Many good things but PLEASE bring back the autohover

[Ian Boys UK]

The new flight model and trim modes are probably good in multicrew but for us single crew players who hop between seats, please bring back the autohover so we can get a HOT3 off the rails in a stable fashion. Also the auto collective. I know it doesn't exist in reality but I'm just one guy trying to do both!

 

Please please!

And please bring back the Autohover Word on the controls display.

Lastly, the turn towards target function often messes up or cancels the pedal trim and starts a bad spin.

Edited June 8, 2023 by Ian Boys UK

[YoYo]

35 minutes ago, Ian Boys UK said:

The new flight model and trim modes are probably good in multicrew but for us single crew players who hop between seats, please bring back the autohover so we can get a HOT3 off the rails in a stable fashion. Also the auto collective. I know it doesn't exist in reality but I'm just one guy trying to do both!

 

Please please!

And please bring back the Autohover Word on the controls display.

Lastly, the turn towards target function often messes up or cancels the pedal trim and starts a bad spin.

 

It doesnt work now? Pls dont joke! How is possible to hover if we havent here someone like "George" or "Petrovich".

Dont joke about no auto hover option for jumping on weapon operator station like HOT3.

Edited June 8, 2023 by YoYo

[Ian Boys UK]

I'm not joking. You basically have to trim it out, first roughly then using the hat switch for fine trim. But that neat hiding behind a building and just poking your sight over the top won't really work now if you're trim all the trim while using the periscope. And I have no springs in my stick so it's really difficult.

On the plus side I got some first periscope kills in the open Sinai desert!

[Eugel]

The keybind for autohover is still there, but it doesn´t seem to work. 

[Chump]

SP always comes in last, unfortunately. I don't know the dev's intent, but I'm guessing that it was more important to push the changes as-is than focus on a minority of user base. I'm not sure the percentage, but look at how SP has been more and more abandoned in favor of MP/PVP in all games currently. I don't think that the dev team specifically said, "F these guys," but that's just how it seems to roll when there is a bottom line. The only caveat might be that PC will get to it, if their PM isn't all up on them about daily Scrums/Kanban and meetings-to-have-meetings so they can get back to work. *fingers crossed* Maybe we'll see auto-hover return in the next patch?

Cheers PC. Thanks for the update, don't get me wrong.

[GrEaSeLiTeNiN]

26 minutes ago, Chump said:

SP always comes in last, unfortunately. I don't know the dev's intent, but I'm guessing that it was more important to push the changes as-is than focus on a minority of user base. I'm not sure the percentage, but look at how SP has been more and more abandoned in favor of MP/PVP in all games currently. 

Based on this Reddit poll, seems the SP base isn't actually that far off in numbers from the MP base granted it's a small sample size 3 years ago. 

[Jenrick]

I'm more inclined to the idea that autohover with the new FM is going to take some new code.  I imagine it will be back.

[YoYo]

6 hours ago, Eugel said:

The keybind for autohover is still there, but it doesn´t seem to work. 

This is very bad news, I hope its a human mistake and it will be solved very soon (quick hotfix )?

How we can operate HOT3 if we have to use general stick and throttle in the same time (btw. I didnt test it yet, but I can imagine this)? I also remind you that in the options you could give auto hover and use the same joystick to control HOT3, how to do it now?. It's simply impossible. I'm surprised that no one caught it during the tests, if it's true that auto hover doesn't work. Everyone focused on testing new features, and no one checked the old ones? Let me remind you that both Apache and Mi-24 have AI (Petrovich and George) that can be given orders. Maybe Gazelle is also supposed to have his "Francois" controlled from commands by user, but until he has it, he just needs to have an autohover activated from the pilot's position. Without it, this module is useless.

@Polychop Simulations any word about this issue? 

[PickleMonster]

Nobody read the patch notes then?

"SA342 Known issues and work in progress

Auto-hover (CVS and ALV modes) are work in progress and may not function reliably yet"

[Danny_P]

57 minutes ago, PickleMonster said:

Nobody read the patch notes then?

"SA342 Known issues and work in progress

Auto-hover (CVS and ALV modes) are work in progress and may not function reliably yet"

[Eugel]

1 hour ago, PickleMonster said:

Nobody read the patch notes then?

"SA342 Known issues and work in progress

Auto-hover (CVS and ALV modes) are work in progress and may not function reliably yet"

Indeed, I just read the new features, got excited and jumped right in.

Thanks for the info.

[Ian Boys UK]

10 hours ago, Chump said:

SP always comes in last, unfortunately. I don't know the dev's intent, but I'm guessing that it was more important to push the changes as-is than focus on a minority of user base. I'm not sure the percentage, but look at how SP has been more and more abandoned in favor of MP/PVP in all games currently. I don't think that the dev team specifically said, "F these guys," but that's just how it seems to roll when there is a bottom line. The only caveat might be that PC will get to it, if their PM isn't all up on them about daily Scrums/Kanban and meetings-to-have-meetings so they can get back to work. *fingers crossed* Maybe we'll see auto-hover return in the next patch?

Cheers PC. Thanks for the update, don't get me wrong.

It isn't an issue about single player but single crew, even on a multiplayer server.

[YoYo]

5 hours ago, PickleMonster said:

Nobody read the patch notes then?

"SA342 Known issues and work in progress

Auto-hover (CVS and ALV modes) are work in progress and may not function reliably yet"

I hope we dont wait for this next 3 years?

[Moxica]

I got it into autohover:
The autohover itself, makes somthing happen, not sure what.. But when as stable as possible, I also hit the "sync-to-sight" thing.. And Voila!
But now I can't control the camera. It seem some of the old keybinds are gone, and I can not find it back, because I have no clue what it is named.
But yeah! I autohovered as long as I wanted.

Edit: I hit the "Auto slave toggle"

Edited June 9, 2023 by Moxica

[Gunfreak]

I haven't tried yet. But that preview video showed the gazelle in hover while he used missiles and also stable forward movment while he was working the minigun.

 

 

[KoN]

Auto hover not working I'll wait for a fix . 

[Harlikwin]

18 hours ago, YoYo said:

This is very bad news, I hope its a human mistake and it will be solved very soon (quick hotfix )?

How we can operate HOT3 if we have to use general stick and throttle in the same time (btw. I didnt test it yet, but I can imagine this)? I also remind you that in the options you could give auto hover and use the same joystick to control HOT3, how to do it now?. It's simply impossible. I'm surprised that no one caught it during the tests, if it's true that auto hover doesn't work. Everyone focused on testing new features, and no one checked the old ones? Let me remind you that both Apache and Mi-24 have AI (Petrovich and George) that can be given orders. Maybe Gazelle is also supposed to have his "Francois" controlled from commands by user, but until he has it, he just needs to have an autohover activated from the pilot's position. Without it, this module is useless.

@Polychop Simulations any word about this issue? 

Its actually pretty easy given the over-powered stabilizer, you can just do run in attacks with it as long as you lock the sight. I very much doubt the stab system was anywhere near this good BTW.

[okopanja]

Kind of a workaround (I am learning to fly this damn thing):

1. stabilize manually in hover
2. engage hover (Q)
3. stabilize again
4. hit Escape to get menu (it appears this places helicopter into hover)
5. leave the stick in neutral position
6. return to game (ESC)

Voilà: redneck hover. (do not attempt to 'E')

Edited June 13, 2023 by okopanja

[YoYo]

On 6/13/2023 at 9:57 AM, okopanja said:

Kind of a workaround (I am learning to fly this damn thing):

1. stabilize manually in hover
2. engage hover (Q)
3. stabilize again
4. hit Escape to get menu (it appears this places helicopter into hover)
5. leave the stick in neutral position
6. return to game (ESC)

Voilà: redneck hover. (do not attempt to 'E')

 

Thx, will check it.

[Thorns]

Auto hover in the Gazelle is a total wrecking ball. Try popping up to kill a tank in Enigma's server...good luck. Taking the A-10 from now on...FIX THE GAZELLE!

[Lace]

Use a collective (or even throttle) with a 2-axis mini stick.  That way you can use the mini-stick for the VIVIANE while maintaining helicopter control.  It is also possible to fire the HOT3 on the move, so you don't actually need to hover.  Run in, pop up, launch, maintain guidance, then break off the attack.  Speed is life.  No need for a second crew member or auto hover.

[MAXsenna]

1 hour ago, Lace said:

Use a collective (or even throttle) with a 2-axis mini stick.  That way you can use the mini-stick for the VIVIANE while maintaining helicopter control.  It is also possible to fire the HOT3 on the move, so you don't actually need to hover.  Run in, pop up, launch, maintain guidance, then break off the attack.  Speed is life.  No need for a second crew member or auto hover.

Or if you have a spare monitor and don't do VR, get Helios and you don't even have to change seats.

If I'm doing the hit'n'run, I don't really touch the collective at all, so I use a second unused joystick to control the "Vivian". Can even do it when hovering during daytime. It's a little more tricky during nights.

Cheers!

Edited September 7, 2023 by MAXsenna

[Mexmarsouin]

Anyway, auto-hover got to be fixed, and not in three years.
Speed is life, but sometimes you need to hover. Of course we can use the mini stick, and Cyclic, and rudder, and collective, and so on, but thats a lot of workload when you try to aim (espacially at a moving target for instance).

Edited December 3, 2023 by Mexmarsouin

[Harlikwin]

On 12/3/2023 at 4:20 AM, Mexmarsouin said:

Anyway, auto-hover got to be fixed, and not in three years.
Speed is life, but sometimes you need to hover. Of course we can use the mini stick, and Cyclic, and rudder, and collective, and so on, but thats a lot of workload when you try to aim (espacially at a moving target for instance).

 

Honestly PC should copy Petro for the gunner at least. This hopping around between seats is a) unrealistic, b) lame to do. 

 

[GomesPT]

They should implement an AI like the AH-64D or Mi-24P Hind, because switching places is not realistic.
There was no need for a very complex AI, just one that could detect targets, select them and fire weapons.