reported New B-52 Pilot model geometry issue

[razo+r]

And we have another one

[Flappie]

It spreads fast!

Reported. Thanks for the heads up.

[gulredrel]

13 hours ago, Flappie said:

It spreads fast!

Zombie apocalypse...  Nearing Halloween, so this is a feature 

Edited October 20, 2023 by gulredrel

[Aqil Huseynov]

18 hours ago, Flappie said:

It spreads fast!

Reported. Thanks for the heads up.

Additionally, edm files are hidden. and textures are just low. I hope these will be fixed.

[ACS_Dev]

I do not condone the attitude of the first poster, however I think this is an interesting development in the discussion that warrants sharing here.
This was from the DCS discord in general chat.

Edited October 20, 2023 by ACS_Dev

[Vakarian]

What development? Few guys on discord decided for themselves that ED will lock the files behind a paywall just because they changed the format??? 

Even UFO conspiracy theories have a bit more backing than this. 

[ACS_Dev]

On 10/20/2023 at 4:41 PM, Vakarian said:

What development? Few guys on discord decided for themselves that ED will lock the files behind a paywall just because they changed the format??? 

Even UFO conspiracy theories have a bit more backing than this. 

They changed the format, I have seen it said because people were stealing their models. This is understandable.

They have advertised these 3D models for a very long time, all the time obviously better then the ones they deliver. Very nice, last part less so, still explainable.

They gave us the wrong versions of all 3 of the highlighted upgrades, delivering worse versions and somehow did not catch this despite testing the update for weeks. This is a bit suspicious.

Nineline and everyone else in the channel refuse to simply say 'it's a bug'. Instead insist that there is more information coming later. Are they not at liberty to say if things are a bug?

It is not in the Known issues list:

Despite being reported no less than 4 times in the object bugs section alone, 5 times if you count this post,

At least 2 of which times where reported back to ED, roughly a full day prior to the known issues list being published.

Finally, there is only one livery available and every texture within it is prefixed with 'low'.

I wish I could be as casually dismissive as you are and I would be glad to be proven an idiot in this case. I don't like to speculate about ED and I don't like to hate on them either. I have more reason than most to hope for the best from ED as well as their continued success. At the same time this is hard to be dismissive about. They have quietly delivered models noticeably worse than what they have been advertising since at least the beginning of this year, models that are below the standards of what they were putting out at least 2 years ago.

We know that the models aren't the same, and now I have shown you all of this. Take it as you will.

Edited October 22, 2023 by ACS_Dev

[Hammer1-1]

The new models are on slightly lower than par with the C-130H, Il76, and the MPRS tankers. You can actually count the polygons on the landing gear, I was expecting a decent model on par with the newer models like the Tu-22M3 model. Certainly looks a hell of a lot better than the older models, but not sure what to think about this. Come to think of it, I recall there being a new Foxbat or Foxhound. What happened to it?

Edited October 21, 2023 by Hammer1-1

[Stackup]

4 hours ago, ACS_Dev said:

Finally, there is only one livery available and every texture within it is prefixed with 'low'.

In addition to this, editing those files does nothing to the in-game model and without ModelViewer we can't get a baseline description.lua so this also prevents making custom liveries for any of the new models.

[Awacs_bandog]

its semi fascinating they're still using the FC3 Pilot textures, but the model looks far inferior to the FC3 pilots.

[Citizen]

I don't mind low quality pilots.  Polygons add up, after all.

I could understand blocking livery making if the models were the ones shown in teasers, but these - particularly the B1 - look like they're LOD models.  Surely there's nothing sensitive about letting people make liveries for that?

[Citizen]

9 hours ago, ACS_Dev said:

There is if you plan on making people pay for the ability to make high-res liveries.

if the plan is to put ultra-high-definition models behind a paywall, i'd be willing to buy that
if the plan is to force livery makers spend money on top of their own time and effort to improve DCS, I'd rather burn the money in a stove.

[Dr Zaius]

Honesty is the best policy when dealing with punters, locking threads and calling the issue resolved without any meaningful engagment just stinks the place up - I can only imagine how this made the people out there who were genuinely trying to help out with what they thought was a LOD issue / bug feel.

Without putting too fine a point on it this whole thing runs a close 2^nd to the Hawk debacle which still saddens me to this day - I adore what ED and DCS have done for the combat sim world but treating the community this way simply doesn't fly.