pepin1234 Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 It's hard for people believe this aircraft can beat F-16 and Mig-29 in less than 1 min. Here is a track that confirm such a overpower turn rate. I set the skill to Ace but still... I'm talking about the aircraft. F-1 on steroid.trk [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razo+r Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 The AI is known to disregard physics and thus shall NOT be taken as a benchmark for the aircrafts performance. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcon_120 Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 Maybe a tacview&track test showing the turn rate achieved would be a good point to identify odd behaviors.Enviado desde mi ELE-L29 mediante Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuiGon Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 3 hours ago, pepin1234 said: It's hard for people believe this aircraft can beat F-16 and Mig-29 in less than 1 min. Here is a track that confirm such a overpower turn rate. I set the skill to Ace but still... I'm talking about the aircraft. F-1 on steroid.trk 99.87 kB · 0 downloads What skill level did you set for the F-16 and MiG-29? 1 Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tango3B Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, pepin1234 said: It's hard for people believe this aircraft can beat F-16 and Mig-29 in less than 1 min. Here is a track that confirm such a overpower turn rate. I set the skill to Ace but still... I'm talking about the aircraft. F-1 on steroid.trk 99.87 kB · 1 download Congratulations, you just wittnessed the AI in its full glory. By the way, go try against a MiG-21 at the same skill level. It will 2-circle rate you at 8.5G and 480kts without ever losing speed. Any questions? Right… So Pepin, you are around the forums long enough to know such stuff. It is definitely not an OP F1 on steroids but definitely an AI problem. The F1 FM is just fine and any (human!) self-respecting DCS F-16 or MiG-29 pilot will eat the F1 alive in ACM. Any day. Period. To wrap this up here is a final question from me because you were not clear on this. Do you even own the F1? Did you even fly it? If so and you have any doubts about what I just said I suggest you join a very well known dogfight server, hop in a F1 and go enjoy the experience against human pilots. Then come back here and tell me if you still think the F1 is OP. Thank you. Edited September 25, 2023 by Tango3B 10 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pepin1234 Posted September 25, 2023 Author Share Posted September 25, 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, QuiGon said: What skill level did you set for the F-16 and MiG-29? Both ACE skill. below the track and the .miz by the way with human pilots is quite overpower too. F-1 on steroid.trk F-1 on steroid.miz Edited September 25, 2023 by pepin1234 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bones1014 Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 Ace level AI fly where ever they way however fast they want. I've flown the 16 against Ace Mig21's and always lose in a vertical fight because they're using a Saturn V engine apparently. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pepin1234 Posted September 25, 2023 Author Share Posted September 25, 2023 17 minutes ago, bones1014 said: Ace level AI fly where ever they way however fast they want. I've flown the 16 against Ace Mig21's and always lose in a vertical fight because they're using a Saturn V engine apparently. Good point. The thing is ED F-16 AI have a particular skill been a 4th Gen fighter. Then what we should expect for next incoming modules about older Era? also I’m talking about this F-1 and I did the test F-1 vs Mig-21 and the F-1 overpass the 21 in all aspect. Missing only in missile performance. AI behavior is really important because most of the people face AI in single player mode and campaigns. done dogfight against this turning rate behave in a modern fighter could be an extreme challenge. Latest missiles versions apart… [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaguara5 Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 (edited) AI is junk. Btw, i've seen that, for the F1 specific, the AI pulls more AoA as the skill level increases. If you select ROOKIE . the AI flies up to the ''normal'' AoA limit of 17 degr. and the flying performa nce is somewhat more believable. TRAINED AI flies iirc with 19 AoA etc, above that you will see some UFO - ballerina style movements. Edited September 25, 2023 by jaguara5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munckmb Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 AI behavior is ED's work. Not a 3rd party responsibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted September 27, 2023 ED Team Share Posted September 27, 2023 Folks keep the discussion civil. AI is not a third party issue, we are already working on the new GFM for AI so you need to be patient. thank you 7 2 Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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