fixed Latest Oculus v63 PTC build crashing DCS when used on Oculus Link

[YoYo]

27 minutes ago, ejaimes said:

I have 3 weeks+ with this error, I don't believe that my commentary can hurt the susceptibilities of anyone more than me itself... I don't care if I have to blame ED or Meta... I just want to play my game as I do since 4 years ago... I'm very familiarized with subsequentially erros in DCS... but I can't remember other like this one, and I don't have any more my track IR... so as many people here I'm really offset with this situation and the ease way to sound "I have to WAIT ONO WEEK MORE..."

 

This is all or nothing politics so we have to wait. It's worse if something happens again. ;).

[Tweety777]

Well, I hoped the update would by here today, but I'd rather wait a few more days for a properly working update (even though the work around I found is giving mixed results, I now have a HUD but I need to restart a couple of times before it actually works) then having an update that also gives me problems. I'm thankful ED takes the time needed to come up with a really working solution even at the cost of disappointing all of us.

[Pkdos]

 

hace 2 horas, Qcumber dijo:

That statement is not entirely correct although I agree with your sentiment. The following is not aimed at you.

Meta did not break DCS for everyone. There are some people who have not been affected and are running v63 and even v64 fine. Yes, there appears to be a lot of people affected but we don't know how many. At best guess, from this forum, maybe 50-70. 

I understand that a lot of people are upset but there are also lots of people who don't use this forum and might be very happily using their meta headsets after updates without realizing some people are affected. We just do not have that data. I don't know how many people use meta headsets but I think it is a lot more than a 70. Would 500 be a good guess? How many people play DCS in VR or 2d?

If the meta update has affected a "relatively" small number of people (compared to all DCS users) then it needs to be tested carefully otherwise the fix could have a big impact on all users.  

How many DCS and META users do not use the forum and have the same problem? I personally know three who are waiting for a solution based on instructions I have given them (after not knowing what the problem was and wasting hours reinstalling programs and doing tests). If, as it says in this forum, about 60 have demonstrated? Well, at 3 each, just like me, there are already 240 affected. Add those who do not enter the forum or discords and are still thinking about the problem and those who use the Quest for more gaming and have not worried much.

[Grodin]

Virtual Desktop works fine so if you are itching to fly thats a solution, pretty good one actually, thats all i use anymore with q3.

[Qcumber]

15 minutes ago, Pkdos said:

 

How many DCS and META users do not use the forum and have the same problem? I personally know three who are waiting for a solution based on instructions I have given them (after not knowing what the problem was and wasting hours reinstalling programs and doing tests). If, as it says in this forum, about 60 have demonstrated? Well, at 3 each, just like me, there are already 240 affected. Add those who do not enter the forum or discords and are still thinking about the problem and those who use the Quest for more gaming and have not worried much.

You might be right but we don't have the data.There are people who are affected by the issue and those that are not. I would like to see hard numbers and facts. Until we have that it is just speculation. 

11 minutes ago, Grodin said:

Virtual Desktop works fine so if you are itching to fly thats a solution, pretty good one actually, thats all i use anymore with q3.

Yes. VD is very good. The only real advantage of oculus is ASW. it's a lot better than VD SSW. 

[freehand]

VR users are still a small part of dcs.

Edited April 3, 2024 by freehand

[slughead]

1 hour ago, YoYo said:

This is all or nothing politics so we have to wait. It's worse if something happens again. ;).

That's something we agree on.

[Shibiswag]

3 hours ago, Mike_CK said:

The workarounds don’t work for everyone. Second, I don’t care whose “fault” it is; according to Meta, it’s ED’s issue to fix and ED does has a fix for it. So yeah, for those of us that can’t use the workarounds, we don’t play and that’s frustrating when it’s been weeks.

im sure ED and BigNewy understand why we are frustrated…we aren’t hurting their feelings or something. It’s a legit gripe and -as long as it’s civil- there’s nothing wrong with people voicing their displeasure at something on the forums. If you don’t want to hear it, don’t read the thread 

You can play in 2D, nothing is stopping you from playing it.
Get your webcam and use opentrack with aitrack.
The notion that you are saying "You can't play" is just ridicules.
You are choosing not to play.
Yeah, you can raise your concerns and gripe about it and keep it civil.
Though you shouldn't be ranting that you can't play at all. 
I know for me it's hard for most to go back to 2D from VR, though you should be more realistic rather than acting like the entire game is broken.
So, if you are openly choosing not to play, stop complaining about a fix not being ready yet.
It's been announced, yeah they had to push it back 1 more week.
At least we know it's coming, there initial release date was going to be from the way it sounded close to the end of the month.
So be grateful that they are pushing it out sooner than expected.

Edited April 3, 2024 by Shibiswag

[flybull]

Is this a joke!?

 

Told to wait for fix…

Waited to be told when that would be.

Waited until then

Then told to wait some more.

 

Not a happy customer.  

 

workarounds do not work for me.

 

I didn’t pay to play in 2d.

[Shibiswag]

36 minutes ago, flybull said:

Is this a joke!?

 

Told to wait for fix…

Waited to be told when that would be.

Waited until then

Then told to wait some more.

 

Not a happy customer.  

 

workarounds do not work for me.

 

I didn’t pay to play in 2d.

Complaining about it isn't going to make them release it any sooner. 
Do you know anything about coding? If not, then just wait.
It's like when people buy an Early access game and then complain that not everything works.
God what's one more week?

[Terry Dactil]

+1

Add me to the count of people who are pi**ed off with this problem.

I am pi**ed off because:

1. I spent several days trying to find the problem on my computer. ED couldn't be bothered  to let us know that they knew all about it and were working on a fix.
2. Mega caused the problem with their update that had no provision to be rolled back if it caused a problem.

I am not complaining as I can take action that will fix the problem for me and prevent it happening again.

I have been happily using the Rift-S headset for years but been thinking lately that it was well past time for an upgrade.

Since there is now another 7 days delay (or maybe more!) and this is more than the delivery time for a new VR headset it is ...

Goodbye Mega and Hello Pimax !  

 

[Mike_CK]

42 minutes ago, Shibiswag said:

Complaining about it isn't going to make them release it any sooner. 
Do you know anything about coding? If not, then just wait.
It's like when people buy an Early access game and then complain that not everything works.
God what's one more week?

 Man….sometimes people want to vent. Let them do it. It’s frustrating. Yeah, you CAN play in 2d…but for people like me who don’t have a track IR anymore, it blows. Yeah, there are work arounds but they don’t work for everyone. It doesn’t matter whose fault it is, it frustrating that there has been a fix for over a week but we can’t get it. Maybe there’s a good reason but that doesn’t make it any less annoying.

if I’ve been looking forward to my 3-day weekend on a Florida beach for a year and when I get there, it rains all three days, I’m entitled to be frustrated and grumble. Doesn’t matter that it’s no one’s fault.

[dugite57]

It's a crying shame they are unable or worse unwilling to do a hot fix. I have spent too many hours getting DCS to run how I want it to run on my two PC's (one Q3 and one Q2) to risk hosing it by trying the various workarounds. Having disappointed customers is never good for any business, even if we are ignorable due low numbers (which I suspect is not correct as we're probably only the tip of the iceberg)

[II.JG1_Vonrd]

I've been following this since the issue began, mostly because it affects my squad mates / friends who use the Quest (one had just purchased his first VR, a Quest 3 and within a week or so was grounded by the Meta fiasco). Thankfully, it doesn't affect me and my new Pimax Crystal. It does give me pause and concern though.

In the future there are bound to be issues and some may break the game for some. With DCS no longer split between Beta and Stable it seems that there will no longer be Hotfixes. At least that's the way I read @BIGNEWY's posts regarding a fix. ALL fixes will have to wait until the next scheduled update (and as we have just seen, that schedule might be postponed when issues arise). I hope that I'm wrong in my interpretation of the events in this thread. I'm hoping that there will still be possibilities for hotfixes. After all, as we know "Stercus accidit" (I know, not a great Latin translation) and waiting possibly more than a month for a resolution to a problem is a bitter pill.

If it's true that consolidating DCS to just one entity eliminates quick hotfixes, I would much prefer to be in "Beta" for perpetuity.

[RedShield]

For me this solution worked, I was going crazy without being able to solve this problem!

[draconus]

3 hours ago, Mike_CK said:

Yeah, there are work arounds but they don’t work for everyone

Yeah, no. You keep saying that but I think you've just tried for 5 minutes and called it a day. Let us help you. You can go back to v62 files, you can run w/SteamVR - there are options. You're not forced to wait for a fix or play 2D. It's your choice.

2 hours ago, II.JG1_Vonrd said:

If it's true that consolidating DCS to just one entity eliminates quick hotfixes...

No, it does not mean that.

[BIGNEWY]

Folks please stick to the rules when posting on our forum, do not use profanity, treat each other with respect when posting. I have hidden some posts that break our rules. 

Sorry this issue is dragging on, but as mentioned already its not that we did not want to hot fix, it was not possible due to a much larger patch already in our testing system. 

The delay of that patch until the 10th of April is unfortunate but necessary. 

We have work arounds for the meta issue which many are using already, but we do understand not everyone likes to use work arounds, so can only apologies for the delay with the fix.

Thank you for your patience. 

 

[adam34aus]

5 hours ago, Shibiswag said:

Complaining about it isn't going to make them release it any sooner. 
Do you know anything about coding? If not, then just wait.
It's like when people buy an Early access game and then complain that not everything works.
God what's one more week?

One more week will make it almost 7 weeks. Not good enough

[GAR112358]

I feel a large part of people's frustration might be from the lack of official communication on the issue.

A news post of some sort from ED might have saved folks a lot of time and effort uninstalling, reinstalling head scratching etc (myself included), and at the very least would have shown some acknowledgment of the issues people are experiencing.

I think most of us understand that software compatibility can have issues from time to time, especially when updates occur to third party software. And as a professional pilot myself I can say that DCS is an absolutely incredible sim, which ED should be congratulated for! Maybe just give your comms department a nudge on this one....

[adam34aus]

13 hours ago, t1mb0b said:

BIGNEWY has a thick skin and I'm sure he thinks the same as any sane person does.

Meta brought out a software update and it broke everything, how is that EDs problem?

How can ED possibly tell the future and what Meta are going to do next, this is a Meta issue, get real.

Apply the workaround and move on.

The issue is it took 7 weeks to fix it. Never in my life have I heard of a game taking that long to fix a issue just to be able to play. Issue started Feb 24th and fix released April 10th. Wouldn't be surprised if they extend it again.  I purchased new computer, VR headset game controllers and game modules, cost in the multiple thousands just to play this game on VR. What a joke!

[BIGNEWY]

22 minutes ago, GAR112358 said:

I feel a large part of people's frustration might be from the lack of official communication on the issue.

A news post of some sort from ED might have saved folks a lot of time and effort uninstalling, reinstalling head scratching etc (myself included), and at the very least would have shown some acknowledgment of the issues people are experiencing.

I think most of us understand that software compatibility can have issues from time to time, especially when updates occur to third party software. And as a professional pilot myself I can say that DCS is an absolutely incredible sim, which ED should be congratulated for! Maybe just give your comms department a nudge on this one....

I have posted in many threads here on the forum about the issue, we are also discussing it in our discord, I dont see how it is lack of official communication, I appreciate the work arounds may seem complex. But I have kept you all up to date with what is going on. 

edit: 

Again, please keep to the forum rules, no profanity and keep it constructive. 

I have again removed some posts that break our rules here. 

[Shibiswag]

5 hours ago, Mike_CK said:

 Man….sometimes people want to vent. Let them do it. It’s frustrating. Yeah, you CAN play in 2d…but for people like me who don’t have a track IR anymore, it blows. Yeah, there are work arounds but they don’t work for everyone. It doesn’t matter whose fault it is, it frustrating that there has been a fix for over a week but we can’t get it. Maybe there’s a good reason but that doesn’t make it any less annoying.

if I’ve been looking forward to my 3-day weekend on a Florida beach for a year and when I get there, it rains all three days, I’m entitled to be frustrated and grumble. Doesn’t matter that it’s no one’s fault.

You don't need a trackIR. Just go buy a cheap 15-20$ webcam if and use Opentrack + Aitrack. No need for LED or anything.
Well, I'm sorry but their venting sounds like that of a spoiled child that is crying that they can't get what they want when they want it.
There is a good reason, it's because for #1, they have to coordinate with Meta to get the underlying problem fixed.
#2, Coding takes a very long time, it's not like they can go into one line and change something and than go okay fixed.
That's what a lot of people fail to understand who want to complain but don't know how programming. works.
I myself don't know that much about it, but having done some I can tell you it's not as easy as they think it is.
#3. They are releasing it with a bigger patch, which means everything has to work inside and out.
If people don't want to play or find an alternative to play, or just play something else until it's released than yeah that's on them.
I just don't find coming on and crying is going to do anything to resolve it, seems just very immature childish behavior.
If people are that annoyed and that impatient. Then this is the last place they should come to "vent"
 

 

40 minutes ago, adam34aus said:

One more week will make it almost 7 weeks. Not good enough

Then play in 2D or go play something else.
You guys can complain all you want it's not going to make it come any faster.

[Shibiswag]

49 minutes ago, GAR112358 said:

I feel a large part of people's frustration might be from the lack of official communication on the issue.

A news post of some sort from ED might have saved folks a lot of time and effort uninstalling, reinstalling head scratching etc (myself included), and at the very least would have shown some acknowledgment of the issues people are experiencing.

I think most of us understand that software compatibility can have issues from time to time, especially when updates occur to third party software. And as a professional pilot myself I can say that DCS is an absolutely incredible sim, which ED should be congratulated for! Maybe just give your comms department a nudge on this one....

Idk what you mean by lack of official communication.
BIGNEWY has been posting in several places regarding this plus on the discord as well as several times in this thread.
There has been no lack of communication whatsoever.

[BIGNEWY]

Just to add so there is no room for misinterpretation, we understand the situation is not ideal and if we could have handled it any different we would have. 

The patch is now planned for the 10th of April and I can only apologies again for the inconvenience  

Thank you to everyone who has provided work arounds while we wait for the fix. 

[-Sledgehammer-]

vor 3 Stunden schrieb RedShield:

For me this solution worked, I was going crazy without being able to solve this problem!

it works! 

i refused to do this until now (bc im not really the computer guy, i messed up many times doin stuff like this). it‘s quite easy. you need to stop the oculus service first. after the install of the files i got an error code. then restarted computer, dcs started but only in 2d, the i realzed that the runtime in oculus was changed to vdxr (virtual desktop i tried earlier), changed that and then it ran like a charm. t

hank you so much. so i can play again.