One more "Building a new PC" - RTX 4070 and 2K

[Nazgûl]

Hey guys. Another topic about "building a new PC".

My question is whether the VGA I'm choosing will work for what I want.
My intention is to play at 2K and the setup I'm building is this:

- i7 12700K
- Gigabyte B660M Aorus PRO
- 64GB (2x32GB) Kingston Fury Beast, 3200MHz, DDR4, CL16
- SSD 2 TB Kingston Fury Renegade, M.2 2280 PCIe, NVMe, 7300 / 7000
- Screen Asus TUF 31.5 LED 2K QHD, Curved, 144Hz, 1ms, VG32VQ with TIR 5

Most of the time I play multiplayer.
Now the question: will an RTX 4070 Asus OC Edition NVIDIA GeForce, 12 GB GDDR6X, be able to run at 2K on a 31.5" screen with more than 60fps in multiplayer?

Thank you for the patience. Seeya!

Edited October 18, 2023 by Nazgûl

[Keith Briscoe]

Following this one

[Jeb]

i wiuld think so since I see 40FPS and sometimes higher. running the 2070s

[Mr_sukebe]

I’ve seen rumours suggesting that the Nvidia 5x GPUs “might” come out soon.  Probably worth checking that some more before splashing the cash.

[SharpeXB]

23 hours ago, Nazgûl said:

will an RTX 4070 Asus OC Edition NVIDIA GeForce, 12 GB GDDR6X, be able to run at 2K on a 31.5" screen with more than 60fps in multiplayer?

I think most of the load in mp is CPU related. So the GPU you’re using won’t matter. 

[Nazgûl]

Ahan. Today I saw a video of a guy who showed this, about a year ago. He tests with an RTX 4090. 

My concern is going from an old i5 and a 1070 ti, running close to 60fps at 1080p, with the appropriate graphics adjustments, to a current i7, a 4070 running at 1440p, and having the same performance. I will only have a few improvements in the image and a larger screen.
I also have the option of getting a Full HD ultrawide monitor, if it gives me better performance. But it's like you said. Most of the time, the boss in multiplayer is the CPU and not the GPU.

[Nazgûl]

19 hours ago, Mr_sukebe said:

I’ve seen rumours suggesting that the Nvidia 5x GPUs “might” come out soon.  Probably worth checking that some more before splashing the cash.

I intend to take advantage of BlackFriday. If 5x gpu coming soon, ok. But even so, they probably will come at a high price, like the 4x series did.

Edited October 19, 2023 by Nazgûl

[Nazgûl]

I found a 3080 Ti, used for 9 months in mining, 5% cheaper than a new 4070.

Is it a good option?... mining?! 

[LucShep]

14 hours ago, Nazgûl said:

I found a 3080 Ti, used for 9 months in mining, 5% cheaper than a new 4070.

Is it a good option?... mining?! 

Buying new is, of course, much more expensive, but you get the peace of mind with the "brand spanking new" hardware with (full) warranty. 
Notice, RTX3080Ti is at least 15% faster than RTX4070, but it also consumes a LOT more wattage (~360W vs ~205W) and runs much hotter (undervolting always a good idea).

That said, that RTX3080ti could be an interesting purchase if price is further negotiated, I'd say.
Enquire if any voltage adjust / undervolting was done on that 3080Ti, and if pads or thermal paste was changed.

Some miners are very careful with their GPUs and, although making them work 24/7, they often use lower clock profiles with far lower voltage (for lower temps and less wear) and place them on cold air A.C. rooms. Some even change the thermal paste on chip and pads on memory+VRMs (better quality than factory).

However, mining 24/7 is a very harsh life on a GPU... if the response was "no undervolting done", that GPU suffered more in 9 months than it would in 3 years by your hands...
 

Edited October 20, 2023 by LucShep

[kksnowbear]

Miners typically run undervoltages, yes...but I did want to specify a reason:  I think the real/biggest reason they lower voltages, run custom VBIOS etc, isn't because of wear or heat (at least not directly).

Mining can generate income, but how much depends on the electricity you use.  Just like any business, your margin is affected by cost.  So the idea for the miner is to do the greatest number of transactions while using the least power.  And yes, indirectly this also means less heat (and less AC).  Usually, this is why they lower voltages etc, for maximum efficiency as opposed to heat or wear.

Just thought it was worth making the distinction.

Of course, all things considered - and even though I deal with a *lot* of used hardware - I don't buy anything that I even remotely suspect has been mined on (with a very few and very specific exceptions which I won't go into here).  This isn't as easy as it might sound, unless the source(s) are absolutely trustworthy.  That's why it's worth it to deal with someone you can trust, even if it costs a little more.

HTH

Edited January 19 by kksnowbear

[BitMaster]

I also tend to say NO to GPU's that have mined for a longer period of time where you don't know the conditions, which make all the difference from 1st hand experience.

My 1080ti has mined about half of it's cost back when I got it, that was part of the plan and it worked out. Even if the card dies today it lasted long enough to justify the mining.

But I have seen cards that died in half the time which also where used for mining for about as long as mine ( 4-6 months ). The difference was cooling, undervolting and underclocking

as pointed out above. But still then, our consumer AIB's are not designed for 24/7 full tilt usage, a Nvidia Workstation or Ai AIB is designed for 24/7 non stop torturing. 

It's always a risc if you stress consumer hardware beyond it's design limits. Choose your hardware wisely.

Edited October 21, 2023 by BitMaster

[Nazgûl]

I need one more suggestion.

What do you prefer: running on a monitor of:

27"

32"

34" (UW)

...all in 1440p.

I ask because I hear about and I also saw videos saying that for a 32" monitor it would be better to run in 4k.
As I intend to get an RTX 4070, I prefer to keep 2K.
Today I was thinking about UWQHD 34", but its number of pixels is almost the same as 4K. It would be too much weight for the 4070.
From the research I've done, most people say that if it's to run in 2K, the best option would be a 27" monitor. However, I still want a 32" monitor in order to fill out the field of vision and increase immersion, and 2K being "lighter" to run than 34" UW, which has more pixels.

ps: now I have a 24" FHD.

Thanks felas!

Edited October 29, 2023 by Nazgûl

[SharpeXB]

1 hour ago, Nazgûl said:

I need one more suggestion.

What do you prefer: running on a monitor of:

27"

32"

34" (UW)

...all in 1440p.

I ask because I hear about and I also saw videos saying that for a 32" monitor it would be better to run in 4k.
As I intend to get an RTX 4070, I prefer to keep 2K.
Today I was thinking about UWQHD 34", but its number of pixels is almost the same as 4K. It would be too much weight for the 4070.
From the research I've done, most people say that if it's to run in 2K, the best option would be a 27" monitor. However, I still want a 32" monitor in order to fill out the field of vision and increase immersion, and 2K being "lighter" to run than 34" UW, which has more pixels.

ps: now I have a 24" FHD.

Thanks felas!

 

I don’t think 32” is too big for 1440x2560. Bigger is better. The trouble with ultrawide is that the vertical size is smaller than 16:9 unless it’s very large. I prefer the height of 16:9 vs making the screen wider. 

Edited October 29, 2023 by SharpeXB

[The_Nephilim]

Any reason you chose this motherboard:  - Gigabyte B660M Aorus PRO, I am not exaclty sure but is this good for overclocking since you are going to get a K model CPU??

[Nazgûl]

I chose the B660m because the z690 is 40% more expensive, for example, and I would be paying for some things that I wouldn't use.

The 12700K processor is on sale, with the same price as the 12700.

Edited October 30, 2023 by Nazgûl

[Nazgûl]

Updating the topic, in order to help other interested parties, I purchased a 4070 Ti (PNY XLR8) and an ASUS Tuf 31.5 inch VG32VQ1B, QHD monitor.

I'm currently using the new monitor, but the VGA hasn't arrived yet. When everything is installed, I will post some information and results of this upgrade. Many here in the community use VR or 4k, but the forum lacks information about 2k and monitors.

So in the next few days I will do tests and then return with the information.

Seeya!

[Art-J]

32" 1440p 60Hz monitor here. You will enjoy DCS very much on that size for sure and decision of not going for 27" was the right one.

I wouldn't worry much about performance either. If I can maintain 60fps with mostly high'ish settings all around on my old i7 9700k and RTX3070 in singleplayer, I guess you should have enough performance margin for multiplayer with that more capable CPU and 4070Ti.

[Nazgûl]

Size difference between 1080p and 1440p and 23 e 32 inches.

Edited December 1, 2023 by Nazgûl

[AddyRazz]

Looks awesome, are you please with the performance etc with everything? I have everything in 2k I have 32 inch Gigabyte M32Q and DCS looks great and runs great on 3080ti

Edited December 1, 2023 by AddyRazz

[Nazgûl]

Hi dude!

I haven't picked up the 4070 Ti yet. I'm doing tests at 1440p with my old warrior 1070 Ti. I'm even surprised. Most of the time it has maintained 60 fps (I locked it at 60 with vsync). The worst fps I got were with the AH-64 in dense regions (40 fps). With the F-16 I also got close to 40 fps with the TGP on and dense vegetation. With the F-18 I also had around 40 fps while in the supercarrier and in the rain. I have done all the tests in multiplauer (GS, 4YA and DDCS). But in general it has maintained 80, 90% of the time with a solid 60 fps.

Edited December 9, 2023 by Nazgûl

[AddyRazz]

That looks great, if it is running like that on your old card then the new one will be perfect! 

[Scott-S6]

On 10/18/2023 at 3:55 PM, Mr_sukebe said:

I’ve seen rumours suggesting that the Nvidia 5x GPUs “might” come out soon.  Probably worth checking that some more before splashing the cash.

We're getting new 4000s in Jan so that doesn't seem very likely.

[AddyRazz]

1 hour ago, Scott-S6 said:

We're getting new 4000s in Jan so that doesn't seem very likely.

I agree I think the 4ks will be here for a while

[Nazgûl]

4070 Ti  vs  1070 Ti

Edited December 2, 2023 by Nazgûl

[Nazgûl]

Now, some images in single player, running with the same configuration when I tested the 1070 Ti, now with vsync locked at 120 Hz, DLSS quality, and the 4070 Ti. Solids 120 fps.

Beirut...

anti-aliasing transparency
supersample 2x

 

...other images, now with everything turned on at maximum, with MSAA 4x, with the 4070 Ti, and 60 Hz locked. All time 60 fps.

Beirut again...

 

...temp, clocks, etc. Air conditioning set at 24ºC.

 

The 4070 Ti arrived today   . In the future I will do some more tests for anyone who wants, especially in multiplayer. If I have patience maybe I'll make a video too kkkkkkk

Thanks to the people who helped me and gave their opinion on which hardware to choose   

Edited December 9, 2023 by Nazgûl