong.

Edited April 15, 2023 by Art-J

[motoadve]

4 hours ago, Art-J said:

To each his own. For me new 50s sounds are quite a bit of a disappointment. It's almost as if the devs decided to go more towards hollywood'ish-Il2GB-Warthunder "wow" factor, with excessively clear sounds overwhelming even the engine noise, rather than towards accuracy.

Same feeling I have, I really liked the .50s before, seemed realistic from inside a cockpit and muffled by the engine and wind noise.

This is more Hollywood like, hope DCS don't take that path, to impress the customers with Hollywood like effects.

Only feel this about the .50s, the rest of guns , cannons I am ok with the sound changes.

[Gunfreak]

4 hours ago, Art-J said:

To each his own. For me new 50s sounds are quite a bit of a disappointment. It's almost as if the devs decided to go more towards hollywood'ish-Il2GB-Warthunder "wow" factor, with excessively clear sounds overwhelming even the engine noise, rather than towards accuracy.

Veteran pilots memoirs mention wing-mounted gun sounds being somewhat muted and felt rather than heard clearly. For the same reason there's no way one should hear any metallic clanging from guns mounted few feet away in wings. Pilots couldn't even hear enemy bullet/shrapnel hits on their wings, let alone bolt action or ammo belts of their own guns. Old DCS samples were much better in this regard. Why "fixing" something which wasn't broken in the first place?

I'd hazard a guess new sounds were sampled from some hand-operated flexible mount / turret and that's why they match @Mike_CK's experiences so well. Thus, they'd be perfect for warbirds in which you had .50s backs literally sticking out in your cockpit ie. Tomahawks or Airacobras. For planes with wing-mounted guns, though? No way.

Ironically, there doesn't seem to be any metallic ka-ching from fuselage-mounted 13 mm guns in German fighters, is there? Even though it would more likely be present here for aforementioned reason. I only tried them for a few seconds each so might be wrong.

 

My biggest problem is how they sound from the outside, if you do a F3 flyby and shoot from a distance, the guns sound more or less the same as if you stood on the wing only lower volume. the old outside sounds be it from a spitfire, 109, or P47 etc wound much better, like automatic gunfire actually sounds like from a distance. I agree it's a bit hollywoody, especially the outside sound where it sounds more like a Michael  bay movie than the raw sound it used to have. I also found the spitfire sounds lacking in power.

[13sq*Axe]

Got online after the update last night. Didn't know there were new 50 Cal sounds for the 51. My initial reaction was I didn't like them as well. I thought the previous was great. Let's see if they grow on me. 

[peachmonkey]

To me, the .50 cal sound is impressive. However, there is a trailing "echo" effect that makes it sound like the recording was done in some large underground shooting range bunker, which renders overall sound completely out of place inside the cockpit.

If ED can suppress or roll off the last 150-200ms of the effect it will sound Much better.

Edited April 16, 2023 by peachmonkey

[NineLine]

On 4/16/2023 at 6:13 AM, peachmonkey said:

To me, the .50 cal sound is impressive. However, there is a trailing "echo" effect that makes it sound like the recording was done in some large underground shooting range bunker, which renders overall sound completely out of place inside the cockpit.

If ED can suppress or roll off the last 150-200ms of the effect it will sound Much better.

 

I have asked the sound guy to review this comment and take a look. Thanks. 

[Slippa]

Came to see if this was just something I’d noticed, the ‘echo’. Will wait for an update.

[MADLOU1]

I love the new sounds!  I say keep them!

[Istari6]

Agree!  Love the new .50 cal sounds.  It might be a little less realistic compared to pilot reports, but we forget that they were also feeling the guns through the seat.  The vibration was a key part of the feedback we don't get easily as flight simmers.  I'm fine with bumping up sounds to compensate and give the virtual pilot the kinds of feedback they need.  It's the same with stall turbulence.  A pilot would feel a lot through the stick and seat, we need a little more amplified sound feedback to have the same cues.  

[Mike_CK]

I like the metallic “clanking” at the trail end of the sound. Like I said initially…I’ve never been inside a P-47 when a .50 was fired…but I’ve been around them several times (and fired it). As long as i wasn’t right next to it,  I could hear a distinctive metallic sound of the bolt mechanism. Admittedly,  I had good hearing protection but I have to believe that inside the closed cockpit, with all that wind and engine noise, you would get a lot less bass “blast” noise from the muzzle area and a lot more sound from the bolts cycling in the wings next to you. Those big heavy bolts make a racket when they are being slammed back and forth by the extremely high pressure.  So I like it as is.