DCS: Afghanistan Announcement

[Sandman1330]

@NineLine Any info on what timeframe this map will represent? 80s, early 2000s, late 2010s?

[skywalker22]

4 hours ago, Sandman1330 said:

@NineLine Any info on what timeframe this map will represent? 80s, early 2000s, late 2010s?

https://stormbirds.blog/2024/03/22/dcs-world-updates-focus-on-mig-29-afghanistan-map/

[EagleEye.DCS]

regarding on the newsletter, here is the airbases listed that will available in EA

[Minsky]

11 hours ago, Sandman1330 said:

@NineLine Any info on what timeframe this map will represent? 80s, early 2000s, late 2010s?

2008-2010 for the airbases:

 

[PunchOut]

such a joke.  I standby what I said before BN deleted the post and gave me warning points.

ED screwed up when they said in the 2024 and Beyond video that Halfghanistan would be released in 2024.  So they split the map up into parts so they could release the *some* of it in order to meet their announcement. 
 

Paying customers are getting fed up with this.
No legitimate competition for a modern combat simulator is really starting to show it's true colors.

 

Do better.

[intruder11]

This is all very confusing

[Temetre]

Tbh theres more talk around explaining the weird sales models than there is selling the map to us. 

Like, why is this map 70 bucks worth, when eg Syria was 50? Why should we buy another map with very similar terrain to the other ones? Tell us why the map is worth buying, besides the very basic marketing blips.

The map certainly looks cool, come on ED, sell us the idea of the map and why your approach is special.

 

Splitting the maps up like this also seems nedlessly complicated, as indicated by the amount of questions it creates; even the long FAQ doesnt exaplain everything.

Theres now gonna be 7 different combinations of the 3 map versions; and compatability of missions/campaigns/servers will be kind of a struggle, since terrain quality will affect visibility even in BFM, let alone anything ground based. When I dogfight using the low quality version, will just be able to dive into where cities would be, and the high quality players seems me warping through buildings?

Edited March 28, 2024 by Temetre

[ddc196]

Ordered. Looking forward to exploring some new territory. Thanks ED!

[Viper ZA]

I may have missed it, but when is the first part release date for early access. Maybe I can hold off from buying this month.

[rob10]

1 hour ago, PunchOut said:

ED screwed up when they said in the 2024 and Beyond video that Halfghanistan would be released in 2024.  So they split the map up into parts so they could release the *some* of it in order to meet their announcement.

Last I checked June is still 2024.  And assuming they hit their 3 month *target* release it will be fully released by the end of 2024.  Personally I'll take the split maps and get access to it 6 months sooner than waiting until December for the whole thing.

Just now, Viper ZA said:

I may have missed it, but when is the first part release date for early access. Maybe I can hold off from buying this month.

According to the tail end of the trailer, release of first section is June.

Edited March 28, 2024 by rob10

[addman]

Yaay! It's pre-order time again! No thank you!

[DD_fruitbat]

On 3/26/2024 at 10:58 PM, Thump said:

 

You're free to buy it, enjoy it, and play with the toys that they give you.  I would put money on far more people being familiar with Bagram, Kabul, Jalalabad, Mazar E Sharif, FOB Shank, & the Khost bowl to include the borders along Pakistan than what is in the West, hence my comment.  Not gunna buy it in this state....pretty simple.

 

Edit: You are now how the excellent opportunity to pay for Afghanistan 3 times since apparently the country is fractured into West, East, & North.....

 

You mean far more Americans, not far more people. Amazingly, not all people are Americans, but I do think you are correct with your presumption that Americans would be more familiar with those areas (which are coming later on anyway).

And no, I'll be buying it once and getting all three parts in one map. Because I read and understood the map announcement. East first in high detail, other areas to follow in high detail.

Edited March 28, 2024 by DD_fruitbat

[durka-durka]

I can't wait to see what this thing looks like with clouds.  Can you imagine pushing up in a helo through dense fog to attack a mountain top above the cloud layer?

[shagrat]

Am 26.3.2024 um 23:58 schrieb Thump:

  I would put money on far more people being familiar with Bagram, Kabul, Jalalabad, Mazar E Sharif, FOB Shank, & the Khost bowl to include the borders along Pakistan than what is in the West, hence my comment.  Not gunna buy it in this state....pretty simple.

 

My bet would be at least any DCS rotor head, read Ed Macy, Paul "Bommer" Grahame, Damien Lewis about the UK Apaches in Helmand. Plenty more about Operation Medusa (Kandahar area, birth place of the Taliban movement) and all familiar with places like KAF, Camp Bastion, Lashkar Gah, Now Zad, Nad Ali, the Kajaki dam, the town of Gereshk, Jugroom fort or Spin Boldak...

[durka-durka]

1 hour ago, shagrat said:

My bet would be at least any DCS rotor head, read Ed Macy, Paul "Bommer" Grahame, Damien Lewis about the UK Apaches in Helmand. Plenty more about Operation Medusa (Kandahar area, birth place of the Taliban movement) and all familiar with places like KAF, Camp Bastion, Lashkar Gah, Now Zad, Nad Ali, the Kajaki dam, the town of Gereshk, Jugroom fort or Spin Boldak...

I don't know anything about Afghanistan, only that I'm hyped to fly in the mountains, and I'm really looking forward to trying to pronounce all those names you put up.

[Thump]

1 hour ago, shagrat said:

My bet would be at least any DCS rotor head, read Ed Macy, Paul "Bommer" Grahame, Damien Lewis about the UK Apaches in Helmand. Plenty more about Operation Medusa (Kandahar area, birth place of the Taliban movement) and all familiar with places like KAF, Camp Bastion, Lashkar Gah, Now Zad, Nad Ali, the Kajaki dam, the town of Gereshk, Jugroom fort or Spin Boldak...

Doubt.  You'd might get people knowing Helmand/Bastion/Lash (which are right next to each other) and KAF but I'd put money on damn near everyone being able to remember Kabul over any one of those locations.....but you can justify their decision all ya want.

4 minutes ago, durka-durka said:

I don't know anything about Afghanistan, only that I'm hyped to fly in the mountains, and I'm really looking forward to trying to pronounce all those names you put up.

You're gunna need to wait a few years....all those mountains are in the Northeast.  You know, the place they teased but didn't include in this release.

[Thump]

3 hours ago, DD_fruitbat said:

You mean far more Americans, not far more people. Amazingly, not all people are Americans, but I do think you are correct with your presumption that Americans would be more familiar with those areas (which are coming later on anyway).

And no, I'll be buying it once and getting all three parts in one map. Because I read and understood the map announcement. East first in high detail, other areas to follow in high detail.

 

You read the announcement and missed that the SOUTHWEST of the map is the most complete and will be sold first at at the highest detail?  Ya might want to get the cliffnotes version next time. 

[shagrat]

vor 6 Minuten schrieb Thump:

You're gunna need to wait a few years....all those mountains are in the Northeast.  You know, the place they teased but didn't include in this release.

Actually the Hindukush stretches through most of central Afghanistan including the southwest. Not the 7000m peaks, but 3000-4000m high mountains that are still challenging to cross in weather, nonetheless.

[Thump]

1 minute ago, shagrat said:

Actually the Hindukush stretches through most of central Afghanistan including the southwest. Not the 7000m peaks, but 3000-4000m high mountains that are still challenging to cross in weather, nonetheless.

So is a 300m hill in the bad weather.  What's your point?

[shagrat]

vor 4 Minuten schrieb Thump:

You read the announcement and missed that the SOUTHWEST of the map is the most complete and will be sold first at at the highest detail?  Ya might want to get the cliffnotes version next time. 

There are to products on pre-order sale in the Store:

DCS: Southwest Afghanistan for about $23 discounted

DCS: Afghanistan for about $50 discounted.

The second is the complete map (in EA only the detailed part). If you bought the DCS: Southwest Afghanistan you will need to purchase East and North separately... Adding up to more than $50.

[Thump]

4 minutes ago, shagrat said:

There are to products on pre-order sale in the Store:

DCS: Southwest Afghanistan for about $23 discounted

DCS: Afghanistan for about $50 discounted.

The second is the complete map (in EA only the detailed part). If you bought the DCS: Southwest Afghanistan you will need to purchase East and North separately... Adding up to more than $50.

Why was I quoted in this?  I get the "master genius plan" baked up by ED.....

Edited March 29, 2024 by Thump

[shagrat]

Gerade eben schrieb Thump:

So is a 300m hill in the bad weather.  What's your point?

Forget it, your right... Afghanistan only really consists of Kunar, Nuristan, Tangi valley and Kabul. All else is flat and boring.

[Thump]

5 minutes ago, shagrat said:

Forget it, your right... Afghanistan only really consists of Kunar, Nuristan, Tangi valley and Kabul. All else is flat and boring.

Not the point I was making in that post...

Edited March 29, 2024 by Thump

[shagrat]

vor 2 Minuten schrieb Thump:

Why was I quoted in this?  I get the "master genius plan" baked up by ED.....

Yeah, sorry, wrong quote.

Gerade eben schrieb Thump:

Not my point....l

The Hindukush is extending through nearly all Afghanistan, and the peaks to the west still rise to 3,000 m to 4,000 m, near central Afghanistan to 5,000 m. It's quite mountainous.

The extreme high peaks are near the Pakistani border, but that doesn't make the rest of the Hindukush mountain range some hills.

[Thump]

28 minutes ago, shagrat said:

Yeah, sorry, wrong quote.

The Hindukush is extending through nearly all Afghanistan, and the peaks to the west still rise to 3,000 m to 4,000 m, near central Afghanistan to 5,000 m. It's quite mountainous.

The extreme high peaks are near the Pakistani border, but that doesn't make the rest of the Hindukush mountain range some hills.

Still not my point.  Ground, whether at 1 foot elevation or 25,000, is dangerous in any significant weather (of which you made a very specific point). 

Edited March 29, 2024 by Thump
Modified to rescind counter point after rereading post