F-15E SEAD Tactics

[drz400dude]

What is everyone doing for taking out enemy SAMs like the SA2 with the current weapons available on the F15E?

[notproplayer3]

I think you should just fly low and pop up at the last moment, then drop your bombs (on the search radar).

The sa 2 is easy to fight as it's minimum engagement range is pretty large if I remember correctly and it doesn't track if you're low.

Edited July 14, 2023 by notproplayer3

[av8orDave]

3 minutes ago, drz400dude said:

What is everyone doing for taking out enemy SAMs like the SA2 with the current weapons available on the F15E?

I flew a single player Liberation mission today to take out an SA-10. I covered my flight with a SEAD flight of F/A-18s armed with TALDs. Other than that, I flew at about 100 ft, at about 6 miles popped up to about 5,000 ft AGL, and dropped CBU-97s (87s would have worked too) in CDIP. Took out the majority of the site.

[MBot]

Optically cued systems (most IR SAMs and non-radar AAA) can't see you at night. So fly at night whenever possible. In DCS, anti-collision lights and strong nav lights will make you visible to AI at night. Formation lights and weak nav lights are ok. Popping flares will also make you visible to AI. Afterburner usage is ok.

Most SHORAD can easily be outranged by lofting bombs.

The slow reacting radar SAMs like SA-2/3/5/6/8 can be defeated by lofting LGBs (including the rather lenghty designation phase). The double-digit SAMs like SA-10/11/15/19 react too fast to keep designating for LGBs. Once some issues with AUTO releases are solved (bombs landing long, pattern not centered on target designation, faulty wind correction of ASL), lofting dumb bombs/CBUs with imediate break-off will offer some limited options against these systems.

 

 

[Holbeach]

I'm lofting 15 MK 82 against SA 10 site, from 200' CCRP, with some success.

Site was disabled.

 

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[skypickle]

How do you target dumb bombs with lofting? Does it require a high altitude pas for tgp tgt acquisition?

[MBot]

These are generally pre-planned targets with known coordinates.

[EnvyC]

You get someone else to fly with you with a F16 or F/A-18

[Holbeach]

SA 10 complex. 15 Mk 82.

Approach at low level. Radar detects but dosn't launch.

Direct Pop Up, roll over and self designate for a CCRP Dive Toss.

Egress at low level.

 

Edited July 14, 2023 by Holbeach

[SloppyDog]

If anyone is interested how it was done in real life, the video below gives an interesting inside look at these things. Of course, the mission at hand was not of a very heavily defended airspace, they made the attack at medium altitude, etc. But the interesting part is that F-15Es work along HARM capable aircraft, like F-16s. What they do in the end is working in coordinate fashion, with the F-16s doing the SEAD part, and in the window between a HARM launch and impact, the Mudhens go in and bomb the site, doing the DEAD part of it.

 

 

[felixx75]

1 hour ago, SloppyDog said:

But the interesting part is that F-15Es work along HARM capable aircraft, like F-16s.

This should not be surprising, since the F-15E cannot carry HARM's or similar.
SEAD missions are usually reserved for others.

[Holbeach]

In the meantime, use what we've got.

The SA 10 Tracker radar is the target. SA 11 provides support, plus numerous short range AA.

12 mk 82 air.

 

 

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Edited July 15, 2023 by Holbeach

[Talvid]

On 7/14/2023 at 5:46 AM, Holbeach said:

I'm lofting 15 MK 82 against SA 10 site, from 200' CCRP, with some success.

Site was disabled.

 

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Reading in between the lines:  because I'm a badass.

[Holbeach]

1 hour ago, Iceman555 said:

Reading in between the lines:  because I'm a badass.

Just answering the Original Question.

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[Talvid]

On 7/15/2023 at 10:36 AM, Holbeach said:

Just answering the Original Question.

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Oh, I know, I was just giving you props.

 

Do you have to use manual mode in A/G Delivery to be able to set loft at 30 degrees?

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I have a good Ballute technique going.  These were my results with a single run in with 2 bombs.  I use Auto release, and pop up at .800 mach, and 0.8 nm, to 250 ft AGL and the release advance is -375ft AT.  I destroyed a SA-2 Track Radar, and an SA15.  

Edited July 17, 2023 by Iceman555

[Holbeach]

@Iceman555

I use CCRP for Toss bombing.

.95 mach. Pull up at 5 nm at 2.5 g for auto release. For clusters a little bit less distance.

For the SA 10 site, target the Track Radar. This will disable the site. I usually protect it with short range sams.

For retarded low level, I do more or less the same as you, except maybe a bit lower.

I made a lot of similar missions and vids for the Harrier 4 years ago.I'm just repeating them with the F-15.

https://forum.dcs.world/topic/198790-dcs-av-8b-harrier-ccrp-dive-toss/

High speed low level. Great fun.

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[kotor633]

Hi@all,

I'm currently reading the following PDF (because I'm still undecided whether I should treat myself to the F-15E or not, but I'm sooo close to it... And it doesn't bother me that it's called the Frankenjet. FAQ_ver_3_-_1_Apr_2023 And here is the following about SEAD:
"Q: Can the SE carry HARM?
A: HELL No!! SEAD was and is not a USAF F-15E mission. Some Export only models can carry the HARM. But not USAF F-15Es."
And I think I heard in some youtube video that it was also the case in RLF that the F-16Cs were sent in first. Only when it was reasonably safe did the F-15Es come.

[SloppyDog]

2 hours ago, kotor633 said:

Hi@all,

I'm currently reading the following PDF (because I'm still undecided whether I should treat myself to the F-15E or not, but I'm sooo close to it... And it doesn't bother me that it's called the Frankenjet. FAQ_ver_3_-_1_Apr_2023 And here is the following about SEAD:
"Q: Can the SE carry HARM?
A: HELL No!! SEAD was and is not a USAF F-15E mission. Some Export only models can carry the HARM. But not USAF F-15Es."
And I think I heard in some youtube video that it was also the case in RLF that the F-16Cs were sent in first. Only when it was reasonably safe did the F-15Es come.

Yep. F-16s do the SEAD part (Supression), F-15Es do the DEAD part (destruction). Team work to ensure the SAM site never returns to active duty again.

[Talvid]

14 hours ago, kotor633 said:

Hi@all,

I'm currently reading the following PDF (because I'm still undecided whether I should treat myself to the F-15E or not, but I'm sooo close to it... And it doesn't bother me that it's called the Frankenjet. FAQ_ver_3_-_1_Apr_2023 And here is the following about SEAD:
"Q: Can the SE carry HARM?
A: HELL No!! SEAD was and is not a USAF F-15E mission. Some Export only models can carry the HARM. But not USAF F-15Es."
And I think I heard in some youtube video that it was also the case in RLF that the F-16Cs were sent in first. Only when it was reasonably safe did the F-15Es come.

The ease of entering information into the avionics,  by use of the UFC and MPD pushbuttons is a delight.   

[Holbeach]

SEAD/DEAD, who needs a rocket, who cares?

Harrier or Eagle, both are capable of dealing with SAM in DCS.

Slice away as SA 11 site launches a missile.

Love these 97's.

 

 

There's a SAM site in there somewhere.

 

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[YoYo]

On 7/14/2023 at 8:38 PM, felixx75 said:

This should not be surprising, since the F-15E cannot carry HARM's or similar.
SEAD missions are usually reserved for others.

Thats true, I didnt see plans for HARM for Razbam’s Mudhen, even didnt see IRL* (*USAF).

Edited August 2, 2023 by YoYo

[Zahnatom]

On 7/19/2023 at 6:46 PM, Holbeach said:

SEAD/DEAD, who needs a rocket, who cares?

Harrier or Eagle, both are capable of dealing with SAM in DCS.

Slice away as SA 11 site launches a missile.

Love these 97's.

 

 

There's a SAM site in there somewhere.

 

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i think you just invented the concept of "Obliteration of Enemy Air Defenses"

[Holbeach]

O.E.A.D.

Haha I like it. .

82's are OK, but you can't beat 97's for an OEAD.

SA10, protected by SA3 and SA11. Plus numerous AAA, obliterated by CBU 97's.

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Edited August 3, 2023 by Holbeach
Added some nice pictures.

[apolloace]

I am waiting for the AGM-130. 

Gonna have some real fun with that. 

[Iron Sights]

I’m really hoping for some smart weapons on the next update. The 130 would be a welcome sight, if we get it.