correct as is IHAADS boresight fail

[DmitriKozlowsky]

IHADSS failes to boresight. 

Screen grab shows alignment prior to B/S button press via grip ENTER. Then obvious failed boresight result.

Link to YT video showing boresignt alignment procedure.

This is a fail.
IMHO on developer's end.

[razo+r]

You need to also align your crossair with the dot in the middle.

It's a fail, but on your end.

[DmitriKozlowsky]

You need to also align your crossair with the dot in the middle.

 

What? There is no way to line that up. No matter how I move my head. The instruction does not show that.

 

  

[razo+r]

14 minutes ago, DmitriKozlowsky said:

You need to also align your crossair with the dot in the middle.

 

What? There is no way to line that up. No matter how I move my head. The instruction does not show that.

 

  

Yes there is. You can even see him moving his crosshair over the dot in the middle while having the rings more or less correctly aligned.

Edited September 3, 2023 by razo+r

[DmitriKozlowsky]

Well thats a pickle. No matter how I move my POV, I am unable to get that sightpicture. Is this something only possible with VR or headtracker?

Unless I I gure this out, I can never really fly DCS AH-64D. I have VR sets! I am not getting one. EVER! Unless absolutely forced to, even then I won't do it.

[Sacarino111]

1 minute ago, DmitriKozlowsky said:

Well thats a pickle. No matter how I move my POV, I am unable to get that sightpicture. Is this something only possible with VR or headtracker?

Unless I I gure this out, I can never really fly DCS AH-64D. I have VR sets! I am not getting one. EVER! Unless absolutely forced to, even then I won't do it.

Try lowering or rising the seat (RCTRl + NUMPAD 0 or RCTRL+NUMPAD 8 from the top of my head) and align the dot andthe cross then hit enter. I have to do so to properly align the BS, even usin TrackIr. I my case I hace to lower the seat...

Saludos.

Saca111

[DmitriKozlowsky]

OK. Thanlk you.  Will try the seat. Except there are no seat adjust controls. Only view adjust controls. Which don't get me the sight picture shown.

Right Control + NumPad is for preset views  

Type in 'seat' in AH-64D Pilot controls and there are two options "Occupy CP/G Seat'" or "Occupy Pilot Seat"

Are the seat adjust controls called something else?

Edited September 3, 2023 by DmitriKozlowsky

[DmitriKozlowsky]

OK I dunno!

The boresignt procedure is blinkin useless. I don't have VR, I don't have TrackIR. Just mouse and flat panel. Its aint working. Worse the above 'seat control adjustments' do not appear in Controls

[razo+r]

30 minutes ago, DmitriKozlowsky said:

OK I dunno!

The boresignt procedure is blinkin useless. I don't have VR, I don't have TrackIR. Just mouse and flat panel. Its aint working. Worse the above 'seat control adjustments' do not appear in Controls

RCtrl+RShift+Num8 or Num2 should move the view down, if it doesn't, check your controls.

You can boresight even without VR and TrackIR

[DmitriKozlowsky]

No good so far.

 

Won't align! How close does it have to be. The closest I get, is a HUMVEE at 100 meters that is off by 1 to 1 & 1/2 HUMVEEs.  C-17 at 200 meters is off by 1/3 to 1/2 fuselage.

Edited September 3, 2023 by DmitriKozlowsky

[razo+r]

The closer you align the better it gets.

Besides, There is still some paralax expected as you sit some distance behind the optics. It should however still be quite accurate nonetheless.

So again, make sure you boresight it correctly. Move your head down, make sure the circles are nicely in the center and then put your crosshair over the dot in the middle just like you see in the tutorials.

If it still does not work, it's time for you to supply a track.

[jef32]

Hi

 

I've just bought the Apache yesterday and in VR, alignment is totally impossible. Hope ED will implant an auto-alignment.

[Floyd1212]

4 hours ago, DmitriKozlowsky said:

OK. Thanlk you.  Will try the seat. Except there are no seat adjust controls. Only view adjust controls. Which don't get me the sight picture shown.

Right Control + NumPad is for preset views  

Type in 'seat' in AH-64D Pilot controls and there are two options "Occupy CP/G Seat'" or "Occupy Pilot Seat"

Are the seat adjust controls called something else?

You are looking for camera controls.  You want to translate the camera position up/down/left/right along with changing the angle of the camera up/down/left/right.

As others have already said, these are the controls for translating the camera position:

After playing around with it for 15 seconds, I was able to position the HMD correctly for boresighting with just keyboard presses.  It is possible, though not very convenient

. 

To make this process even easier in the future, get everything lined up properly and save that camera position as a Snap View.  From that point forward, you can simply recall the saved snap view and the camera will snap into the correct alignment for boresighting.  You can follow these instructions I posted in another thread for saving the Snap View.

I would highly recommend purchasing some sort of head tracking hardware to make your life in the Apache more rewarding and enjoyable.  Yes it is possible to fly the Apache without head tracking, but it makes the whole experience exponentially better.

[razo+r]

5 hours ago, jef32 said:

Hi

 

I've just bought the Apache yesterday and in VR, alignment is totally impossible. Hope ED will implant an auto-alignment.

Well you have to provide a bit more than "totally impossible". Other peopple in VR seem to be aligning it just fine.

Edited September 3, 2023 by razo+r

[corbu1]

vor 5 Stunden schrieb jef32:

Hi

 

I've just bought the Apache yesterday and in VR, alignment is totally impossible. Hope ED will implant an auto-alignment.

Alignment in VR is totally possible. I‘m only flying the Apache in VR and can do the boresighting process within seconds.

Can you be a bit more specific about your problems?

[jef32]

3 hours ago, corbu1 said:

Alignment in VR is totally possible. I‘m only flying the Apache in VR and can do the boresighting process within seconds.

Can you be a bit more specific about your problems?

Hi. When I push the center view button for VR, I have the green crosshair far from the little lens with yellow concentric circles. And when I move my head to put the crosshair on the lens, the yellow circles are going outside the lens. I've tried several position to calibrate my center view. Sometimes it's better and I have the green crosshair near the lens but not enough near to have the yellow circles staying centered in it.

Edited September 3, 2023 by jef32

[DmitriKozlowsky]

Sorry. I already discovered nudge view controls . They don't do the job. I'm not getting TrackIR. I  am not getting VR. If I can't get good boresight alignment with just mouse and numpad then I 'll have to live with handicap. Hoping that ED will fix it , someday. But not holding my breath. 

So right now boresight ain't aligning and that's that. 

[Floyd1212]

45 minutes ago, DmitriKozlowsky said:

Sorry. I already discovered nudge view controls . They don't do the job.

It doesn’t sound like you are doing it correctly then.

But if you want to fly without boresighting, I’m fine with that, too. Everyone here is just trying to help.

[admiki]

7 hours ago, jef32 said:

Hi. When I push the center view button for VR, I have the green crosshair far from the little lens with yellow concentric circles. And when I move my head to put the crosshair on the lens, the yellow circles are going outside the lens. I've tried several position to calibrate my center view. Sometimes it's better and I have the green crosshair near the lens but not enough near to have the yellow circles staying centered in it.

 

You need to translate and rotate your head at the same time. If you look at lens and circles move right, you need to keep looking at it while leaning to the left until circles are back in center.

Do a VR recenter, boresight (while contorting yourself to do it) and then go back to your normal sitting position. System is capable of following your head throughout cockpit.

 

[corbu1]

Yes, that‘s how I do it as well.

I guess you have mapped MPD cursor enter to one of your Hotas Buttons which makes the process easier .

Then the alignment I do it as followed in VR:

1. as soon as I‘m in the cockpit, I do a VR recenter.

2. starting AH-64 systems as desired.

3. turn on Intr LT Primary on left side panel.

3. Going to IHADSS Boresight on WPN page.

4. make sure MPD cursor is placed on B/S now on MPD

5. center position LOS reticle over BRU bullseye pattern ( keep the rings and dot centered). For achieving both at once, move your head up/ down and left/ right. Also maybe you need to rotate your head.

6. press MPD cursor enter button on your Hotas.

That‘s it! After the alignment you can freely move your head and position to a comfort seat position.

Yes, it needs a bit practice, but once you got it, it works fine. I do the boresighting within 5 seconds in VR.

 

[Lord Vader]

11 hours ago, DmitriKozlowsky said:

Sorry. I already discovered nudge view controls . They don't do the job. I'm not getting TrackIR. I  am not getting VR. If I can't get good boresight alignment with just mouse and numpad then I 'll have to live with handicap. Hoping that ED will fix it , someday. But not holding my breath. 

So right now boresight ain't aligning and that's that. 

Hi, @DmitriKozlowsky

I don't think you truly need to buy Track IR or a VR headset. It is, however, recommended if you are using a system like the Helmet Mounted Display, since it requires a head movement in the real aircraft to provide proper tracking. In fact, this is how the AH-64 helicopter was designed and the reason it doesn't have a traditional HUD.

But, like others here have suggested, you can align the IHADSS boresight using the camera translation movement. So it is possible to correctly line up the sight for the HMD without a headtracking device. So, there isn't really anything to correct, you just need to align your point of view and the sight itself, in your case using the key @Floyd1212suggested. 

[bradmick]

To be honest, it’s my least favorite feature. If ever there were a special option that needed to be added, it’s “don’t require IHADSS boresight during cold start”. It should honestly be an optional user preference item. Or at a minimum the default position of the pilots head should be at the design eye position so no adjustment by the player should be required. Yes, it’s a thing in the real helicopter, and yes I even have track ir, but its genuinely annoying in game vs the real helicopter.

[DmitriKozlowsky]

Here is a track. Shows boresight alignment as I do it. This is as good as I can get it on my rig. This boresignt gives me, as stated before, a HUMVEE at 100 meters that is off by 1/2 to 1 HUMVEEs . At 200 meters, a C-17 is off by 1/2 to 3/4 fuselage. From 1000 meters, a ground vehicle IR overlay may appear on top, but in fact it is off when firing guns or rockets.

The training mission includes deck landing , underway, on windy day, on OakHill LPD. So the LPD mod is needed.

AH_64D_deckLanding_trn.trk

[NeedzWD40]

21 minutes ago, DmitriKozlowsky said:

This is as good as I can get it on my rig.

HMD boresight with only keyboard and no head tracking/or VR:

AH-64D HMD BS.trk

Keybinds used: numpad arrow keys, RCTRL + RSHIFT + numpad arrow keys

Some parallax will result due to positional differences from PNVS being in the nose and viewpoint being in the rear seat.

[Floyd1212]

Nice.  I don't think I have ever seen a more perfect borsesight performed.  That even looks easier than me trying to do it with my TrackIR.

Dmitri, these are the keys you need to use to translate the camera; it has nothing to do with "nudging" anything.