now in early access DCS: CH-47F Pre-purchase

[Thump]

9 minutes ago, stburr91 said:

 

There's nothing for me to get over, I wasn't going to buy any of the new content, so the delay doesn't really matter to me personally. 

One delay isn't a problem, because as you say, that's the nature of software development, but when it keeps happening, along with the other things going on, it has an effect. The reviews on Steam reflect the general feelings about how things have been going recently...so yes, I think it's time for some adjustments. 

ED can do no wrong (or improve) apparently.

[freehand]

17 minutes ago, stburr91 said:

 

There's nothing for me to get over, I wasn't going to buy any of the new content, so the delay doesn't really matter to me personally. 

So why are you here ? 

Edited July 4, 2024 by freehand

[Hammer1-1]

3 minutes ago, Thump said:

ED can do no wrong (or improve) apparently.

You know, the door is right there and nobody stopping you from walking, right? If ED cant do anything right by your standards, the doors that way.

[stburr91]

11 minutes ago, Hammer1-1 said:

you do understand that there are over 30 modules that need to get updated, right?  you expect them ALL to conform the first time around EVERY TIME AROUND? Again, its something you're going to have to get over, its not just ED causing the delays. Thats not just counting aircraft, thats including terrain, campaigns, and assets packs. Count them in, 60+ items need addressed.

 

 

Strange, I acknowledged the difficulties of updating a game a complex as this one, heck, you even quoted that post. 

If you aren't going to bother to read my posts, and then reply with something like, "get over it", then please do not reply me. 

Thank you.  

6 minutes ago, freehand said:

So why are you here ? 

 

 

I'm discussing DCS?

If you don't mind, please do not hijack the forum to discuss me, Thanks

 

 

 

I think people are getting too defensive, and taking the discussion of these issues personally. Someone has to be the adult, so I'll move on so this doesn't keep going. 

Edited July 4, 2024 by stburr91

[freehand]

6 minutes ago, stburr91 said:

I'm discussing DCS?

If you don't mind, please do not hijack the forum to discuss me, Thanks

The thread is about the pre purchase why not create a new thread about your concerns regarding ED.  

Edited July 4, 2024 by freehand

[Hammer1-1]

8 minutes ago, stburr91 said:

 

Strange, I acknowledged the difficulties of updating a game a complex as this one, heck, you even quoted that post. 

If you aren't going to bother to read my posts, and then reply with something like, "get over it", then please do not reply me. 

Thank you. 

 

I merely pointed out that its not just ED that causes the delays, and yes you STILL need to get over yourself. Theres nothing to correct or worth correcting because someones feelings got hurt by the delays here and there.

[MicroShket]

6 часов назад, Chinooklad сказал:

Critical errors detected 10 seconds before launch

Chizh has replied that ED prepared many new things for upcoming update and it brings bad bugs. ED is working on it right now. 

Maybe some men with no-life are insulted by the computer game delays, but I'm happy to see that they are not in the majority. 

[Thump]

33 minutes ago, Hammer1-1 said:

You know, the door is right there and nobody stopping you from walking, right? If ED cant do anything right by your standards, the doors that way.

Calm your tits. I have praised them when they've done right.  It's a difference between having standards and not.

[Hammer1-1]

7 minutes ago, Thump said:

Calm your tits. I have praised them when they've done right.  It's a difference between having standards and not.

You ever stop to think that maybe your expectations are a little TOO high? Maybe you should calm YOUR tits, boy. After all, its not like there are over 100 reasons why these things get delayed for no good reason, and your high expectations have screwed ED into a hotfix the next week.

Edited July 4, 2024 by Hammer1-1

[Thump]

33 minutes ago, Hammer1-1 said:

You ever stop to think that maybe your expectations are a little TOO high? Maybe you should calm YOUR tits, boy. After all, its not like there are over 100 reasons why these things get delayed for no good reason, and your high expectations have screwed ED into a hotfix the next week.

 

Back to the topic at hand....

 

The delay is simply a matter of course due to the rushed nature of the module's release.  Is it good that they delayed it,  yes.  Should it have unfolded in this manner, no.  Much like the Viper's impact on the Hornet prior to its release, the community could see the warning signs before the company (was willing to publically admit).  This speaks to a core issue.

Edited July 4, 2024 by Thump

[Gunnar81]

8 hours ago, BIGNEWY said:

Understood, but again the delay is necessary, this also gives us more time for tutorial videos

thank you  

Much obliged, Wags and the team always do a great job with these. Helps get off the ground quicker than fanning through the whole manual in an evening!

[Hiob]

12 hours ago, stburr91 said:

 

No, because I assume your conspiracy theory about new members has something to do with 'the dispute".

I was just pointing out the cause of the "bad energy" so we can put the conspiracy theories aside.  

Your assumption is wrong.

The wave of fresh accounts that do nothing but complain and pointing fingers predates the Razbam-issue. And in case it wasn't obvious - of course I didn't mean EVERY new account.

Edited July 5, 2024 by Hiob

[Chinooklad]

On 7/3/2024 at 6:35 PM, LuseKofte said:

With this little faith in a product and developer , I am kind of amazed you buy anything. 
Anyway what is the problem not installing it if you do not want to fly it in state it is in now. 
And meantime others can test it out and give them a chance. I do agree in many complaints here, I do understand the frustration. But it kind of not helping. ED is aware of this. Chinook is a legend, just as much as the Huey. The hype is huge and anticipation high among many. Yes indeed, this would have been better off saying before Christmas last year that the chinook will be delayed to end of this year in a better equipped state. But even then not finished. 
As for now I look forward to its arrival

My reasons for puchase of Chinook are very obvious. I love the airframe and I want DCS to pivot towards the logistical aspect of warfare more, as I am deeply enthusiastic about it. But obviously enough, I want them to do it properly and not rush it, which they were up to this point (And probably still might) The delay is a good sign and I can only hope that it's a somewhat lengthy delay. I don't want them to crunch the devs in the next few weeks and instead give them the time they need to establish a much more acceptable initial release bar. I just really don't buy the 'EA is not for everyone' mantra. If that was so and ED actively encouraged users to not buy EA modules, they would go under in a year. I want to support ED in this new direction they wish to take and I've done so with my wallet, but that comes with expectation of transparency, effort and honesty. Not non chalantness, dismissal and dishonesty. Give it to us when Chinook can operate in all enviornments properly, not when a helicopter that is meant to fly in both night and day can only do one. That is a barebone expectation. I'll welcome a delay of even a whole year if that means we got more features which are very much needed for a much more well rounded experience. Simple as. 

[MAXsenna]

My reasons for puchase of Chinook are very obvious. I love the airframe and I want DCS to pivot towards the logistical aspect of warfare more, as I am deeply enthusiastic about it. But obviously enough, I want them to do it properly and not rush it, which they were up to this point (And probably still might) The delay is a good sign and I can only hope that it's a somewhat lengthy delay. I don't want them to crunch the devs in the next few weeks and instead give them the time they need to establish a much more acceptable initial release bar. I just really don't buy the 'EA is not for everyone' mantra. If that was so and ED actively encouraged users to not buy EA modules, they would go under in a year. I want to support ED in this new direction they wish to take and I've done so with my wallet, but that comes with expectation of transparency, effort and honesty. Not non chalantness, dismissal and dishonesty. Give it to us when Chinook can operate in all enviornments properly, not when a helicopter that is meant to fly in both night and day can only do one. That is a barebone expectation. I'll welcome a delay of even a whole year if that means we got more features which are very much needed for a much more well rounded experience. Simple as. 

That's fine, and you are entitled to your opinion, while I am entitled to mine. I don't mind it's delayed. It's probably for the best if there were issues. But I do want it as soon as possible, because I want to learn to fly it. "Combat", logistics, night flying etc. are not priorities for me, at the moment. I do want them down the line. To be honest. What I would like the most is AAR, but it's not clear to me, if we'll get that with this version or not.
Enjoy your weekend, cheers!

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[Chinooklad]

20 minutes ago, MAXsenna said:

To be honest. What I would like the most is AAR, but it's not clear to me, if we'll get that with this version or not.

Chances are close to none. There are two options, both of which are very unlikely. 1) They'd have to make the 160th SOAR variant, Either E or G. Considering that avionic and electronic makeup of these airframes are still highly classified, it's out of the question. 2) German Luftwaffe has ordered CH47F Block IIs that will have the AAR capability (The only Non-US operated CH47 to have such a capability) but they are yet to be delivered and made. 

Edited July 5, 2024 by Chinooklad

[MAXsenna]

Chances are close to none. There are two options, both of which are very unlikely. 1) They'd have to make the 160th SOAR variant, Either E or G. Considering that avionic and electronic makeup of these airframes are still highly classified, it's out of the question. 2) German Luftwaffe has ordered CH47F Block IIs that will have the AAR capability (The only Non-US operated CH47 to have such a capability) but they are yet to be delivered and made. 

Thanks!

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[MicroShket]

1 час назад, Chinooklad сказал:

SOAR variant, Either E or G

It could be MH-47D from early 1990th. Anyway it doesn't matter, because it's an Italian CH-47F. 

1 час назад, Chinooklad сказал:

I'll welcome a delay of even a whole year if that means we got more features

But you just can wait and not touch it during the year. No Hook November. While others will learn and master the module.

[Beirut]

5 hours ago, MAXsenna said:

That's fine, and you are entitled to your opinion, while I am entitled to mine. I don't mind it's delayed. It's probably for the best if there were issues. But I do want it as soon as possible, because I want to learn to fly it. "Combat", logistics, night flying etc. are not priorities for me, at the moment. I do want them down the line. To be honest. What I would like the most is AAR, but it's not clear to me, if we'll get that with this version or not.
Enjoy your weekend, cheers!

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I insist that upon release it have forward and rear rotor blades and can achieve flight.

 

if that's asking too much, let me know. I don't want to come off as pushy. 

[MAXsenna]

 
I insist that upon release it have forward and rear rotor blades and can achieve flight.
 
if that's asking too much, let me know. I don't want to come off as pushy. 

Pretty much my prerequisities as well!

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[Hatman335]

11 hours ago, MicroShket said:

But you just can wait and not touch it during the year. No Hook November. While others will learn and master the module.

They certainly won't 'master' the module since it's not coming with the DAFCS functions enabled, which are fundamental in actually utilizing the aircraft in a tactical (read, any DCS mission) environment. Real pilots of course train to fly with DAFCS off, but that's a contingency, not the norm. You'll 'master' operating in at a degraded capacity, while not taking advantage of its avionics, not having the ability to conduct a fundamental part of the mission set (night flying) and not learning the way that the normal flight control system works. That's very far from 'mastering' the module.

 

11 hours ago, MicroShket said:

Italian CH-47F. 

No, it's explicitly an American CH-47F. ED flat out stated on numerous occasions that it's not an Italian variant.

[MicroShket]

4 минуты назад, Hatman335 сказал:

That's very far from 'mastering' the module.

It doesn't matter anything in case of computer game. You still can learn the module and fly it. Even without DAFCS. 

6 минут назад, Hatman335 сказал:

ED flat out stated on numerous occasions that it's not an Italian variant.

My mistake. 

[MAXsenna]

9 minutes ago, Hatman335 said:

They certainly won't 'master' the module since it's not coming with the DAFCS functions enabled,

I smell a challenge!

[Hotdognz]

With the EA features coming with it, it shouldn't take much longer than 30 mins to get it flying as with most DCS helos, the mastering will come when the proper Chinook features arrive and not just a cockpit and FM, until then it will be very basic fun relaying on 3rd part CTLD scripts in servers it it works with them when its released.

 I purchased EA dont care about the delay but have already told my self its going to get pretty boring pretty quick with its feature set at EA.

 

[Chinooklad]

16 hours ago, MicroShket said:

But you just can wait and not touch it during the year. No Hook November. While others will learn and master the module.

You should really put an asteriks to year*. Don't kid yoruself, CH47 will go waaaaay down in the feature cue as ED inveitably moves onto the next, much hotter and less nieche module. It is in interest of every CH47 customer to demand more features from day one, because I assure you, we'll be waiting a very, very long time for them. MI8 multicrew, a feature promised at the end of open beta and 'full release' only took them 10 years to deliver while they moved on to completely different things. You're joking if you think we'll get all of those features within the next 5 years, unless they put in the effort now and deliver more of them before day one release. 

[LuseKofte]

12 hours ago, Beirut said:

 

I insist that upon release it have forward and rear rotor blades and can achieve flight.

 

if that's asking too much, let me know. I don't want to come off as pushy. 

Yeah. That is my take on it too. Bignewy said it was a blast flying and hauling cargo with. 
Not having a complete system means it will not work as it should. But an incognito trim system make it flyable. This is pretty much what I expected in the first place. 
 

 

4 hours ago, Hatman335 said:

DAFCS

System was a previously Chinook pilot making me aware of not many weeks ago. I knew there was a lot I did not know about this chopper. I can imagine how it flys but have no idea about how controls work. 
It is delayed, it is not complete and no matter how anyone feel about these facts it do not matter. It is what it is

8 minutes ago, Chinooklad said:

You should really put an asteriks to year*. Don't kid yoruself, CH47 will go waaaaay down in the feature cue as ED inveitably moves onto the next, much hotter and less nieche module. It is in interest of every CH47 customer to demand more features from day one, because I assure you, we'll be waiting a very, very long time for them. MI8 multicrew, a feature promised at the end of open beta and 'full release' only took them 10 years to deliver while they moved on to completely different things. You're joking if you think we'll get all of those features within the next 5 years, unless they put in the effort now and deliver more of them before day one release. 

This doomsday speech is just as much assumptions as anything else. I assume you are just as  entitled to assume as I am.